Expo Line - Surrey Langley Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 266

scryer · #**5301** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

It would be better that nothing gets built along Fraser Hwy than having LRT. Rapid Bus would be just fine until the numbers are there.

Save the money for the Rapid Bus Transit that you'll need to upgrade later, and focus on funding for the Skytrain extension.

The damn thing is pointing in the right direction AND it would all be elevated, making it probably one of the cheapest extensions out there.

The numbers will come. There is a study that shows that most people who commute from Langley are commuting to Surrey. There will be empty buses before empty skytrains.

Firebrand · #**5302** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 1:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

The numbers will come. There is a study that shows that most people who commute from Langley are commuting to Surrey. There will be empty buses before empty skytrains.

And these numbers are used by morons to justify that Langley commuters don’t “need” SkyTrain because not many people go to Vancouver anyway. What they don’t mention is the people going to Burnaby or New West both of which are closer to Langley than Vancouver. There are quite a few students I know living in Cloverdale who go to the SFU Burnaby campus, and would love it if an extension is put into place.

Migrant_Coconut · #**5303** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 1:38 AM**

Found this in today's Star-Metro. Looks like you don't even need a collision in order to close the tracks...

Sheba · #**5304** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by scryer

Save the money for the Rapid Bus Transit that you'll need to upgrade later, and focus on funding for the Skytrain extension.

The damn thing is pointing in the right direction AND it would all be elevated, making it probably one of the cheapest extensions out there.

The numbers will come. There is a study that shows that most people who commute from Langley are commuting to Surrey. There will be empty buses before empty skytrains.

There's already Express buses on Fraser Hwy - it would cost very little to upgrade to B-Line.

They could even have some on-ground Skytrain (similar to Evergreen) for a few kms around 176th / Pacific Hwy, which would make it even cheaper to build.

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

And these numbers are used by morons to justify that Langley commuters don’t “need” SkyTrain because not many people go to Vancouver anyway. What they don’t mention is the people going to Burnaby or New West both of which are closer to Langley than Vancouver. There are quite a few students I know living in Cloverdale who go to the SFU Burnaby campus, and would love it if an extension is put into place.

That would be the Vancouver elites who think 'all roads lead to Rome / CoV'. How many times has it come up on here that if the Expo Line is extended there will be too many people SoF on the train and people NoF won't be able to fit onto it to get to downtown Vancouver.

Trainguy · #**5305** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 4:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sheba

There's already Express buses on Fraser Hwy - it would cost very little to upgrade to B-Line.

They could even have some on-ground Skytrain (similar to Evergreen) for a few kms around 176th / Pacific Hwy, which would make it even cheaper to build.

That would be the Vancouver elites who think 'all roads lead to Rome / CoV'. How many times has it come up on here that if the Expo Line is extended there will be too many people SoF on the train and people NoF won't be able to fit onto it to get to downtown Vancouver.

That's an easy fix. Just have some trains end in NW and return back to Waterfront without crossing the Fraser or something like that. Sky train is great because they can program the trains to run where they are needed most.

CanSpice · #**5306** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

That's an easy fix. Just have some trains end in NW and return back to Waterfront without crossing the Fraser or something like that. Sky train is great because they can program the trains to run where they are needed most.

I think it would be more analogous to the Millennium Line changeover. You'd have Expo Line trains going across the river for a few stops to target a major transfer point (probably Surrey Central), and then they'd turn around. If you take a look at this fantasy map you could have the Expo Line trains turn around after King George. Then the Langley Line could run between, say, Langley Centre and 22nd Street (which has incredibly high bus transfer numbers to get to south Vancouver and Richmond). There'd be more interlining than what's currently done between Expo and Millennium lines but it should be do-able.

Or maybe you're right, the Expo Line doesn't go over the river at all, but the Langley Line would still go between 22nd Street and Langley Centre. That would give three stations for transferring between Expo and Langley lines. None of the three New West stations there are particularly great for transfers though as they don't have central platforms.

jsbertram · #**5307** Posted **Jul 8, 2018, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

That's an easy fix. Just have some trains end in NW and return back to Waterfront without crossing the Fraser or something like that. Sky train is great because they can program the trains to run where they are needed most.

not a fantasy.

some expo trains already ignore surrey and go to lougheed and the production way terminus before turning back to waterfront

Trainguy · #**5308** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 4:52 AM**

'It was a crazy experience': C-Train riders slam transit for long delays after crash shuts Red Line

The link below just tells once again what Surrey has in store. Surrey can't think they will be immune from similar crashes and death experienced on the C train.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/c-train-shut-down-truck-strikes-red-line-1.4744497

Migrant_Coconut · #**5309** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 5:47 AM**

All tram-bashing aside, how the hell do you end up that far into a stone wall?

cganuelas1995 · #**5310** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 9:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

All tram-bashing aside, how the hell do you end up that far into a stone wall?

Could be a shitty wall.

flipper316 · #**5311** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 10:12 PM**

https://www.news1130.com/2018/07/14/lang...ing-lrt-deadly-collision-report-toronto/

Lol at the last paragraph. What an idiot.
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Firebrand · #**5312** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.news1130.com/2018/07/14/lang...ing-lrt-deadly-collision-report-toronto/

Lol at the last paragraph. What an idiot.
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Holy [EXPLETED]! Is this guy retarded or something? It seems like he’s trying to make every excuse to not have SkyTrain.

I really hope the City and Township don’t go full retard after October 20.

Waders · #**5313** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by flipper316

https://www.news1130.com/2018/07/14/lang...ing-lrt-deadly-collision-report-toronto/

Lol at the last paragraph. What an idiot.
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Sounds like the guy knows very little about this topic and simply make up some excuse.

Waders · #**5314** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 11:20 PM**

I came across this news article from 2017. It seems preliminary decision was already made last year to extend surface LRT to Langley. That explains why LRT technology is now being referenced in Translink's planning documents for phase 2.

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But he hinted that plans for the future second phase of the project – a 16-km line along Fraser Highway from King George Station to Langley – are still somewhat fluid.

“There are still some discussions out there on what happens to Langley,” said Desmond. “The Mayors’ Council’s plan is to extend surface light rail to Langley, and SkyTrain would be more expensive. So right now, all of our planning assumes it’s surface light rail for the next phase to Langley.”

Firebrand · #**5315** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 11:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

I came across this news article from 2017. It seems preliminary decision was already made last year to extend surface LRT to Langley. That explains why LRT technology is now being referenced in Translink's planning documents for phase 2.

I still don’t understand why they’re plowing through this plan without ANY consultations taken place? *sigh* I hate these braindead politicians.

Firebrand · #**5316** Posted **Jul 14, 2018, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

Sounds like the guy knows very little about this topic and simply make up some excuse.

This guy has been pushing this plan for years. He’s basically the transit equivalent of a flat-earther.

Migrant_Coconut · #**5317** Posted **Jul 15, 2018, 1:25 AM**

Pachal's just desperate for ANY kind of transit out to Langley, as he's said himself for the last few years. It's just that he "knows in his heart" that SkyTrain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell and is doubling down on light rail.

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**5318** Posted **Jul 15, 2018, 2:50 AM**

man, has our province fallen apart when it comes to infrastructure, or well most things.

i am so glad we had visionaries in the 1960s, and 1980s when it came to developing the province. from power projects to road projects to transit projects.

we have really gone down hill.

Firebrand · #**5319** Posted **Jul 15, 2018, 2:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Pachal's just desperate for ANY kind of transit out to Langley, as he's said himself for the last few years. It's just that he "knows in his heart" that SkyTrain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell and is doubling down on light rail.

How long has Pachal been councillor for CoL? His “LRT is the only way to go” BS has been spitting from his mouth since Diane Watts brought up her idea of the Surrey LRT—and passed on to Hepner. Now I’m afraid of Tom Gill carrying Hepner’s torch the same way she carried Watts’.

He reminds me of one of those chemtrail conspiracy “theorists” who have complete lack of understanding of how the physics and costs of spraying undisclosed chemicals make the execution really expensive and impractical, while hand-waving the fallacies to “support” their excuses.

Migrant_Coconut · #**5320** Posted **Jul 15, 2018, 3:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

I came across this news article from 2017. It seems preliminary decision was already made last year to extend surface LRT to Langley. That explains why LRT technology is now being referenced in Translink's planning documents for phase 2.

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But (Desmond) hinted that plans for the future second phase of the project – a 16-km line along Fraser Highway from King George Station to Langley – are still somewhat fluid.

“There are still some discussions out there on what happens to Langley,” said Desmond. “The Mayors’ Council’s plan is to extend surface light rail to Langley, and SkyTrain would be more expensive. So right now, all of our planning assumes it’s surface light rail for the next phase to Langley.”

Sounds like what the TransLink reps said at Khatsalano last week. The story is exactly how we've thought it is: they know SkyTrain is better, they've heard overwhelming feedback about how it's better, and so they haven't actually decided which technology they'll go with... but they answer to the politicians and shareholders who want them to say "LRT is confirmed".

Speaking of the latter, both Adam MacGillivray (running on a Proudly Surrey ticket) and Andrew Mercier (already on Langley City Council) are on the record as wanting SkyTrain. Remember that when October comes around.

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Originally Posted by Firebrand

How long has Pachal been councillor for CoL? His “LRT is the only way to go” BS has been spitting from his mouth since Diane Watts brought up her idea of the Surrey LRT—and passed on to Hepner. Now I’m afraid of Tom Gill carrying Hepner’s torch the same way she carried Watts’.

You might get tunnel vision too, if you've been advocating for something long as Pachal has. If SkyTrain for Langley is confirmed and he starts kicking and screaming, then we get upset... but that's still no reason to randomly call him a chemtrail nut.