The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 549

FrankieFlowerpot · #**10961** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 2:32 AM**

Godammit - what a mess

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/201...-fix-welding-defect-bombardier-says.html

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In a stunning setback for the TTC’s problem-plagued streetcar order, Bombardier now says most of the vehicles it has already delivered to the transit agency will have to be taken out of service and shipped to Quebec to correct a serious welding defect.

The Star has learned that after a lengthy investigation into long-standing welding problems with the vehicles, Bombardier has concluded the first 67 of the 89 cars it has supplied need to be fixed, or they could fail prematurely.

lrt's friend · #**10962** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

I never said we should ignore local transit in the suburbs. What I said is we shouldn't stretch ultra-expensive subways offering capacities well beyond what is needed to suburbs. Build medium capacity local transit in the suburbs (BRT, classic LRT). Built the Hurontario LRT. I don't care. Mississauga might very well need it, but don't stretch the subway to Mississauga (or Pickering, or Markham) before building the desperately needed DRL.

My point is about priority first and foremost. Commuter rail can hold up the fort for suburbs to downtown rush hours while we fix the mess that is downtown Toronto. Once the downtowns are well served by high capacity subways and metros, then we can stretch them to the burbs.

And to clarify, my biggest issue is with the GTA. I have nothing against Montreal's initial RER, but there might be other priorities after that is built in the city.

Interesting comment when the race to build subway level service to the edge of the suburbs is ongoing in Ottawa following mostly old rail or expressway corridors while inner city areas have few if any plans for service upgrades and the few plans that do exist appear to be delayed as low priority. Just look at the discussion about Jasmine station that would serve a high density neighbourhood but will likely never be built because of the lack of additional TOD opportunities.

MalcolmTucker · #**10963** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 5:24 PM**

Jasmine does have density, but it is still only 1800 max within a 600m catchment. Unless the 2 high schools by there had city wide attendance, the buses going into the neighbourhoods would continue to serve them better than taking the train 1 stop before going onto neighbourhood routes.

https://censusmapper.ca/maps/591#15/45.4438/-75.5946

MonkeyRonin · #**10964** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

Godammit - what a mess

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/201...-fix-welding-defect-bombardier-says.html

This is getting ridiculous - will Bombardier be facing any further financial penalty for this?

ssiguy · #**10965** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 6:29 PM**

This is Bombardier, the poster child of corporate welfare. Bombardier couldn`t care less about the TTC if it tried. It was never a fair contract to begin with because every other streetcar manufacturer could have brought in twice as many cars at one-tenth the cost and Bombardier still would have got the contract. The notion of accepting tendered proposals was a public relations exercise, nothing more. Bombardier has proven itself to be more than willing to blackmail government..............either accept our offer or we will close our plants. It`s tried and true and worked incredibly well. The TTC may say it made the streetcar decision but in reality it was Queen`s Park.

Thankfully there has been a recent trend to say no to Bombardier`s demands a la Ottawa Confederation Line. Edmonton and Calgary`s LRTs are all Siemens and they sure don`t have these problems. Of course Alberta doesn`t have any Bombardier plants which exemplifies how the streetcar tendering was a political decision and not a financial one.

As for Bombardier having to pay the TTC a penalty, don`t count on it. Bombardier views Toronto with supreme indifference because they have bigger friends in Ottawa and Quebec than the TTC does.

WhipperSnapper · #**10966** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 6:31 PM**

Why would Bombardier be forced to pay a penalty? My last car had 3 recalls with one being major. I wasn't compensated above and beyond my own costs. (rental car for a day on the major repair)

milomilo · #**10967** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 9:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Why would Bombardier be forced to pay a penalty? My last car had 3 recalls with one being major. I wasn't compensated above and beyond my own costs. (rental car for a day on the major repair)

So you were compensated then? Are Bombardier going to be providing rental streetcars to make up for any lost service?

WhipperSnapper · #**10968** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 10:11 PM**

I applied and received compensation. It was offered as part of the recall. I didn't fine them for it.

According to the article, it will take minimum 3 years to rebuilt the streetcars at 12 weeks a piece. That's about 3 to 4 streetcars out of service continually for the next 3 plus years. Obviously the TTC should receive some form of compensation if the deficiencies are not already covered in the contract.

1overcosc · #**10969** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

This is getting ridiculous - will Bombardier be facing any further financial penalty for this?

Bombardier should be forced to fully refund Toronto every last dollar paid to them for the contract, thus forcing them to provide all the streetcars for free, and they should be banned from ever doing another contract for Toronto ever again. Ideally, blacklisted from all future projects in the entire province of Ontario.

What they have done cannot be tolerated and they have to be forced to feel real pain over it.

MonkeyRonin · #**10970** Posted **Jul 4, 2018, 10:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Why would Bombardier be forced to pay a penalty? My last car had 3 recalls with one being major. I wasn't compensated above and beyond my own costs. (rental car for a day on the major repair)

This disrupts service and therefore the TTC's revenue, and it means putting more busses on the street, which means paying for more drivers. This is going to hurt the TTC's finances, and that should come out of Bombardier's pocket.

ssiguy · #**10971** Posted **Jul 5, 2018, 4:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Bombardier should be forced to fully refund Toronto every last dollar paid to them for the contract, thus forcing them to provide all the streetcars for free, and they should be banned from ever doing another contract for Toronto ever again. Ideally, blacklisted from all future projects in the entire province of Ontario.

What they have done cannot be tolerated and they have to be forced to feel real pain over it.

I completely agree with you on both accounts of the penalty and being banned from future contracts but only hypothetically. That`s the problem with corporate welfare, once it starts it never stops. Corporate welfare is the gift that keeps on giving.

Penalty? Bombardier won't care as it's the taxpayers that will be paying for it with their next government bailout. Contracts? No problem for Bombardier because if they don't get them they will threaten to shut down a plant that was built with government money to begin with. Bombardier doesn`t care about money because it`s not theirs anyway.

nname · #**10972** Posted **Jul 5, 2018, 4:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Bombardier should be forced to fully refund Toronto every last dollar paid to them for the contract, thus forcing them to provide all the streetcars for free, and they should be banned from ever doing another contract for Toronto ever again.

If they force to refund the entire contract, does that mean they no longer obligated to deliver the rest of the order, nor provide any service including the recall of the already delivered units?

p_xavier · #**10973** Posted **Jul 5, 2018, 5:45 PM**

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...ion-to-study-montreal-transit-priorities

Among the projects being studied are (I added initial proposed technology):

The proposal of Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante’s Projet Montréal party to create a new métro Pink Line running from the south-west to the north-east through the city. (REM compatible line)

Extending the Yellow Line south into Longueuil. (metro or LRT)

Extending the western arm of the métro’s Orange Line northward into Laval. (metro or REM)

A high-speed public transit link on Taschereau Blvd. in Longueuil. (BRT or LRT)

Converting the Mascouche suburban train line to the east, which was put into service three-and-a-half years ago, into an electric rail line compatible with the coming Réseau express métropolitain (REM) rail line. (REM)

Creating a high-speed link along Notre-Dame St. to downtown Montreal. (BRT or LRT)

Extending the planned Pie-IX Blvd. express bus lanes southward to Notre-Dame St. (BRT)

ToxiK · #**10974** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n...ion-to-study-montreal-transit-priorities

Among the projects being studied are (I added initial proposed technology):

The proposal of Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante’s Projet Montréal party to create a new métro Pink Line running from the south-west to the north-east through the city. (REM compatible line)

Extending the Yellow Line south into Longueuil. (metro or LRT)

Extending the western arm of the métro’s Orange Line northward into Laval. (metro or REM)

A high-speed public transit link on Taschereau Blvd. in Longueuil. (BRT or LRT)

Converting the Mascouche suburban train line to the east, which was put into service three-and-a-half years ago, into an electric rail line compatible with the coming Réseau express métropolitain (REM) rail line. (REM)

Creating a high-speed link along Notre-Dame St. to downtown Montreal. (BRT or LRT)

Extending the planned Pie-IX Blvd. express bus lanes southward to Notre-Dame St. (BRT)

All those studies will fill a nice bookcase.

And more studies will follow those...

p_xavier · #**10975** Posted **Jul 6, 2018, 11:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by ToxiK

All those studies will fill a nice bookcase.

And more studies will follow those...

Well these are the only "official" projects so.

nephersir7 · #**10976** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 4:33 PM**

REM design options

https://rem.info/en/consultation

Nouvellecosse · #**10977** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 6:26 PM**

Mont-Royal is the best.

Dengler Avenue · #**10978** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 7:02 PM**

http://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/greyhoun...-leaving-small-towns-in-lurch-1.23362228

Service between Vancouver and Seattle will be retained, however.

Martin Mtl · #**10979** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by nouvellecosse

mont-royal is the best.

+ 1

ssiguy · #**10980** Posted **Jul 9, 2018, 7:18 PM**

Sad about Greyhound but not surprising. People and politicians will complain but they are not a government service. Their priority is to make money and these routes are unsustainable. I applaud Greyhound for giving the feds and provinces advanced warnings so they can make alternative arrangements and the fact that these routes have been unprofitably for a long time but they tried to make a go of it shows them as responsible corporate citizens knowing their service is essential for many communities but they aren`t a piggy bank so they now have no options.

This will certainly hurt as rail is not an option ANYWHERE in the West so expect air travel within regional centres to the main ones to skyrocket. Unless several new carrier are brought in to fill the void, air is now the only option.