YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Agreed. The experiment out west must have failed for them but fantastic to see mainline product replacing all rouge routes. YVR has the second highest number of mainline nonstop long haul destinations in AC’s network.... a very distant second to YYZ of course but that’s another pretty impressive statistic.

Several years back, Calin Rovinescu of AC said that YVR needed to be turned into a solid AC hub. I felt rather doubtful about it at the time, but he seems to be making good on his promise.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Thoroughly glad YVR has been derouged. It seems like just yesterday we were stuck with rouge to every destination in California, Hawaii and Mexico...mainline is here to stay hopefully!

YVR being de-rouged isnt a good thing. Make no mistake about that.

[teriyaki]

It is 100percent a good thing in my eyes. The rouge product is tough to bear for short haul and absolutely garbage for long haul operations.
The market conditions here are competitive and AC needs to be competitive both on price point and product. That's a win for customers based in YVR.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YVR being de-rouged isnt a good thing. Make no mistake about that.

Yes you never want mainline at any cost.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Yes you never want mainline at any cost.

Like NGO and the potential South America route

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Yes you never want mainline at any cost.

That's not what I said. Rouge is a tool in AC's bag to enable certain routes to be launched. YVR now has one less tool in it's bag.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

That's not what I said. Rouge is a tool in AC's bag to enable certain routes to be launched. YVR now has one less tool in it's bag.

My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. You poke fun, I poke fun. It's all good.
I know what you're saying. But so far, YVR hasn't lost too many flights over this other than NGO. Lots of mainline transfers.
Would AC Rouge try out a South American destination?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

That's not what I said. Rouge is a tool in AC's bag to enable certain routes to be launched. YVR now has one less tool in it's bag.

Fully agreed. Though I only flew Rouge once and it was pretty awful, I wish a small Rouge station was kept at YVR entirely for route launching. Perhaps they can rotate planes through but that's not going to be easy and definitely not a first option for the route planners.

[LeftCoaster]

Very interesting news, UAE and Air Canada have opened up bilateral discussions:
https://www.thenational.ae/business/avia...rates-eyes-transatlantic-routes-1.736529

This could result in a few more frequencies between the two nations (or more likely an impasse). If anything comes I hope it results in a small service increase that includes YVR. Nothing too large to be disruptive but a daily or 5xPW would be nice.

I'd be one of the most surprised faces to see Emirates or Ethiad here for anything but a diversion, but this does open up the possibility.

[Johnny Aussie]

Actually the great news is YVR hasn’t lost any rouge destinations. The vast majority were in the US or Mexico and those are all going to mainline anyway except for LAS.

And with AC’s longhaul options out of YVR there are very few viable markets that rouge could even take a stab at. NGO? Perhaps gone and CTS was mentioned but what other markets in Asia would have the range and / or numbers to work? Nil really!

As for Europe? Well CDG and ZRH now covered by mainline so what’s left? A couple of flights per week to some of the other larger markets? But really not many.

FYI DUB has popped up in the scheds as rouge... I am sure that will change������

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually the great news is YVR hasn’t lost any rouge destinations. The vast majority were in the US or Mexico and those are all going to mainline anyway except for LAS.

And with AC’s longhaul options out of YVR there are very few viable markets that rouge could even take a stab at. NGO? Perhaps gone and CTS was mentioned but what other markets in Asia would have the range and / or numbers to work? Nil really!

As for Europe? Well CDG and ZRH now covered by mainline so what’s left? A couple of flights per week to some of the other larger markets? But really not many.

FYI DUB has popped up in the scheds as rouge... I am sure that will change������

That's what I was saying so far Rouge base loss so far hasn't meant many flight losses. The future will tell of course.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually the great news is YVR hasn’t lost any rouge destinations. The vast majority were in the US or Mexico and those are all going to mainline anyway except for LAS.

And with AC’s longhaul options out of YVR there are very few viable markets that rouge could even take a stab at. NGO? Perhaps gone and CTS was mentioned but what other markets in Asia would have the range and / or numbers to work? Nil really!

As for Europe? Well CDG and ZRH now covered by mainline so what’s left? A couple of flights per week to some of the other larger markets? But really not many.

FYI DUB has popped up in the scheds as rouge... I am sure that will change������

With the exception of maybe CTS Asia undoubtedly is 'Rouged out', but I do think we are going to haev a tougher time launching service to say LIM or BCN without a couple Rouge 763s here than if we did have them. Not a big driver of PAX and growth, and well outside of YVRs strategic focus, but definitely some nice to have destinations.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually the great news is YVR hasn’t lost any rouge destinations. The vast majority were in the US or Mexico and those are all going to mainline anyway except for LAS.

And with AC’s longhaul options out of YVR there are very few viable markets that rouge could even take a stab at. NGO? Perhaps gone and CTS was mentioned but what other markets in Asia would have the range and / or numbers to work? Nil really!

HRB? FUK? SHE? CJU? LIM? PTY? GLA? PPT? KEF? MAD? BCN?

Probably all the possible Rouge 767 route out of YVR that can be even considered "really really stretching".

I wonder if CTS doable with 7M8.. probably just outside of range? If only AC picked the A321neo....

And I checked NGO through Jun 5, 2019, and it's not in the schedule. But then, for DUB, the flights in May wasn't showing up before yesterday's update, so we don't know yet....

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

That's not what I said. Rouge is a tool in AC's bag to enable certain routes to be launched. YVR now has one less tool in it's bag.

As has been mentioned the only route we will probably lose is Nagoya, which really isn that big of a deal when you think about it. The increase in quality and frequency with mainline to former rouge routes is a plus for travellers, and air canada’a long term viability out of YVR as I am sure rouge results in poor feelings towards air canada by new customers. I’ve flown rouge two or three times and it is absolute garbage, by far the worst aircraft with regard to comfort I’ve ever flown on and very young, unprofessional staff. It’s good for ac competitiveness out of YVR to operate mainline.

[SpongeG]

from facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/VancouverInternationalAirport/posts/1671452459559208


Vancouver International Airport
4 June at 06:53 ·

To celebrate Air Canada's new non-stop flights from YVR to Zurich and Paris we are giving away free tickets to BOTH of these incredible cities. Just comment below which city you'd rather visit and why and you'll be entered to win. Tell a friend! Maybe they'll bring you if they win! Contest closes June 8th, rules and regs will be posted in comments.

[Johnny Aussie]

YYZ posted its April 2018 figures today.

Overall YYZ was up 3.6% and 138,000 to almost 4,000,000.

So YVR really did clock in with a good April result up 7.7% up over 143K.

[Denscity]

Wow YVR had a higher passenger increase than YYZ?!

[LeftCoaster]

Wow, beating YYZ on an absolute basis is pretty damn impressive.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Wow, beating YYZ on an absolute basis is pretty damn impressive.

Ya which airport last did this and when? I thot this would have been impossible!

[YYCguys]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

from facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/VancouverInternationalAirport/posts/1671452459559208


Vancouver International Airport
4 June at 06:53 ·

To celebrate Air Canada's new non-stop flights from YVR to Zurich and Paris we are giving away free tickets to BOTH of these incredible cities. Just comment below which city you'd rather visit and why and you'll be entered to win. Tell a friend! Maybe they'll bring you if they win! Contest closes June 8th, rules and regs will be posted in comments.

Awe! Too bad it’s a Facebook only contest. I am eligible to enter except I don’t have, nor do I want to have, a Facebook account.