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Old Posted May 30, 2018, 9:09 PM
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Other than official status, what is the Dominion Arboretum missing?
Most of the things on the list are back office things we would have no way of knowing whether the Dominion Arboretum does it up to whatever the standard is. But even if it meets the minimum definition of a botanical garden (the way the Beacon Hill shopping centre might meet the minimum definition of enclosed shopping mall), it is still pretty limited. There is haphazard labeling, no interpretation, no visitor centre, the "ornamental" component is just rows of similar plants, there is no indoor component, no specialized types of gardens (say a Japanese Garden) very limited water features, etc.

It is a nice place to go for a walk, has good tobogganing it is in a nice setting (near the lake and canal and in front of an escarpment) but it is a pretty weak botanical garden.
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Most of the things on the list are back office things we would have no way of knowing whether the Dominion Arboretum does it up to whatever the standard is. But even if it meets the minimum definition of a botanical garden (the way the Beacon Hill shopping centre might meet the minimum definition of enclosed shopping mall), it is still pretty limited. There is haphazard labeling, no interpretation, no visitor centre, the "ornamental" component is just rows of similar plants, there is no indoor component, no specialized types of gardens (say a Japanese Garden) very limited water features, etc.

It is a nice place to go for a walk, has good tobogganing it is in a nice setting (near the lake and canal and in front of an escarpment) but it is a pretty weak botanical garden.
exactly! Just go to the Montreal Botanical Gardens and see the difference. There is no significant research taking place on ornamental plants and there is little or no rare plants being added to the collection. There are no annual show gardens. It is a little bit of this and a little bit of that, but far from a tourist attraction. The Montreal Botanical Gardens is a big tourist draw. To have a top notch Botanical Gardens, requires controlled access in order to minimize trampling, and pilfering, which was commonplace in the Ornamental Gardens at the CEF.
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Old Posted May 30, 2018, 10:47 PM
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And no amusement park... Not that I care, really.
The point is we need a greater diversity of attractions, not that any one of them will appeal to everybody.
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And no amusement park... Not that I care, really.
We'll have 3 large water parks in a couple of years though.
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We'll have 3 large water parks in a couple of years though.
Two right now with Calypso and Mont Cascade. Which do you think will be the 3rd....Pro Slide near Manotick/Richmond or the one along the 401 near Prescott?
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Two right now with Calypso and Mont Cascade. Which do you think will be the 3rd....Pro Slide near Manotick/Richmond or the one along the 401 near Prescott?
Allottawata on 416: http://ottawacitizen.com/business/local-...park-finally-moving-ahead-developer-says

Was scheduled to open in 2019. Not sure what's the status right now.
Haven't heard about the one in Prescott. Make it 4 then?
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Old Posted May 31, 2018, 4:10 AM
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Allottawata on 416: http://ottawacitizen.com/business/local-...park-finally-moving-ahead-developer-says

Was scheduled to open in 2019. Not sure what's the status right now.
Haven't heard about the one in Prescott. Make it 4 then?
Here is their website. it states a 2019 date, so I would expect it to still be true.

https://www.alottawata.com

I didn’t realize that they had bought Mont Cascades to use as their research centre but found it too far away so wanted to move it closer home.
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Allottawata on 416: http://ottawacitizen.com/business/local-...park-finally-moving-ahead-developer-says

Was scheduled to open in 2019. Not sure what's the status right now.
Haven't heard about the one in Prescott. Make it 4 then?
The Prescott one is more of an overnight destination place. A bit more like Great Wolf Lodge I assume
http://www.aquaworldresort.com/
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We'll have 3 large water parks in a couple of years though.
Do we need 3 large water parks?
One would be enough if properly located.
Try to go to Calypso with OC Transpo !?
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Do we need 3 large water parks?
One would be enough if properly located.
Probably not. I would assume ProSlide will close Mont Cascades once they open Alottawata. As for Calypso, they will probalby take a hit, but they do capture a good chunk of the Montreal market as well (I know people who live in Montreal and prefer to go to Calypso). Alottawata would probably be too far away for them.

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Try to go to Calypso with OC Transpo !?
Alottawata would be smart to sponsor a shuttle (either from OC Transpo or privately run) from Barrhaven and maybe also Bayshore.
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Probably not. I would assume ProSlide will close Mont Cascades once they open Alottawata. .
I don't know about that. Depends if Mont Cascades is losing money or not. They also own the ski centre there.

And regardless of that, I don't think it would be a wise move to close Cascades and think that its clientele will mostly just shift to Alottawatta in SW Ottawa.

If you close Cascades I'd assume most of its clientele will shift to Calypso, which will I assume still be the biggest water park in the region for the foreseeable future.
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Don't they have a whole masterplan to develop the Cascades area into a four-season recreation-destination area? Would be silly to close the waterpark if you want to sell 4-season chalets and condos.
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Don't they have a whole masterplan to develop the Cascades area into a four-season recreation-destination area? Would be silly to close the waterpark if you want to sell 4-season chalets and condos.
That too. That area is worth a lot more recreationally that the area of SW Ottawa where I assume Alottawatta will be located.
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I don't know if there's a general hotel thread, but I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere.

I drove past the the Extended Stay Canada hotel on Cooper and noticed that it has closed and is being converted to apartments. I stayed there once with Hotwire, and it wasn't a bad room. Paramount now calls the building "The Carson" and indicates that there are 221 units.

https://www.paramountapts.com/location/the-carson

We've seen hotels close in downtown Ottawa, then a few new ones have opened. Are the new hotels making up for the lost capacity, or is it being offset by more closures like this?
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I don't know if there's a general hotel thread,
We do, and it's over here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=214603
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I searched for one, but limited myself to the Downtown section, hence why I didn't find it.
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I searched for one, but limited myself to the Downtown section, hence why I didn't find it.
No worries. I find the search tools on this board to be very limited. I just use Google to search and the results are usually pretty good (skyscraperpage ottawa <something>)
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Rumours fly about future of properties on south side of Beechwood Avenue

By Jane Heintzman, New Edinburgh News
June 2018


Rumors have been buzzing recently of impending property sales along Beechwood Avenue. The stretch along the street’s south side between Loyer Street (at the Quickie convenience store) and St. Charles Street (at Monson Deluxe Cleaners) has been a particular focus of speculation. Much of the block has been derelict for years, dominated by a large vacant lot and a motley collection of rundown, tenantless buildings. A number of the properties on this block are owned by the Claude Lauzon group. When the community movement to rejuvenate Beechwood was launched after the 2011 fire, this block was singled out as an unsightly scar on the commercial landscape, badly in need of redevelopment and new life. Numerous off-the-record discussions with locals close to the matter strongly suggest that change is coming, but hard facts have been difficult to pin down.

“I understand that the properties on the south side (between Quickie and Arturo’s) have been sold conditionally – subject to approval of a development application,” City Councillor Tobi Nussbaum wrote in an email to NEN. “If and when the potential owners submit a development application, it will be a public document subject to public notification and consultation processes. This will entail a large sign summarizing the proposal being placed on site, notice provided to the registered Community Associations, and a letter explaining the proposal delivered to the residents living near the site. “I’m working closely with Councillor [Mathieu] Fleury (in whose ward the properties lie) to ensure development along Beechwood is informed by the objectives of the Beechwood Community Development Plan and contributes value to our community’s main street,” Tobi confirms.

Quartier Vanier Business Improvement Area (QVBIA) Chair Mark Kaluski happens to own a business that occupies one of the properties in question. He gives a thumbs-up to the prospect of new development: “If the rumours are true, we’ll be excited to see one of the last remaining prime development sites on Beechwood developed into something modern and attractive,” he tells NEN. “It will replace a stretch of mostly derelict buildings and empty lots with an intensification project that hopefully provides new commercial options for our neighbourhood. It’s long overdue.” “My understanding is that most of the businesses involved would continue to operate either in the new space, or elsewhere on Beechwood. I understand that nothing is confirmed yet, but this would be a major improvement to the street,” says Mark. One important missing piece of the puzzle is the identity of the purchaser. Sources close to the matter speculate it is a large, internati onal property developer with a Canadian base in Toronto. NEN reached out to the company’s Toronto office for confirmation of any involvement in the Beechwood sale, but did not receive a response to our inquiry.

There is also plenty of buzz about possible property sales on the north side of Beechwood from Springfield Road to Douglas Avenue, as well as in the first block of Springfield Road between the Second Cup to Fraser Café’s Table 40. It’s our understanding that a number of properties in question are owned by Karam El Marji, formerly a small business operator on Springfield Road. We also understand that the longrunning Golden Star Chinese Food is operator-owned, and it is not among the immediate sale prospects on the block. Stay tuned for more details in our October edition, when we hope to have more information.


From: http://www.newedinburgh.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2018.06-June-NEN-Web-1.pdf, p.1
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Rumours fly about future of properties on south side of Beechwood Avenue

By Jane Heintzman, New Edinburgh News
June 2018


Rumors have been buzzing recently of impending property sales along Beechwood Avenue. The stretch along the street’s south side between Loyer Street (at the Quickie convenience store) and St. Charles Street (at Monson Deluxe Cleaners) has been a particular focus of speculation. Much of the block has been derelict for years, dominated by a large vacant lot and a motley collection of rundown, tenantless buildings. A number of the properties on this block are owned by the Claude Lauzon group. When the community movement to rejuvenate Beechwood was launched after the 2011 fire, this block was singled out as an unsightly scar on the commercial landscape, badly in need of redevelopment and new life. Numerous off-the-record discussions with locals close to the matter strongly suggest that change is coming, but hard facts have been difficult to pin down.

“I understand that the properties on the south side (between Quickie and Arturo’s) have been sold conditionally – subject to approval of a development application,” City Councillor Tobi Nussbaum wrote in an email to NEN. “If and when the potential owners submit a development application, it will be a public document subject to public notification and consultation processes. This will entail a large sign summarizing the proposal being placed on site, notice provided to the registered Community Associations, and a letter explaining the proposal delivered to the residents living near the site. “I’m working closely with Councillor [Mathieu] Fleury (in whose ward the properties lie) to ensure development along Beechwood is informed by the objectives of the Beechwood Community Development Plan and contributes value to our community’s main street,” Tobi confirms.

Quartier Vanier Business Improvement Area (QVBIA) Chair Mark Kaluski happens to own a business that occupies one of the properties in question. He gives a thumbs-up to the prospect of new development: “If the rumours are true, we’ll be excited to see one of the last remaining prime development sites on Beechwood developed into something modern and attractive,” he tells NEN. “It will replace a stretch of mostly derelict buildings and empty lots with an intensification project that hopefully provides new commercial options for our neighbourhood. It’s long overdue.” “My understanding is that most of the businesses involved would continue to operate either in the new space, or elsewhere on Beechwood. I understand that nothing is confirmed yet, but this would be a major improvement to the street,” says Mark. One important missing piece of the puzzle is the identity of the purchaser. Sources close to the matter speculate it is a large, internati onal property developer with a Canadian base in Toronto. NEN reached out to the company’s Toronto office for confirmation of any involvement in the Beechwood sale, but did not receive a response to our inquiry.

There is also plenty of buzz about possible property sales on the north side of Beechwood from Springfield Road to Douglas Avenue, as well as in the first block of Springfield Road between the Second Cup to Fraser Café’s Table 40. It’s our understanding that a number of properties in question are owned by Karam El Marji, formerly a small business operator on Springfield Road. We also understand that the longrunning Golden Star Chinese Food is operator-owned, and it is not among the immediate sale prospects on the block. Stay tuned for more details in our October edition, when we hope to have more information.


From: http://www.newedinburgh.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2018.06-June-NEN-Web-1.pdf, p.1
This is great news if it's true. I've been spending a lot more time on Beechwood lately getting work done at Starbucks, Second Cup and Bridgehead. It's the only proper main street east of downtown. Lots of potential.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2018, 8:24 PM
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This is great news if it's true. I've been spending a lot more time on Beechwood lately getting work done at Starbucks, Second Cup and Bridgehead. It's the only proper main street east of downtown. Lots of potential.
What's Montreal Road, chopped liver?

Also, the large vacant lot on the south side of Beechwood at Jolliet (I think), next to the small commercial building that has the vet clinic and other offices in it, got fenced off late last year. Did it change ownership?
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