TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon) - Page 28

wave46 · #**541** Posted **Jun 25, 2018, 10:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If trucks are from Southern Ontario, and if they aren’t going through the states, won’t 69 (400) and 17 (future 417) be shorter in distance?

I do realize that 17 along Lake Superior Shore has steep grades though. OPP tweets about trucks getting stuck on the highway during winter every now and then. I cruised at 108 kph, and my speedometer read 116 kph down the slope.

I'm not sure if you have any experience in large rigs, but they have to limit their speed down a grade lest they lose control. They're not 3,000 lb cars with lots of braking capacity.

Other issues:
- Average speed is much lower on grades. Every minute spent chugging up a grade at 30-40 km/h absolutely destroys average travel speed
- Fuel costs and wear and tear. Running up and down leads to heavy fuel consumption and brake usage.
- Weather. Highway 17 runs close to Lake Superior which has all sorts of fun weather come off it, especially in winter. Highway 11 is more inland, which mitigates that problem.
- Distance is irrelevant. The 60 extra kilometers required by using Highway 11 is a tiny price to pay for the much better driving conditions.

swimmer_spe · #**542** Posted **Jun 26, 2018, 9:29 PM**

If both 11 and 17 were 4 lanes, between North Bay and Nipigon, Highway 11 would be seen as more of a truck route. It is flatter overall, and the small distance difference is irrelevant to the fuel savings.

Dengler Avenue · #**543** Posted **Jun 26, 2018, 9:34 PM**

Unless somehow MTO can make a flat 4-lane Highway 17 between Nipigon and SSM?

Theoretically (especially if there's a sustainable source of $$$), all that needs to be done is intensive rock blasting.

swimmer_spe · #**544** Posted **Jun 26, 2018, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Unless somehow MTO can make a flat 4-lane Highway 17 between Nipigon and SSM?

Well, there is a floating bridge in Lake Washington.....

Dengler Avenue · #**545** Posted **Jun 26, 2018, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Well, there is a floating bridge in Lake Washington.....

A floating bridge between SSM and T Bay?

That's gonna turn all the tourists away though.

Plus, it will have meant that the province has widened 11-17 between T Bay and Nipigon for nothing.

Ps: If 11 does get widened though, lol it should be done with grade-separation and renumbered Highway 1 with the maple-leaf shield, and its maximum speed limit set at 120 kph (allowing people to go up to 144 kph) from Geraldton to north of New Liskeard. Man we will then have to (re)name it Transcanada Racetrack (La piste de course transcanadienne).

Dengler Avenue · #**546** Posted **Jun 27, 2018, 2:58 PM**

https://www.northbaynipissing.com/news-s...ollision-with-2-moose-east-of-north-bay/

Dengler Avenue · #**547** Posted **Jun 27, 2018, 9:27 PM**

Also, if we’re to twin 11 (honestly whichever route we twin), the province really needs to take ownership of, and fix/straighten the routes between 11 and 17 along Lake Superior Shore in case of closure. Of utmost importance, the province needs to construct a link from 631 to Dubruiville and “extend” 547 from Hawks Junction to there. Detour via Timmins to head back to SSM is outright unacceptable.

There’s also a windy road between Longlac and Terrace Bay. (I was surprised that Longlac Backroad actually takes you all the way from Lake Superior Shore to the north. Speed limit’s only 60 kph right now though, so provincializing it will take quite a bit of upgrade.) Also, I’d recommend reconstructing the road as 2 lane divided and mandate moving over to allow the car behind you to pass.

sonysnob · #**548** Posted **Jun 28, 2018, 2:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

There’s also a windy road between Longlac and Terrace Bay. (I was surprised that Longlac Backroad actually takes you all the way from Lake Superior Shore to the north. Speed limit’s only 60 kph right now though, so provincializing it will take quite a bit of upgrade.) Also, I’d recommend reconstructing the road as 2 lane divided and mandate moving over to allow the car behind you to pass.

There is a road between Caramat and Manitouwadge known (at least to me) as the Caramat Industrial Road. The road is maintained by the forestry industry, but seems to get some assistance from the provincial government from time to time, not unlike the Sultan Road between Hwy 667 and 144.

Dengler Avenue · #**549** Posted **Jun 28, 2018, 3:27 PM**

You’re right. * insert surprise face *

Are commercial vehicles not allowed on these roads? If they are, OPP needs to stop posting very circuitous detours whenever one of the highways is closed...

Dengler Avenue · #**550** Posted **Jun 28, 2018, 9:46 PM**

Highway 11’s closed west of 631...

Dengler Avenue · #**551** Posted **Jun 28, 2018, 11:16 PM**

Meanwhile 17 SW Bypass at Sudbury City Road 55 (Whitefish), one lane is blocked.

In T Bay, Harbour Expressway’s closed from 11-17 to Golf Link Road due to an accident.

Dengler Avenue · #**552** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 2:23 AM**

Kenora Bypass (17A) is blocked between Villeneuve Road S and Highway 658 due to a collision.

Dengler Avenue · #**553** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 6:37 AM**

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_17

Hmm, did I just not read carefully before, or did the future section get more comprehensive?

swimmer_spe · #**554** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 2:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_17

Hmm, did I just not read carefully before, or did the future section get more comprehensive?

It has, but that is due to the planning that has beening happening in the last few years.

1overcosc · #**555** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 3:43 PM**

They appointed Yakabuski, the MPP for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, as Transportation Minister. So...

Dengler Avenue · #**556** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 4:02 PM**

I sort of expect him to not only get 417 extended to Renfrew, but also to the outskirts of North Bay as long as it’s in his riding (or heck, even through North Bay although it’s Fedeli’s riding now instead).

sonysnob · #**557** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 5:08 PM**

^ That's probably pretty unlikely. It seems pretty likely that in the next five years the 417 will get extended to Renfrew, but even getting Pembroke is unlikely in such a timeframe.

What wouldn't shock me however, would be an extension of the Highway 11 freeway northerly to O'Brian Road in North Bay. The MTO has been quietly buying up property along the future alignment of the Highway 11/17 freeway through North Bay for several years now.

Dengler Avenue · #**558** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 5:22 PM**

Heh with that kind of speed, TCH in Ontario will be as is for another 150 years...

sonysnob · #**559** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 6:37 PM**

Some views of the twinning work underway between Nipigon and Red Rock, northeasterly of Thunder Bay, Ontario. These photos were taken by me just over two weeks ago:

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_11_images/11_cl_1335_west_Jun18_24x16.jpg

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_11_images/11_cl_1337_west_Jun18_24x16.jpg

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_11_images/11_cl_1338_west_Jun18_24x16.jpg

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_11_images/11_cl_1341_west_Jun18_24x16.jpg

http://www.asphaltplanet.ca/ON/hwy_11_images/11_cl_1343_west_Jun18_24x16.jpg

Dengler Avenue · #**560** Posted **Jun 29, 2018, 6:47 PM**

Thanks for the picture.

I still hope the speed limit will be increased to 100 kph though.