Winnipeg | 300 Main St.- Phase II 360 Main St. | 465 Ft | 42F | Completed

[craner]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

I think so, yes
But it was also going to be a shorter fatter twin

So then it all worked out allright in the end.
Give me tall & slender over fat & stubby any day.

[robertocarlos]

Originally Posted by eman

Can imagine New York City closing streets for 2 years every time a building goes up? I hope the developers and architects here appreciate how good they have it. Developers are saving a ton of money being able to stage everything on public streets instead of building and engineering structures that keep the side walk and street open. Is that where the tower crane is going,, a public street?

No, the crane is not going on the street like at Glasshouse. I thought it was going on the street because of the soil tests they performed a year ago on the street right across from the Graham entrance.

The crane is going up right on top of the elevator shaft. I have no idea what they do with the hole in the floor after the crane comes down.

How do they remove a 45 story tall crane from the center of a building?

[DowntownBooster]

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

No, the crane is not going on the street like at Glasshouse. I thought it was going on the street because of the soil tests they performed a year ago on the street right across from the Graham entrance.

The crane is going up right on top of the elevator shaft. I have no idea what they do with the hole in the floor after the crane comes down.

How do they remove a 45 story tall crane from the center of a building?

I always wondered that as well but isn't it the normal procedure to place the crane where the elevator shaft goes?

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by eman

Can imagine New York City closing streets for 2 years every time a building goes up? I hope the developers and architects here appreciate how good they have it. Developers are saving a ton of money being able to stage everything on public streets instead of building and engineering structures that keep the side walk and street open. Is that where the tower crane is going,, a public street?

This comment is in reference to this press release today:

Section of Graham Avenue closing for 2 years
07/13/2018 12:23 PM
You won't be able to drive on Graham Avenue between Main Street and Fort Street for the next two years.

The city is closing the block-long stretch of street to help with the construction of the new high rise building going up at 300/330 Main Street.

The closure begins on Monday.

The two westbound lanes will be used as a delivery area for trucks bringing in construction material to the site while the two eastbound lanes will be restricted to Transit buses.

Pedestrians will be able to use only the southside sidewalk.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/

[cllew]

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

No, the crane is not going on the street like at Glasshouse. I thought it was going on the street because of the soil tests they performed a year ago on the street right across from the Graham entrance.

The crane is going up right on top of the elevator shaft. I have no idea what they do with the hole in the floor after the crane comes down.

How do they remove a 45 story tall crane from the center of a building?

My money would be on a heavy lift mobile crane with lufting jib like was used at TNS to remove their cranes, and pull each section out of the shaft one at a time.

Or like in the old days taken out in smaller sections by a separate rooftop derrick which is then disassembled and sent down an empty elevator / air shaft.

[Chrisforpm]

Originally Posted by craner

So then it all worked out allright in the end.
Give me tall & slender over fat & stubby any day.

I agree. A building wider, but 30 storeys won’t make as much of a statement as a more slender, 42 storey tower,. It’s going to really give the skyline a nice boost.

[GlassCity]

I definitely preferred the original proposal. Stature over height. It adds more power to the streetscape. A bulky office tower says much more about a city's "strength" than another tall slender condo.

Not to say I'm not still very excited about this project, but if I had to choose, I'd choose that original one.

[DowntownBooster]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I definitely preferred the original proposal. Stature over height. It adds more power to the streetscape. A bulky office tower says much more about a city's "strength" than another tall slender condo.

Not to say I'm not still very excited about this project, but if I had to choose, I'd choose that original one.

If they had built that original tower at 330 Main it's quite likely that 201 Portage would never have been built as there would have been a glut of office space on the market and no need for more Class A office space at Portage and Main. If somehow 201 Portage did go up as well, it's more than likely that plans for True North Square would never have materialized.

We also know that prior to Artis REIT purchasing 360 Main, it was one of the most boring looking structures with its beige curtain walls. It wasn't until Artis decided to re-clad the building that it finally took on a new life. Had the original second tower gone up and had Artis never come along, it's possible that we would have had two boring beige towers in our skyline for years to come. Instead, we will have the good fortune of seeing the tallest building in Winnipeg's history go up while the True North project moves into its final phase.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

That corner element is really curious.

The buildings across the street on the left make me laugh.

[ywgwalk]

Originally Posted by DowntownBooster

If they had built that original tower at 330 Main it's quite likely that 201 Portage would never have been built

Good?



From http://www.umanitoba.ca/libraries/units/...t_heritage/ed_site/k-portageandmain.html

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

The restaurant space is large. The apartment bathrooms seem a bit small though.

It's a good size, but not anywhere in the range of what many would be looking for. You have to remember that's the whole space before you factor in kitchen, staff area, washrooms, foyer, etc.

Originally Posted by eman

Can imagine New York City closing streets for 2 years every time a building goes up? I hope the developers and architects here appreciate how good they have it. Developers are saving a ton of money being able to stage everything on public streets instead of building and engineering structures that keep the side walk and street open. Is that where the tower crane is going,, a public street?

The developers pay for lane closures FYI. Plus, as we all know the cost of construction here is much higher than most other places – so even if staging on the street was "free" it'd just be a helping hand.

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

This comment is in reference to this press release today:

Section of Graham Avenue closing for 2 years
07/13/2018 12:23 PM
You won't be able to drive on Graham Avenue between Main Street and Fort Street for the next two years.

The city is closing the block-long stretch of street to help with the construction of the new high rise building going up at 300/330 Main Street.

The closure begins on Monday.

The two westbound lanes will be used as a delivery area for trucks bringing in construction material to the site while the two eastbound lanes will be restricted to Transit buses.

Pedestrians will be able to use only the southside sidewalk.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/

It was mentioned here a while back (I think maybe Drew) that that was the initial plan, but they changed it after.

Drew – are they going to build the whole tower before starting 330? Or somehow both at once?

Originally Posted by trueviking

That corner element is really curious.

The buildings across the street on the left make me laugh.

I think it's just funny how they couldn't even get our hideous unpainted/rusted green/peeling black street light design right.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by DowntownBooster

If they had built that original tower at 330 Main it's quite likely that 201 Portage would never have been built as there would have been a glut of office space on the market and no need for more Class A office space at Portage and Main. If somehow 201 Portage did go up as well, it's more than likely that plans for True North Square would never have materialized.

We also know that prior to Artis REIT purchasing 360 Main, it was one of the most boring looking structures with its beige curtain walls. It wasn't until Artis decided to re-clad the building that it finally took on a new life. Had the original second tower gone up and had Artis never come along, it's possible that we would have had two boring beige towers in our skyline for years to come. Instead, we will have the good fortune of seeing the tallest building in Winnipeg's history go up while the True North project moves into its final phase.

I could live with 201 Portage not going up. And though it was reclad by the time I came to Winnipeg, from photos I actually like the old beige cladding. Glass is so ubiquitous now, it's boring. The future will bring more glass towers, but it won't bring more of those classic mid-century ones.

Again, this isn't to say that I'd necessarily trade 201 Portage for the original 300 Main proposal if I had to choose. Just that if we're talking about that one site in isolation, I would've gone with the original.

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm thinking back to my 500 sq ft, 1 bedroom apartment. It was small yes. But kind of what I expected for a single bedroom. We had a storage locker in the building, so that was nice.

Man...that takes me back as well. Thinking back on the small spaces I lived in and now I've just bought a 1700 square foot apartment. What's really weird is how quickly that space gets cluttered and filled up.

Sorry, resume your regularly scheduled conflicts now.

[robertocarlos]

It's only fair that Artis pay for the lane closing. A fair fee would be $14 a day for every car length of road.

[roccerfeller]

On the 300 main site there was mention the middle portion, 330 main would be the “third phase” ... I presumed an option may have been to put the crane there?

Originally Posted by craner

So then it all worked out allright in the end.
Give me tall & slender over fat & stubby any day.

Yeah, I think it worked out better, imo. Getting a true skyline defining building ultimately!

[robertocarlos]

In less than one year an escalator is going to be installed in the middle of WS.
If 330 Main isn't up by then it will be an escalator to nowhere.

[roccerfeller]

That was purely my own speculation, based on this from 300main.ca as they seemed to indicate the middle portion would be the final phase

The first phase is to complete the renovation of 360 MAIN’s exterior, building a glass curtain wall and giving the building a facelift.

The second phase is the proposed $165 million project, a 40-storey building comprised of residential, retail, and office space, estimated to the be tallest building in downtown Winnipeg. Martens also mentioned talks of a 25,000 square-foot grocery store on the main level of the rental property or in Winnipeg Square.

The third, and not-so-concrete, phase is a proposed 5-star hotel laid out on the foundation pad of the Winnipeg Square underground shopping mall. REIT is currently in discussions with major hotel chains to gauge interest.

Granted this is older info (mid 2016) and I’m sure things have changed since then, it was mentioned here that 330 main may not be the last portion done, especially if there’s an escalator going up within the year

I’m just happy this thing is finally getting on site action. The wait has been a long one

[cllew]

Originally Posted by robertocarlos

It's only fair that Artis pay for the lane closing. A fair fee would be $14 a day for every car length of road.

Cost is $15.20 per square meter of lane occupied per month. There is also a use of street usage permit fee of $587.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I could live with 201 Portage not going up. And though it was reclad by the time I came to Winnipeg, from photos I actually like the old beige cladding. Glass is so ubiquitous now, it's boring. The future will bring more glass towers, but it won't bring more of those classic mid-century ones.

Again, this isn't to say that I'd necessarily trade 201 Portage for the original 300 Main proposal if I had to choose. Just that if we're talking about that one site in isolation, I would've gone with the original.

It was bad. Photos probably didn't do it justice. had faded a lot too and the blacked-out windows didn't help. It was actually very similar to 433 Main, but less shiny and looked worn. You can also still see it on the atrium.

[GarryEllice]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I could live with 201 Portage not going up. And though it was reclad by the time I came to Winnipeg, from photos I actually like the old beige cladding. Glass is so ubiquitous now, it's boring. The future will bring more glass towers, but it won't bring more of those classic mid-century ones.

I wouldn't have described 360 Main (from 1979) as looking particularly mid-century in the first place -- and in any case, as far as mid-century elegance goes, it couldn't hold a candle to the Richardson Building across the street. Ultimately the reclad brought a bit more diversity of colour and style to P&M, where glass isn't really ubiquitous at all. I wouldn't want to see any of the other towers there get that treatment, but for this one I think it was a good move (particularly considering how worn the original cladding looked, as buzzg said).