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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:56 PM
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Actually the two sites Amazon really like are near DT and close to rail transit.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/ra...-chicago-hq2-sites-old-main-post-office/

“I don’t want to violate anything with Amazon. … I want to be careful. In our original proposal to Amazon, we had 10 sites. When they came, they saw five sites. It’s our understanding they like — really like — two sites,” the mayor said.

But other sources said the two finalists are likely to come from the following three: a Chicago River district where Tribune Media wants to build 15 office and residential towers; “The 78,” a 62-acre site at Roosevelt and Clark, where Rauner dreams of building an innovation center led by the University of Illinois; and the Lincoln Yards site, which includes the old Finkl Steel plant among 100 acres along the River.





I think its going on the 78 site just south of DT if they want a blank slate. Plenty of land to build there close to the Loop.
If they want to more urban built-up center to start worth then it looks like Lincoln yards

www.78chicago.com/




https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/5/11/17340660/the-78-related-midwest-amazon-hq2

Good video in the above link


The below link is for Lincoln Yards

https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/5/25/17394824/lincoln-yards-development-north-branch




The quote below is accurate.

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Amazon reportedly visited these sites in Chicago:

*The 78, Related Midwest's 62-acre site along the Chicago River between the South Loop and Chinatown. (This would be considered downtown. Best site IMO in Chicago for Amazon)

* The River District, 37 riverfront acres owned by Tribune Media between Chicago and Grand avenues. (This is virtually downtown and adjacent to very dense/urban areas)

* Lincoln Yards, Sterling Bay's more than 70-acre site on the river along Lincoln Park and Bucktown. (Basically the most urban/densely populated areas of the city)

* The Burnham Lakefront, Farpoint Development and Draper and Kramer's planned redevelopment of the former Michael Reese Hospital site and other land just south of Interstate 55 and McCormick Place. (fringe of downtown)

* Fulton Market district on the Near West Side. (basically downtown and a booming area of office and housing)
The Burnham Lakefront never had a chance.

The River District is too small for H2.

Fulton Market would could have worked but it would have been patchwork and not easy to make a massive campus in. Its already booming.

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 6:33 PM
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Everyone knows how cheap Philly is...but I didn’t know that Raleigh would be more expensive than Atlanta.
I lived in Raleigh from 1999 - 2001 and it is definitely more expensive and it has the worst most aggressive drivers I have ever seen.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 7:36 PM
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I lived in Raleigh from 1999 - 2001 and it is definitely more expensive and it has the worst most aggressive drivers I have ever seen.
No one tells Atlantans other drivers are more aggressive than them and gets away with it! See you on the roads, buddy.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 7:52 PM
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No one tells Atlantans other drivers are more aggressive than them and gets away with it! See you on the roads, buddy.
Bring IT! My Dodge Ram is the one with the sticker: How's my driving? Call 1-800-EAT-SHIT.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 7:55 PM
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There is no land available anywhere downtown that would support their campus. They would have a very fragmented campus if they wanted to build downtown, unless they purchased several buildings. Perhaps the only exception is the south loop area near the target, but that is pretty packed in too. . I’m not familiar with the 10 sites, full disclosure
Their HQ in Seattle is fairly fragmented, so that may not be it

The more I think about, I guess Amazon's decision to overlook *core* downtown sites makes sense if they're looking for a transformative site. Simply plopping the HQ in the literal heart of a vibrant CBD wouldn't necessarily accomplish that, but maybe instead a underutilized area adjacent to it would (similar to South Lake Union in Seattle).
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 8:03 PM
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No one tells Atlantans other drivers are more aggressive than them and gets away with it! See you on the roads, buddy.
I'm from Detroit, and I wouldn't hardly describe Atlanta drivers as "aggressive."

That said, I am in complete shock and awe at the complete disregard for basic rules of the road here. I've seem some crazy shit go down that would typically get you several tickets back home.

It's also frustrating because you have a bunch of different driving cultures converging into one. You have a ton of native New Yorkers, a ton of native southerners (who drive as if they're driving Miss Daisy, no offense to anyone) and a ton of Chicago/Detroit transplants all sharing the same roads, which (as you can imagine) leads to one hell of a time.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2018, 7:13 AM
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Some additional updates:

*Deal has imformed Amazon about the BRT line along the GA-400 as well as the ATL Transit authority.

*It may take a couple more months for a decision to be made.

*There *WILL* be one more short list, narrowed down to only 3 cities.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wsbtv.com...p-bring-amazon-hq2-to-the-city/773004394

Interestingly enough, WSB specifically used the words "east coast headquarters" in their article more than once, which would imply they're looking for a EST location for HQ2 (thus would effectively eliminate places like Dallas and Chicago). That being said, it's not certain if Amazon actually included the words "east coast headquarters" in their most recent email to the finalists (probably not).
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2018, 8:36 PM
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Looks like the Gulch is definitely in play for HQ2. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is a good sign Atlanta will be a finalist.

Texts show Atlanta and APS negotiating incentives for Gulch
By J. Scott Trubey - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms’ office has said for weeks a plan to end a development incentive for parts of Atlanta’s Eastside was about plugging a budget hole, dodging questions about whether the plan was tied to other initiatives, including an effort to provide taxpayer dollars to redevelop downtown’s Gulch.

But text messages and emails obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution show Bottoms engaged in secret talks with Atlanta Public Schools to end the Eastside Tax Allocation District (TAD) to win APS’ support for lucrative incentives for the Gulch project. A TAD is a zone where governments freeze property tax collections and use future expected increases in property values over many years to fund infrastructure and other improvements in that zone.

The texts, obtained through an open records request, show city and APS staff held talks over the course of at least a month to hash out a plan. As of June 6, the texts show the city and APS were still ironing out what APS Superintendent Meria Carstarphen called “sticky points.”

“I saw the email regarding the City’s request of the APS Board to consent to extend the Board’s participation in the Westside TAD, so that the City can fund the development of the Gulch area,” Carstarphen wrote to Bottoms on May 6.

“I believe the Board may support the extension if the City will agree to the following,” Carstarphen said laying out the board’s terms, which included closure of the Eastside TAD.

In an email, Cartstarphen told Bottoms APS had not received financial gains promised from TADs. With a change to homestead exemptions threatening future APS tax revenue, APS pushed for closure of the Eastside TAD and other concessions to support the Gulch deal.

The documents offer a glimpse of high-stakes negotiations behind closed doors, the outcome of which will determine which neighborhoods get lucrative development dollars for their growth.

Bottoms’ office and APS declined comment.

Critics say the proposal would eliminate a key subsidy for struggling Eastside neighborhoods such as historic Sweet Auburn in favor of a proposed downtown mini-city pitched as a possible second headquarters for tech giant Amazon.

If approved by the school board and City Council, an extension of the Westside TAD would allow the city and Gulch developer CIM Group to fund costly infrastructure through bonds repaid over nearly three decades by future expected increases in the tax digest. Directing more tax dollars to CIM and the Gulch initiative is controversial because the project is likely to receive consideration for other hefty incentives.

Backers of the project supported a 2017 change in state law to aid major redevelopments in areas called “enterprise zones.” Robert Highsmith, a lobbyist and lawyer at Holland & Knight who represents CIM, helped push the new incentive through the state Legislature, which allows developers of projects of more than $400 million in depressed areas to collect sales taxes generated on site to fund new infrastructure.

The Gulch is considered as a potential enterprise zone.

Highsmith, an ally of former Mayor Kasim Reed, has represented the city, Invest Atlanta, the Beltline and other groups. In 2017, Highsmith and his wife donated $5,400 to Bottoms’ campaign. Highsmith didn’t return messages and CIM declined comment.

City legislation to extend the Westside TAD’s life from 2038 to 2047 is pending, which would guarantee a stream of tax dollars for another nine years.

Julian Bene, an Invest Atlanta board member, has been critical of city financing for big developers out of the Eastside TAD, and said he favors closing it. But he said he doesn’t support closing it to provide incentives for the Gulch that could lock up sales taxes as well as gains to the property tax digest.

“I don’t think the Gulch deserves to be tax-free and I think that will cost the taxpayer because projects will be built there that would have been built in taxable areas, and the rest of us are going to have to fork out more in taxes to make up for it,” he said.

The maneuvers in favor of the Gulch and the Westside TAD also risk reigniting criticism that City Hall sides with big developers over African-American neighborhoods. It’s also likely to pit residents and businesses surrounding the Martin Luther King Jr. National Historical Park against Bottoms, APS and CIM, a noted California-based developer whose co-founder, Richard Ressler, is the brother of Hawks lead owner Tony Ressler.

The Eastside TAD, which opened in 2003, has failed to meet its eight goals for community development, according to a report commissioned by the city’s development agency, Invest Atlanta.

Much of the money has supported large developers elsewhere in the district rather than community groups. City Councilman Amir Farokhi, who represents the area, said Sweet Auburn and Edgewood should take priority.

“We need to re-prioritize neighborhood redevelopment and make sure every neighborhood is a great place to live and work before we abandon those commitments to chase a big marquee project,” he said.

Councilwoman Natalyn Mosby Archibong, who represents East Atlanta, said she opposes closing the Eastside TAD. She said the city needs to have “a holistic approach” to all of its TADs.

“It’s unfair to abort this mission for the newest and latest project on the (Westside) of town,” she said.

Invest Atlanta board member Constance Lewis said the Gulch “is terribly important for our future and merits support, but not at the expense of Eastside development.”

“Options exist that allow both areas to prosper,” she said.

Asked earlier this month if the mayor’s office wanted to close the Eastside TAD to expand or create other TADs, Bottoms’ press secretary Michael Smith said “no.”

In a June 11 email, he said the Eastside district “would be recommended for closure irrespective of any other development plans,” and declined to confirm if TAD funds had been promised for the Gulch.

But five days earlier, Bottoms had texted the city’s terms to Carstarphen.

Bottoms told Carstarphen June 6 the city could support most of APS’ demands, including closing the Eastside TAD, “to extend the Westside TAD to 2047 and to ‘synthetically’ create a Gulch TAD within the Westside TAD.”

In return, APS would recapture about $7.1 million per year from the closed Eastside TAD, a memo shows. Bottoms said via text the city agreed to make payments in lieu of taxes to APS to cover some of the tax revenue lost from supporting extension of the Westside TAD.

Mtamanika Youngblood, who chairs the nonprofit Sweet Auburn Works, said officials told her the Eastside TAD needed to be closed to protect the city’s bond rating — not to help the Gulch.

“We’ve been told they wanted to close it, but the reasons we were told why they wanted to close apparently weren’t true,” Youngblood said. “It’s really robbing Peter to pay Paul when Paul is better off than Peter.”

Gulch development

The Gulch is a sprawling bed of rail lines and parking lots that stretches from Mercedes-Benz Stadium to MARTA’s Five Points station that’s vexed downtown leaders for years.

Plans for a rail hub fizzled, but the area has seen renewed interest in recent years after the city dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to sports arenas.

The Falcons built the new Mercedes-Benz Stadium after the city agreed to public financing that is likely to total $700 million over the next three decades. In 2016, the Hawks agreed to stay at downtown, striking a deal to renovate Philips Arena with the help of $142.5 million in public funds.

Former Mayor Reed said then the Hawks deal would trigger more than $1 billion in private investment by CIM and others.

In December, CIM proposed more than 9 million square feet of office space, 1 million square feet of retail and restaurant space, 1,000 residences and 1,500 hotel rooms.

The project, likely to cost billions, is aimed at Amazon, which in January named Atlanta one of 20 communities on its shortlist for “HQ2” and 50,000 corporate jobs.

City withholds records

On June 8, the AJC requested from APS and the city all texts sent between Bottoms and Carstarphen since Jan. 1. APS promptly provided texts from May 3 to June 6, but said earlier messages were irretrievable because Carstarphen’s old phone was damaged.

Requests to the city for Bottoms’ texts and documents related to negotiations went unfulfilled.

State law says agencies must provide responsive records within three business days, or provide an estimated amount of time to fulfill the request if documents aren’t readily available.

Agencies can also redact or deny records, but officials must cite appropriate exemptions to state law.

Smith, Bottom’s spokesman, said Tuesday that city and APS’ lawyers said the city didn’t have to provide texts because APS did. Smith later reversed course and said records would be provided after the AJC informed him First Amendment experts said the city’s stance didn’t comply with state law. (Records weren’t provided as of press time.)

In March, the state launched a criminal probe of City Hall’s handling of open records requests after AJC and Channel 2 Action News revealed city efforts to stall records production. The news outlets later filed a complaint with the state Attorney General’s office.

What is a TAD?

A tax allocation district, or TAD, is a zone where governments freeze property tax collections and use future expected increases in property values to fund infrastructure and other improvements. In theory, as the area develops, increases in property taxes are diverted to repay bonds for roads, parks or even affordable housing. After the bonds are repaid, the city, county and schools receive the benefit of the new higher property values.

MORE DETAILS

Early June: Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms administration said a plan to close the Eastside TAD was to fill a budget hole and dodged questions about whether the real intent was to help develop the Gulch.

Today: Texts obtained by the AJC show Bottoms and Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent Meria Carstarphen negotiating terms for APS to back expansion of a TAD for the Gulch.

Next: A plan to close the Eastside TAD and expand the Westside TAD could come before City Council.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2018, 1:26 AM
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Not directly related to Amazon HQ2 (as far as we know), but still an interesting development none the less. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted...

State of Georgia seeks bids for 9.5 acres in downtown Atlanta's Gulch (Photos)


https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...georgia-seeks-bids-for-9-5-acres-in.html

ssl.doas.state.ga.us/PRSapp/bid-documents/1841000406-74222132.pdf
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2018, 2:43 AM
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Not directly related to Amazon HQ2 (as far as we know), but still an interesting development none the less. I'm surprised this hasn't been posted...

State of Georgia seeks bids for 9.5 acres in downtown Atlanta's Gulch (Photos)


https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...georgia-seeks-bids-for-9-5-acres-in.html

ssl.doas.state.ga.us/PRSapp/bid-documents/1841000406-74222132.pdf
I can't tell whether to be excited about this or not. It appears they are offering a total of 9.6 acres, of which about 5 acres are going to be air-rights only. It appears the 'yellow' portion below, which are currently active rail lines, is the portion which is only air rights, and the remaining parts of the parcel is for 'real' property rights. What this tells me is they are excluding any possibility of any commuter rail station in this area.

If they wanted to keep any possibility of having commuter rail platforms in this area in the future, they would have only sold the air rights to this track. I suspect the railroad lobbyists had their hand in this as they hate the idea of commuter rail (which would impact their freight operations) and selling this chunk of land would eliminate any possibility of having any centralized rail hub in this area. If anyone else interprets this differently, let me know.

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I can't tell whether to be excited about this or not. It appears they are offering a total of 9.6 acres, of which about 5 acres are going to be air-rights only. It appears the 'yellow' portion below, which are currently active rail lines, is the portion which is only air rights, and the remaining parts of the parcel is for 'real' property rights. What this tells me is they are excluding any possibility of any commuter rail station in this area.

If they wanted to keep any possibility of having commuter rail platforms in this area in the future, they would have only sold the air rights to this track. I suspect the railroad lobbyists had their hand in this as they hate the idea of commuter rail (which would impact their freight operations) and selling this chunk of land would eliminate any possibility of having any centralized rail hub in this area. If anyone else interprets this differently, let me know.
How would this affect the CIM plans? I take it this means they don't have rights to the land yet...
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2018, 1:33 PM
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How would this affect the CIM plans? I take it this means they don't have rights to the land yet...
Yeah - I don't understand what is going on here. CIM presented a 27 acre plan before the rezoning board and I am definitely sure these parcels stated in the article above were part of their plan.
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Atlanta ranks 2nd among Amazon finalist cities in survey of tech website readers

Two strong showings for Atlanta.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s...2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1

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Raleigh, N.C., came in first in the survey of more than 2,000 readers of GeekWire.com. Austin, Texas was third.
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Raleigh and Atlanta were also ranked 1-2 among the finalist cities in a housing market ranking by Attom Data Solutions based on factors as housing affordability, crime rate, schools and property taxes. The GeekWire story also mentioned the Attom Data Solutions survey results.
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Yeah - I don't understand what is going on here. CIM presented a 27 acre plan before the rezoning board and I am definitely sure these parcels stated in the article above were part of their plan.
I think they usually purchase land after the project has been approved by the government entities, however, the state of Georgia requires an open bid process on the sale of any of their land.
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I think they usually purchase land after the project has been approved by the government entities, however, the state of Georgia requires an open bid process on the sale of any of their land.
That explains it. I wasn't aware of all of that.

The fact that they're now moving foward with formally purchasing all of the land suggests to me they're very confident in the project happening. Definitely good news.
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Would Raleigh Win or Lose?

If Amazon settled in Raleigh, N.C., the town would never be the same.

Given Raleigh’s size and lack of other really large resident corporate headquarters (other than Red Hat), Amazon would literally "own" that town. Yes, it would bring thousands of jobs, tax dollars and prestige, but the qualities that make the town friendly and unique may all be erased.

At least with Atlanta, Amazon would have to “share the spotlight”, to some degree, with other corporations and their prescience within in a larger metro area like Atlanta would not have the same “sea-change” effect as in a smaller metro area such as Raleigh – but maybe that’s what Amazon wants, to literally “own” the city it resides within to the point where their sheer size and influence literally dictates what does and does not happen in the city.

I would also imagine that Amazon’s views will most definitely clash with some of the religious population base in Raleigh.

Maybe Amazon is actually in the business of influencing not just peoples buying habits, but the way people think as well. Maybe a town in the center of the Bible-Belt is exactly where Amazon wants to “stake their claim” so to speak.

Is Raleigh selling their soul...? Who knows, time will tell.
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That explains it. I wasn't aware of all of that.

The fact that they're now moving foward with formally purchasing all of the land suggests to me they're very confident in the project happening. Definitely good news.
That is my thoughts too. Final bids are due July 26th and bidders can not withdrawal their bid are it is publicly announced. Also, a check of 5% of the purchase price has to be included. Given CIM paid $25 Million for the Norfolk Southern building and 3 acres, I would suspect the 9.5 acres should sell for well north of $50 Million. I cannot see CIM Group committing to that much $ without feeling confident Atlanta and the Gulch are the leading contender for HQ2.

This is really an exciting and unexpected development in the race for HQ2. I wonder why the media is not playing this up more?
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If Amazon settled in Raleigh, N.C., the town would never be the same.

Given Raleigh’s size and lack of other really large resident corporate headquarters (other than Red Hat), Amazon would literally "own" that town. Yes, it would bring thousands of jobs, tax dollars and prestige, but the qualities that make the town friendly and unique may all be erased.

At least with Atlanta, Amazon would have to “share the spotlight”, to some degree, with other corporations and their prescience within in a larger metro area like Atlanta would not have the same “sea-change” effect as in a smaller metro area such as Raleigh – but maybe that’s what Amazon wants, to literally “own” the city it resides within to the point where their sheer size and influence literally dictates what does and does not happen in the city.

I would also imagine that Amazon’s views will most definitely clash with some of the religious population base in Raleigh.

Maybe Amazon is actually in the business of influencing not just peoples buying habits, but the way people think as well. Maybe a town in the center of the Bible-Belt is exactly where Amazon wants to “stake their claim” so to speak.

Is Raleigh selling their soul...? Who knows, time will tell.
Let us not forget, 2 years ago North Carolina was the first state to actually have a bathroom bill signed into law. Although the law has been rescinded, I think it still leaves a shit stain on the minds of Liberal tech companies. Not to mention they lack mass-transit and their airport is severely undeserved and is not a hub for any carrier. Raleigh was not built to handle the needs of a Fortune 10 company at all.
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Let us not forget, 2 years ago North Carolina was the first state to actually have a bathroom bill signed into law. Although the law has been rescinded, I think it still leaves a shit stain on the minds of Liberal tech companies. Not to mention they lack mass-transit and their airport is severely undeserved and is not a hub for any carrier. Raleigh was not built to handle the needs of a Fortune 10 company at all.
As you stated, Raleigh lacks the needed infrastructure on Amazon’s “Wish List” and the Political and cultural climate could pose a problem that may eclipse everything else. I suppose the only big positive factors remaining would be the regional Universities ( which are rather good ) and the somewhat affordable housing along with a decent school system.

Well if Amazon does settle in a smaller metro area like Raleigh, the plus’s that Raleigh had going into this challenge are going to probably reverse course.

When you bring 50,000 job prospects into the mix, the housing costs in a smaller market like Raleigh are going to be less likely to absorb the demand and will more than likely rise accordingly – so the affordable housing advantage is therefore diminished (Strike One)

Then, the school system will certainly be strained, which would alter the student/teacher ratio and over-crowd the current school system, which will make Raleigh’s school system seem less attractive. (Strike Two)

The City of Raleigh would have to be more than “on-the-ball” with all of the funding for needed infrastructure improvements while, adapting to this massive influx of people and families with different social and political viewpoints arriving at their doorsteps. These new arrivals, along with Amazon, would expect to reshape a town that seems to be already comfortable with itself and its place in the world.

So the City of Raleigh will have to balance all these factors without seeming to be selling-out to a corporation that will certainly be “calling the shots” once Amazon finds the sweet-spot in the Captain’s Chair. ( Strike Three )
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I really like Ralaigh and the Triangle area. I went to school up there. Amazon would imo bring the city to its knee's. It simply cannot handle the demands on infrastructure, transportation and housing. there is not even light rail in the metro area - nothing.
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