Atlanta Project Thread IV - Page 159

smArTaLlone · #**3161** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 10:47 PM**

Live Oak Realty Investments is proposing a controversial 21-story, 17 unit condo tower at 687 and 693 Angier Avenue.

https://mailchi.mp/d06ffb90354b/help-rezoning-on-angier-info-and-poll

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Martinman · #**3162** Posted **Jul 2, 2018, 11:38 PM**

J5 renderings

https://www.instagram.com/ownj5/

smArTaLlone · #**3163** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 9:55 PM**

http://quarryyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/QUARRY-YARDS_Marketing-Deck-05222018.pdf

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Street Advocate · #**3164** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 10:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

http://quarryyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/QUARRY-YARDS_Marketing-Deck-05222018.pdf

It’s pretty crazy that Atlanta you can propose a few new buildings nd transform an existing/essentially create a brand neighborhood. Tbh, we need a lot more mixed use around MARTA stations. I wish this project aligned with its street grids (its laid out more like a suburban office park than a functioning neighborhood), but think it would be a boon to the area overall, especially as the city is prioritizing development in its industrial zoned lots.

Extend the green line

Martinman · #**3165** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 1:25 AM**

That was my first thought as well. That site plan is way too office -parky for a transit adjacent development. I was initially very excited about this but it would be ashamed to finally get development in the area only to have it be done in such a suburban nature.

smArTaLlone · #**3166** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 2:08 PM**

It looks like they are orienting the phase 1 development around the Proctor Creek Greenway in an attempt to recreate an Eastside Trail feel. It could be nice but I don't think they should completely ignore the surrounding streets either. Also I think they are stretching the West Midtown boundaries a bit (not that it ever was defined).

In both phases this is a massive development. Its large enough to become a new sub-market within the city.

PHASE 1
Apartments: 850+ Units
Office: 575,000+ SF
Restaurant/Retail: 75,000 SF
Hotel: 300 Key
Planned Opening 2020

PHASE 2
Apartments: 1,000+ Units
Office: 2,000,000+ SF
Retail: 175,000+ SF
Condos: 300 Units

Street Advocate · #**3167** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 3:04 PM**

Don’t think I realized phase 2 was substantially larger than phase 1, woweeee.

smArTaLlone · #**3168** Posted **Jul 7, 2018, 3:26 PM**

I missed this.

https://www.ajc.com/business/beltline-sc...ct-piedmont-park/DvJgNlhJLgS2MeFxOlw6wK/

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Plans for a mixed-use development at the busy corner of 10th Street and Monroe Drive at Piedmont Park appear to be dead after two city of Atlanta agencies halted the process of selling public land needed for the project.

On Wednesday, Atlanta Beltline CEO Brian McGowan sent a letter to developer Jeff Fuqua informing him that the agency and Invest Atlanta, the city’s development arm, decided to terminate the deal. The letter cited the agencies’ rights under a request for proposals process.

Beltline statement

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“We have determined that the process itself is not yielding a result that we feel is appropriate for that site, and we plan to re-evaluate at a later date,” the statement read.

Martinman · #**3169** Posted **Jul 8, 2018, 5:41 PM**

This couldn't have happened to a better developer. I never liked the proposal for that location as much as others did.

Re Quarry Yards :
I am so conflicted by this plan. On one hand, it is such a huge infusion of, well everything adjacent to a Marta station, Westside Park, Proctor Creek, and connection to the Beltline. Its an incredible site and in a neighborhood that hasn't seen much investment in a very long time. Kudos to the developer for both recognizing the potential and initiating the creation of the greenway.

But it just looks so suburban.

Anyway - moving on.

The phase 2 site looks about the same size as phase 1 so it will apparently be a lot denser with perhaps a lot less lawns.

bryantm3 · #**3170** Posted **Jul 8, 2018, 6:22 PM**

why don't they allow redevelopment of the building on monroe, and then turn everything behind it into a sort of "art on the beltline" plaza? keep the large trees and have an area that is designed for temporary interactive outdoor exhibits (think stuff involving multimedia), along with permanent sculptures. sort of like a really arty corner of the park.

montydawg · #**3171** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 1:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

But it just looks so suburban.

I don't get the suburban comments. Yes, there is a funny street grid, however, there are fewer (none) surface parking lots than Ponce City Market and it is more transit accessible than anything suburban outside Sandy Springs. It is also a good mile away from the downtown cluster of buildings and needs to accommodate the proctor creek flood plain as well as the greenway going through it. It also appears to be a high quality project with some interesting architecture, which does not rely on 100% stick built buildings. I don't see how they can make it less suburban. I really like the project.

Atlanta3000 · #**3172** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 1:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

It’s pretty crazy that Atlanta you can propose a few new buildings nd transform an existing/essentially create a brand neighborhood. Tbh, we need a lot more mixed use around MARTA stations. I wish this project aligned with its street grids (its laid out more like a suburban office park than a functioning neighborhood), but think it would be a boon to the area overall, especially as the city is prioritizing development in its industrial zoned lots.

Extend the green line

For Phase I - the developer is not adding or changing the existing roads. I differ on the opinions this looks like a suburban development. It feels very much like a college campus with the streets surrounding the perimeter of the development and tons of open spaces and walking paths. I suspect the developer didn't want to go to dense in Phase I because this phase incorporates the Proctor Creek/Pathway and the entrance to Quarry Park. Phase I constitutes 39% of the 70 acre project. As you can see from the details on Phase II, it will be significantly more dense.

Street Advocate · #**3173** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by montydawg

I don't get the suburban comments. Yes, there is a funny street grid, however, there are fewer (none) surface parking lots than Ponce City Market and it is more transit accessible than anything suburban outside Sandy Springs. It is also a good mile away from the downtown cluster of buildings and needs to accommodate the proctor creek flood plain as well as the greenway going through it. It also appears to be a high quality project with some interesting architecture, which does not rely on 100% stick built buildings. I don't see how they can make it less suburban. I really like the project.

Street level activation, including how long it takes to walk between things is a big miss on this project. Use of space should be improved, too, considering the proximity to Bankhead Station, Proctor Creek Trail, Westside Reservoir Park, proposed north ave transit line, and future BeltLine. Consider for a moment if this project, with the same exact skewed alignment buildings, were proposed on the western edge of Piedmont Park. Residents would be appalled at the poor use of space. Building in an intelligent manner around all of our HRT stations is in Atlanta's long-term interest, regardless of the current physical and perceived conditions of each site. As good neighbors, we should be speaking up for good urbanism in each of our neighborhoods, no matter where each of us actually resides.

This project is essentially a transit oriented development that isn't being planned as such. The current site plan appears to be neglecting urban planning 101 for street level activation, where you can google image any TOD site plan and see how buildings are supposed to align with the streets for urban activation. Your note about the proctor creek flood plain is definitely worthwhile, as the westside neighborhoods are plagued by flooding. I'd want to be sure they studied the flood plains and introduce adequate stormwater runoff infrastructure (such as bioswales along the sidewalks) to help offset the additional runoff that will be introduced by this (and future) project(s). If the buildings are actually being aligned due to an environmental impact study's recommendation, the developer can make that public and alleviate the outside criticism.

Street Advocate · #**3174** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

It feels very much like a college campus

This is probably a more accurate/relatable description for those of us in the southeast

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But really though, we all agree on most about this project: more housing, offices, retail, new greenspace, walking trails, and proximity to parks & transit = good. The item we differ on is the general site plan. With a few small tweaks from the developer, this can go from a good development to a really amazing development.

AtlHeel · #**3175** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 2:32 PM**

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2016/5/12/11664550/beltline-proposal-piedmont-park-downright-dazzling

part of the reason I dislike the Fuqua proposal is that I think this earlier proposal was SO much better.

Atlanta3000 · #**3176** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by AtlHeel

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2016/5/12/11664550/beltline-proposal-piedmont-park-downright-dazzling

part of the reason I dislike the Fuqua proposal is that I think this earlier proposal was SO much better.

The problem is, the neighborhood NIMBY militia doesn't want anything built there. They want to be able to get in their cars and drive to my neighborhood restaurants and retail, but don't want it built in their backyard. If the neighborhood doesn't want the CoA to sell this property, the city should raise their property taxes 30%.

Martinman · #**3177** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by montydawg

I don't get the suburban comments. Yes, there is a funny street grid, however, there are fewer (none) surface parking lots than Ponce City Market and it is more transit accessible than anything suburban outside Sandy Springs. It is also a good mile away from the downtown cluster of buildings and needs to accommodate the proctor creek flood plain as well as the greenway going through it. It also appears to be a high quality project with some interesting architecture, which does not rely on 100% stick built buildings. I don't see how they can make it less suburban. I really like the project.

In addition to what Street Advocate posted, lawns between the buildings and the street = suburban. This just increases the distance required to walk to get to a destination whether from the Marta station or within the site and can ultimately discourage people from walking. Like someone said, it is oriented around Proctor creek and pretty much ignores the streets which is also unlike urban buildings. I really like the project as well. I just think as a development right next to a transit station, it could/should be a lot better.

smArTaLlone · #**3178** Posted **Jul 10, 2018, 1:40 AM**

JLL hired to market Emerson site as development opportunity. This is the 2nd condo project for the site to get scrapped.
http://www.2520peachtree.com/

The previous 2520 Peachtree.

Street Advocate · #**3179** Posted **Jul 10, 2018, 12:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

JLL hired to marke Emerson site as development opportunity. This is the 2nd condo project for the site to get scrapped.
http://www.2520peachtree.com/

The previous 2520 Peachtree.

The Emerson was pretty and I’m all for JPX building more in Atlanta, but frankly I don’t mind this project failing. I’d rather mid and high rises go up in our dense sub markets.

Atlanta3000 · #**3180** Posted **Jul 10, 2018, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

The Emerson was pretty and I’m all for JPX building more in Atlanta, but frankly I don’t mind this project failing. I’d rather mid and high rises go up in our dense sub markets.

SA - I said the same thing on twitter yesterday. I also said JPX should consider moving the project to the 10th and Monroe site and Jarel Portman liked my tweet. It would be unbelievably tragic it this wasn't built somewhere in the city.

https://twitter.com/cbenderatl/status/1016320752826638338