YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[teriyaki]

Interesting they're starting remote stand ops when it's not 100percent necessary. Could be a decision to start early with small jets to smooth out the kinks prior to moving on to the big jets?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

Interesting they're starting remote stand ops when it's not 100percent necessary. Could be a decision to start early with small jets to smooth out the kinks prior to moving on to the big jets?

Not 100% sure how operations re: gate assignments work anymore. However, is it possible UA is given the option of using gates E90-95 or use gates in the "main" Transborder area and then bus to a remote stand. Perhaps they don't want to use that "temporary" satellite?

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not 100% sure how operations re: gate assignments work anymore. However, is it possible UA is given the option of using gates E90-95 or use gates in the "main" Transborder area and then bus to a remote stand. Perhaps they don't want to use that "temporary" satellite?

Or maybe it's just E93 is currently under maintenance. It haven't been used at all for the past little while...

[urbancanadian]

How does it work when they use a remote stand? My assumption is that the plane parks at a designated space away from the terminal, then all the passengers walk off the plane and onto a bus which takes everyone to the terminal.

Is that how it works? This is what happened for me in Zurich last month, which was my first experience doing this in years. But that was from a flight within the Schengen area so we didn't need to be separated and clear customs.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by urbancanadian

How does it work when they use a remote stand? My assumption is that the plane parks at a designated space away from the terminal, then all the passengers walk off the plane and onto a bus which takes everyone to the terminal.

Is that how it works? This is what happened for me in Zurich last month, which was my first experience doing this in years. But that was from a flight within the Schengen area so we didn't need to be separated and clear customs.

Being bussed to a plane has happened to me at Shanghai, Seoul, Istanbul, and as I reacall, Heathrow. It's not really that big a deal. I think any busy / growing airport might do that.

[osirisboy]

Sounds horrible, gives an impression of a sub par airport

[dharper]

I don't remember the city in Vietnam, but I was on vacation there in 2016, and we took a bus about 50' from the terminal to the plane. I think it would of been faster if we just walked straight to the plane.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Sounds horrible, gives an impression of a sub par airport

Frankly it's a pain. My worst experience was deplaning at a remote gate in Shanghai in the middle of a typhoon. No fun at all.

Having said that, remote gates are a part of many major airports in Europe and Asia -- including highly rated airports such as Singapore Changi, Hong Kong, Seoul Incheon and Munich. Not many people would consider Changi to be sub par!

It does seem to be much less common at North American airports, though, so I can understand the sentiment.

[Langdon0630]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually the great news is YVR hasn’t lost any rouge destinations. The vast majority were in the US or Mexico and those are all going to mainline anyway except for LAS.

And with AC’s longhaul options out of YVR there are very few viable markets that rouge could even take a stab at. NGO? Perhaps gone and CTS was mentioned but what other markets in Asia would have the range and / or numbers to work? Nil really!

As for Europe? Well CDG and ZRH now covered by mainline so what’s left? A couple of flights per week to some of the other larger markets? But really not many.

FYI DUB has popped up in the scheds as rouge... I am sure that will change������

Now MCO is gone...

Air Canada rouge closes Vancouver – Orlando W18 reservations
By Jim Liu

Posted11 June 2018 04:00

Air Canada in recent schedule update removed planned service on Vancouver – Orlando route, served by Air Canada rouge on seasonal basis. Originally, the airline planned to switch from Boeing 767 to Airbus A319 for this 2 weekly flights in winter 2018/19 season, however reservation for this route was closed in recent weeks.

Previously listed schedule from 19DEC18 to 24FEB19 as follows.

AC1648 YVR0840 – 1725MCO 319 37
AC1649 MCO1850 – 2150YVR 319 37

[jollyburger]

Announced back in January

The growth is also stretching YVR’s capacity to accommodate new flights pushing it to adopt so-called remote-stand operations, which started with a couple of flights in 2017.

This is where incoming flights park at specially built concrete pads on the tarmac and passengers are bused back and forth between terminals.

It is common at bigger airports such as Amsterdam’s famed Schiphol airport or Singapore’s Changi airport, Richmond said, and will be more common at YVR.

“We can’t build gates fast enough, so we will be using busing to move people to remote stands where we have aircraft parked,” Richmond said. Busing is cheaper and quicker than building a bridged gate inside the terminal.

YVR is spending $12 million to expand its remote-stand operations this summer, which will involve two locations (compared with up to $50 million to build a single air-bridged gate inside a terminal).

Richmond said about four regular flights will use the remote stands this coming summer, using covered ramps and electric buses.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/va...on-on-soaring-passenger-count-1.23152050

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Frankly it's a pain. My worst experience was deplaning at a remote gate in Shanghai in the middle of a typhoon. No fun at all.

Having said that, remote gates are a part of many major airports in Europe and Asia -- including highly rated airports such as Singapore Changi, Hong Kong, Seoul Incheon and Munich. Not many people would consider Changi to be sub par!

It does seem to be much less common at North American airports, though, so I can understand the sentiment.

If I flew into any of those airports and had to use a remote stand my impression would definitely be this isn't a great airport, no matter how big and shiny it is

[Gordon]

2 Remote stands D59 & E85 in use today.

[thenoflyzone]

How odd.

AC canceling a route with O&D above 75,000 and on the rise. Maybe AC doesn't have the right tools to serve this route. Where did I hear that before?

But yes, bye bye bad Rouge.....

[Gordon]

Which Route is AC cancelling?

[nname]

Originally Posted by gordon

which route is ac cancelling?

yvr-mco

[excel]

Sunwing introduces non-stop direct flight service from Vancouver to Costa Rica for the first time

Sunwing will be offering a weekly non-stop direct flight service from Vancouver to Liberia in Costa Rica this coming winter; departing on Sundays between December 23rd, 2018 and March 31st, 2019. The flight service is anticipated to be operated on the airline’s new Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft. Once it commences, Sunwing will be the only carrier offering this route direct from Vancouver.

http://www.sunwingtravelgroup.com/en/Our...a-Room/2018/June/Vancouver-to-Costa-Rica

[LeftCoaster]

^That's great news! One a week is not going to make a ripple in the stats but always great to have a new country on the roster and could mean more service in the future.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

This is really great to see AC mainline to ZRH and CDG. Just too bad it has to be seasonal. (I know the YVR market could not yet support year-round).
But for me, AF is expensive, plus it would be good to have a mainline from Switzerland to YVR year-round, were that possible. Maybe one day ......

Well AF flies it year round, so clearly the market can support it. I wouldn't be surprised to see AC go year round on CDG soon, especially given that they often struggle with what to do with their mainline long haul in the winter.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

How odd.

AC canceling a route with O&D above 75,000 and on the rise. Maybe AC doesn't have the right tools to serve this route. Where did I hear that before?

But yes, bye bye bad Rouge.....

Arg.

Ya I'm really on your side with this one, tough to see routes not get launched that could, and even tougher to see routes that already are launched get cut. NGO is next no doubt.

Hopefully the C series allows AC to bring MCO back on a more appropriately sized plane.

[Johnny Aussie]

The loss of a twice weekly flight to MCO is unfortunate but like I’ve said all other rouge flights have converted to mainline.
Obviously with the closing of the rouge base in YVR the options are:

1) rotate the flights through an eastern base
2) convert it to mainline
3) close the route

Perhaps it will flip over to mainline.

There are very few destinations in North America that would suit rouge that haven’t been transferred to mainline (all but MCO). Looks like VEGAS may be the only rouge route left.

I wouldn’t get too excited about this one. The overall increases next winter are pretty huge.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

FYI DUB has popped up in the scheds as rouge... I am sure that will change������

Now NGO also popped up in the schedule as rouge on this Tuesday's update, 3x weekly service starting Jun 1, 2019.

Looking at tomorrow's gate assignment, seems like UA from LAX and JL for NRT will again use remote stand...
And just noticed, after CMA moved to south terminal, gate G2 is finally being used.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Now NGO also popped up in the schedule as rouge on this Tuesday's update, 3x weekly service starting Jun 1, 2019.

Looking at tomorrow's gate assignment, seems like UA from LAX and JL for NRT will again use remote stand...
And just noticed, after CMA moved to south terminal, gate G2 is finally being used.

Next summer’s schedule is a long way off.
AC generally loads the previous summer’s schedule as a default.
However, the NGO and DUB scheds rotate with each other as of the scheds now.