PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 895

Frontst17 · #**17881** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 4:30 PM**

Businesses can go screw themselves if it takes money out of residents pockets. When we cater to businesses every request we get used by them until they’re ready to find the next sucker to take advantage of.

skyscraper · #**17882** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Londonee

I actually laughed out loud at how out of touch this line is.

another substantive reply from Londonee. Thanks for contributing.

El Duderino · #**17883** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 5:35 PM**

before this devolves further, actual facts: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18b.htm

the percentage of school-age employees is higher in retail and food services than in other professions (unsurprisingly), but there are people of all ages who work in these areas. do with this info what you will.

Milksteak · #**17884** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by El Duderino

before this devolves further, actual facts: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18b.htm

the percentage of school-age employees is higher in retail and food services than in other professions (unsurprisingly), but there are people of all ages who work in these areas. do with this info what you will.

You are very brave to step in with cold hard facts without spouting your opinion in an aggressive fashion. Godspeed.

JohnIII · #**17885** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by acenturi

Flights from the U.S. East Coast to Japan/China typically depart before Noon and arrive back around 5PM. If gates where a problem, AA could easily move more narrow body departing international flights from A-West to non-customs gates in A-East, or even B. Further, AA always has the option of creating an additional arrival/departure Bank, subject to ATC agreement. Gates will not be an obstacle preventing AA/PHL from scheduling a flight to Asia - that's just about guaranteed. Now Back to Skyscraper talk. If Comcast is successful with their Fox bid, I think they should reward Philly with at least one new shiny 1200 Footer.

Well, I agree I would like that but I suppose it depends on the need of the company.

However if Comcast does need a tall building I would say why not make a 1200' roof height and make a lantern in the center up to 1300' and really make a nice somewhat modernized Art Deco with a gold texture to it.

MyDadBuiltThat · #**17886** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by iamrobk

Honestly I'd be shocked if that was true, but that's mostly based on my gut instinct that it was going to be an east coast city (i.e. not Austin or Chicago). But it also doesn't match up with the little other information I know, although that isn't really hard facts (I can't say any more unfortunately).

And while this doesn't discount your information, I think Amazon typically works with CBRE, not Cushman and Wakefield, so this person may be a little further removed from the decision making than they let on. (That said, commercial real estate is well outside my area of expertise so maybe it's common in that field to regularly work with different companies.)

My understanding is that Cushman was permitted by the city to make a pitch to Amazon when they were in town to hear the SY and Navy Yard info. Cushman has signed agreements for 8 million plus square feet in Center City with both new and existing buildings, including at least one replacement. It was during/around this pitch that the three city comment was made.

skyscraper · #**17887** Posted **Jun 15, 2018, 8:55 PM**

never mind

jsbrook · #**17888** Posted **Jun 16, 2018, 9:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Londonee

I actually laughed out loud at how out of touch this line is.

So your solution is to enact zero regulations, even if they are smart and fair and help poor people, for the rest of Philadelphia's existence because it *may* have an effect on the city's perception by Business (capital B, the ultimate straw man by the way).

Right. Philly will not shed its anti-business reputation by refraining from enacting any new regulation no matter how sensible or appropriate. And if it could do this through this approach, it still would not be worth it. Philly will shed its anti-business reputation by fixing its reality and eliminating onerous regulations of little utility that make it more difficult and expensive to operate here. Also, continue to fix its retrograde tax system.

City Wide · #**17889** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 3:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by JohnIII

Well, I agree I would like that but I suppose it depends on the need of the company.

However if Comcast does need a tall building I would say why not make a 1200' roof height and make a lantern in the center up to 1300' and really make a nice somewhat modernized Art Deco with a gold texture to it.

I can't imagine a architect, developer, or corporation in this country sitting down to talk about a new building and the proposed height of said building being in the top 50 concerns for any of those players. Height is a byproduct of the needs of the client(s), and to a lesser degree the design the architect comes up with. (its doubtful that Comcast asked Lord Foster for a lantern to top off their next project) As I hope you realize that height costs money, and great height costs great amounts of money. I'm sortof just guessing here, but here in Philly where land costs in the CBD aren't a driving force (we still have lots and lots of surface parking lots just waiting to be turned into something taller) I would say you could easily build 4 400'ers for less money then 1 1200' building. Can you imagine what the new Comcast building might have looked like if Four Seasons wasn't interested in parking their hotel on top of what Comcast's NEEDS were. I've got to believe that the hotels interest, and willingness to be without a building for a number of years, was the prime factor that lead to the final design, including the height.

summersm343 · #**17890** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 12:09 PM**

PMC Property Group is planning a high rise on the Trader Joe’s parking lot at ~22nd and JFK

jsbrook · #**17891** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 1:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

PMC Property Group is planning a high rise on the Trader Joe’s parking lot at ~22nd and JFK

Right here? https://www.google.com/maps/place/2200+J...7ccee3c56f!8m2!3d39.954591!4d-75.1729947

Nice to hear! Can't imagine Trader Joe's is too happy, though. Generally, things are looking up on that stretch. The second retail spot in the Murano recently obtained a tenant after a solid 10 years (perhaps more) of vacancy.

ScreamShatter · #**17892** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 1:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Right here? https://www.google.com/maps/place/2200+J...7ccee3c56f!8m2!3d39.954591!4d-75.1729947

Nice to hear! Can't imagine Trader Joe's is too happy, though. Generally, things are looking up on that stretch. The second retail spot in the Murano recently obtained a tenant after a solid 10 years (perhaps more) of vacancy.

Maybe this will finally get Trader Joe's to do what has been needed for a while by opening a 2nd location in the city. Something on Spring Garden near NoLibs and Old City would be wise. Plenty of people who would go to it and lots of mill space with parking lots for a setup.

Kidphilly · #**17893** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Right here? https://www.google.com/maps/place/2200+J...7ccee3c56f!8m2!3d39.954591!4d-75.1729947

Nice to hear! Can't imagine Trader Joe's is too happy, though. Generally, things are looking up on that stretch. The second retail spot in the Murano recently obtained a tenant after a solid 10 years (perhaps more) of vacancy.

I would think the base could include parking or maybe this (YJs) moves to the river development.

Also I hope whatever is done if anything has JFK facing activity

Kidphilly · #**17894** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by ScreamShatter

Maybe this will finally get Trader Joe's to do what has been needed for a while by opening a 2nd location in the city. Something on Spring Garden near NoLibs and Old City would be wise. Plenty of people who would go to it and lots of mill space with parking lots for a setup.

maybe something over by the new rail park

jsbrook · #**17895** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 3:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kidphilly

I would think the base could include parking or maybe this (YJs) moves to the river development.

Also I hope whatever is done if anything has JFK facing activity

Yes, maybe it will include some parking. 23rd and Arch is not that far from the current space but just seems much further for those of us who live in Rittenhouse...I would like Trader Joe's to stay right where it is.

ScreamShatter · #**17896** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kidphilly

maybe something over by the new rail park

Maybe. I think that could potentially cannibalize sales in their existing store and not do much to expand sales. The majority of the wealth in the city is shifting/growing NE of Center City. Putting something closer to Front St between Old City and NoLibs would attract tons of people living in those areas, Fishtown, Kensington, etc. Today people living in those areas only have grocery options like ACME and IGA. Trader Joes would get a lot of business by shifting that direction.

TechTalkGuy · #**17897** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

PMC Property Group is planning a high rise on the Trader Joe’s parking lot at ~22nd and JFK

Is that right?

summersm343 · #**17898** Posted **Jun 17, 2018, 11:23 PM**

Trader Joe’s is likely moving to the new Riverwalk development at the base of the first tower.

PMC will be redeveloping the ground floor of 2121 Market and building a 25+ story tower on the parking lot behind fronting JFK. Most likely apartments but maybe office component incorporated as well.

jsbrook · #**17899** Posted **Jun 18, 2018, 1:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Trader Joe’s is likely moving to the new Riverwalk development at the base of the first tower.

PMC will be redeveloping the ground floor of 2121 Market and building a 25+ story tower on the parking lot behind fronting JFK. Most likely apartments but maybe office component incorporated as well.

Hmm...is it going to be part of/adjoined to the existing building like Mandeville Place was supposed to be with the pre-existing Rosenbluth Building? I hope they get some good retail fronting Market!

mcgrath618 · #**17900** Posted **Jun 18, 2018, 1:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

Trader Joe’s is likely moving to the new Riverwalk development at the base of the first tower.

PMC will be redeveloping the ground floor of 2121 Market and building a 25+ story tower on the parking lot behind fronting JFK. Most likely apartments but maybe office component incorporated as well.

25 stories could be anywhere between 300 and 400 ft! That's awesome for that lot!