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Old Posted Jul 12, 2018, 1:05 AM
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Meanwhile over in the West End there is this project to fill in the parking lot behind the current tower:


And finally this proposal to replace the Davie Village Community Garden:



That area will have some pretty tall towers once St. Paul's is redeveloped. Plus the current site of the Esso. Might need wider sidewalks with all the additional people moving into the area.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2018, 6:57 PM
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Not sure about that broughton one. They should just tear down the old existing building and build something in the 10 fsr range
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2018, 8:06 PM
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it means it will be built, in the future, at some point.

its not like this city is hard up for parks. and in the mean time the City makes money from people parking on it. at this rate the park will pay for itself, i say leave it as a parking lot until then!
It's a rundown gravel lot right now, and an absolute eyesore in the centre of town. This City can't seem to be efficiently run and maintained.

If they really don't have funds, put in something simple, like maybe a patch of grass? Doesn't the City have millions of dollars from compulsory developer's contributions? Where do those funds go to?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2018, 2:14 AM
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It's a rundown gravel lot right now, and an absolute eyesore in the centre of town. This City can't seem to be efficiently run and maintained.

If they really don't have funds, put in something simple, like maybe a patch of grass? Doesn't the City have millions of dollars from compulsory developer's contributions? Where do those funds go to?
why make a muddy grass patch that no one will use and will then be trampled when they can leave it a parking lot, spend 0 money on it, and make money on it?

seems like a no brainier to me.

also, it is the Vancouver Park Board that builds the parks and maintains them, not the City of Vancouver.

and lets face it, the city isn't exactly hard-up on park space. we are hard-up on pools, though.
     
     
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Rezoning of 750 Pacific Boulevard

The rezoning of the old Plaza of Nations lot, 750 Pacific Boulevard, passed council last night with a unanimous vote - only Councillor Jang was not present.

They didn't really focus very much on affordability, Brent Toderian came and spoke out against the project, and the general discussion focused on the community amenities, form, function, and public access to privately owned POP.

Below are my speaking notes from the meeting, where I came to speak, and offer my conditional support - though the conditions are pretty vague, I was writing the last of this as I was sitting in the chamber.

To start, I'd like to thank Council for the opportunity, as perfunctory as it may be, to offer up our voices when significant decisions such as these arise.

So, my opinion requires a bit of a layup – so I will try to speak as quickly and efficiently as I can.

This proposal, which requires today's rezoning, is brought forward by Canadian Metropolitan Properties Corp, which is a privately held company, with – as reported by the Internets - revenue of 3 million, 8 employees, and it is categorized under Real Property Subdividers and Developers, Cemetery Lots Only - which I found somewhat amusing.

The property, which we discussing here today, was purchased by Canadian Metropolitan from Concord Pacific in 1990 for around 40 million dollars – adjusted for inflation that's about 68 million.
The property, estimated by the Vancouver Sun in 2016 to be around worth 500 million, has increased in value since purchase by nearly 635%.

This corporation belongs to Mr. Oei Hong Leong, of Hong Kong, who has a net worth over 1.2 Billion Dollars - which would imply that he has nearly half his total wealth tied up in this property.

Over the past twenty eight years, the lot has remained mostly vacant, notwithstanding whatever the Edgewater might have been up to, and there was a lengthy court battle between Concord Pacific and Canadian Metropolitan Properties – hilarity ensued.

So with that being said – what is being proposed, to secure this rezoning?

Well, we'll be tripling the build-able sq.footage from nearly 700K to over 2 million.

The details? It will 1.6 million of residential, 350K of Commercial/Office and just over 100K of community space.

So that means:

5 % to Community Use
17% to Commercial/Office Uses (Which includes a hotel)
78% (an overwhelming majority – as it should be) to Residential Uses

So of the community uses – it's broken into three parts.

Child Care: 11K sq.ft.
Ice Arena: 33K sq.ft.
Community Centre: 65K sq.ft.

So as far as I can understand - only 70% goes to actual program space that will utilized by the public full-time.

The other 30% goes to the ice rink, a slightly larger replication of the one at Robson Square, and it will apparently be used by the Canucks for practice.
Are the Canucks, considering they have a net worth of over 740 millon dollars, net revenues of 156 million dollars, and a tidy annual profit of 22 million dollars, going to contributing anything to the construction of the practice rink - surely, I would hope they are.

So – if we are going to look at the potential per unit cost in the development, I did some rough calculations though there are variables that I am unable to ascertain.

We start with the land – worth 500 million (for now, as the rezoning will unavoidably increase its value) + 87 million for the community amenities, or is that 100 million (the documents are worded vaguely?) divided by 1700-2000 units quoted on the signage around the site in False Creek, which was not mentioned in the documents for this rezoning (besides the social housing) add on top the 100-300 million in construction costs, taxes, carbon taxes, fees, fines, and the new regulations concerning the property market potentially being brought in by Victoria, and most importantly the profit motive – they need to make some money at the end of the day.

In addition to these factors, we need only look to yesterdays decision to bring in a new infrastructure development levy, which I wholeheartedly support, to see that we are living in an environment where nearly everything pushes the costs higher – and nearly nothing is pushing them down.

So if we take my guesswork into consideration on the low end – with units totals in the 1700-2000 range we are looking at a per unit average of 700 K – give or take.
And if Canadian Metropolitan decides to reduce the number of units from that target, the price climbs exponentially towards 1 million dollars per unit on average.

I'll point out the comments one of Tuesday's speakers - the median income in the city of Vancouver is under 70K and the average home price hovers around 1.2 million dollars.
I'd also like the to point out comments made by Councillor Reimer that quoted the average Vancouver income, I'm not sure if its pre-tax or take home, as hovering around 97 thousand dollars.
The problem with averages is that high-income earners have a tendency to drag the 'average' away from the reality of the situation – which, if we look at the bigger picture, which is the province itself, is that 48% of the people in British Columbia make less than 30K a year.

Additionally, if we are to look at this sort activity regarding development in this city.
I'd like to point something that I found to be intriguing about this project. It seems, according to the Vancouver Sun, that Canadian Metropolitan Development Corp. made a 10K
donation to the local MLA, the Honourable Sam Sullivan, during his BC Liberal Leadership campaign.
I just think its important that we know this, as it's part of making an informed decision.

So – what's my point here?

The number of units is CRUCIAL to the success of this project – it's on the waterfront, it's centrally located, it's a new build in an ossified and overheated real estate market – this isn't the recipe for affordable housing by any means.

So my advice to council, is that as this proposal works its way through the process we need to make this land work for the city, not for the solely for developers – for its citizens, not some random investment vehicle that belongs to wealthy man who literally lives in another world.

In a situation such this, where our hands are tied by the powers that be, both junior and senior, we need to advocate tirelessly for the people of this city.

We need to the bend the curve to our benefit.

So, to conclude – I support this rezoning, but my support is contingent on three conditions.

Make it as affordable as possible, the number of units are key factor in this.
Make it look nice, without blowing the budget.
Make it a community asset, see if we can find ways to improve the current offer for the average citizen.

Thank you.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2018, 9:06 PM
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And finally this proposal to replace the Davie Village Community Garden:

Thanks for the heads up! A bit of site history and context.


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Once again, Darren and I owe the Vancouver’s section of Skyscraperpage.com for making us aware of another upcoming pre-application open house.

Having served as the location of the Davie Village Community Garden for almost 10 years, we doubt many people remember this site was actually home to a Shell Gas Station and strip mall roughly 12 years ago. When the developer first purchased the property, their intent was to move forward with a building that would have met the guidelines of the day.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 4:10 AM
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 9:34 PM
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why make a muddy grass patch that no one will use and will then be trampled when they can leave it a parking lot, spend 0 money on it, and make money on it?

seems like a no brainier to me.

also, it is the Vancouver Park Board that builds the parks and maintains them, not the City of Vancouver.

and lets face it, the city isn't exactly hard-up on park space. we are hard-up on pools, though.
Is that so?

Yet the City of Vancouver have bylaws that force developers to turn empty lots waiting for development into community gardens, or neighbourhood parks, paved parking lots, etc. Hypocrites, the whole bunch of them.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 10:29 PM
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Is that so?

Yet the City of Vancouver have bylaws that force developers to turn empty lots waiting for development into community gardens, or neighbourhood parks, paved parking lots, etc. Hypocrites, the whole bunch of them.
Giustra lobbied for that By-law.

The developer benefit behind it is the massively reduced property taxes. Who wouldn't take a 75% cut on property taxes by spending $5,000 on park benches and sod?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 10:47 PM
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Giustra lobbied for that By-law.

The developer benefit behind it is the massively reduced property taxes. Who wouldn't take a 75% cut on property taxes by spending $5,000 on park benches and sod?
We are talking about how Vancouver should take responsibility about making their own properties look presentable or even useful, and not about how developers benefit from converting their lots into temporary parks.

The City wants owners to make their lots look good and maintain them. With such bylaws enacted, the least the City can do is to make their own lots look decent too. But nooooo.


Bylaw asking owners to remove weed and garbage:
https://bylaws.vancouver.ca/4548c.PDF

City Lot: Unsightly Gravel parking:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2789667,-...rtDXPqQFJ0SPyCeEPAL5A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

City Lot: Overgrown with brush and weed:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2747327,-...Ve4aBihVaQgydZWbT5Naw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

City Lot: Unkempt with garbage:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2755012,-...My83qumVxu2PEhBw_6YVw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

City Lot: Uncut lawn and unkempt landscaping:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.2728531,-...1O_KdfBb9rxe4RrflPmAA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Rather third world city, wouldn't you say?

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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 1:18 AM
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looks fine to me, not even messy or over grown; would not call it unsightly. i would call it a source of revenue other than taxes.

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slightly over grown, but the greenery makes it look nicer as that was an industrial area and until it is developed into over priced condos for the Chinese, i would rather see the greenery; plus added bonus of cooling off the area in the summer since plants are very good for that.

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not exactly unkempt, but there is some garabge yes. but if you report it to the City, they will clean it up. the City doesnt send cleaners out 24/7. so just report it, and it will be cleaned up. i suggest the VanConnect app.

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that is over reaching, and you should know that. there are abandoned houses in Shaughnessy with more garbage and longer grass then any of these city examples.

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Rather third world city, wouldn't you say?
if you think that, you need to travel more. i suggest you google some 3rd world countries and see what the 3rd world truly is.
     
     
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haha, the small town in the middle of nowhere in northern alberta has strict town bylaws and they will send someone with a ruler to measure the length of your grass on your lawn and fine you if its too long and not cut within 24 hours i think, its pretty funny
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Tree protection has gone up now on the plaza on the Georgia Street side.



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it would be great if they filled in that space
     
     
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Yet the City of Vancouver have bylaws that force developers to turn empty lots waiting for development into community gardens, or neighbourhood parks, paved parking lots, etc. Hypocrites, the whole bunch of them.
I had no idea that the City of Vancouver had anything to do with developers creating community gardens and neighbourhood parks. Can you post a link to the bylaw?

The only recent City of Vancouver decision in relation to a temporary parking lot I can recall was when they refused to allow the corner of Keefer and Columbia to be used as a temporary parking lot when the former gas station was demolished. That seems to be the opposite of forcing it to be used for anything.
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I had no idea that the City of Vancouver had anything to do with developers creating community gardens and neighbourhood parks. Can you post a link to the bylaw?

The only recent City of Vancouver decision in relation to a temporary parking lot I can recall was when they refused to allow the corner of Keefer and Columbia to be used as a temporary parking lot when the former gas station was demolished. That seems to be the opposite of forcing it to be used for anything.
Isn't it just a lower tax assessment?

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...a-gift-from-developers-who-get-tax-break
     
     
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Tree protection has gone up now on the plaza on the Georgia Street side.
Well the City is requiring a new bikeshare be installed on West Georgia near Homer on their property that might require changes.

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condition A.2.5).
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[QUOTE=mcminsen;8255415]Tree protection has gone up now on the plaza on the Georgia Street side.


The south plaza is getting a refresh as part of the new building on the north plaza (which they've designated 402 Dunsmuir in communications to tenants).

Based on the renderings, the larger outer wall will be demolished. The pyramid skylights in the remaining podium will be replaced with clear glass and given a new dark paint job around the top to match the new building. There will be new paving, seating and plants installed. They're also hoping to attract a restaurant into the old BMO space.
     
     
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Thanks for the info.
The large outer wall encloses the plaza and makes it more intimate - compared to other area plazas like Library Square or QE Theatre.
It also provides some bulk to anchor the tower, as the small BMO pavilion and canopy doesn't have enough visual presence to anchor the tower as a podium
(i.e. it'll end up looking more like the old Media Club building on QE Plaza).
I think this will screw-up the look of the tower from Georgia - but maybe that's intended so it can be redeveloped in future?
     
     
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