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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 6:38 PM
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I realized.. since AC usually update their online schedule on Tuesday morning... Tomorrow will be the date we know the fate of DUB and NGO?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 8:31 PM
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Another strong month for YVR, Asia Pac continues to astound:

Domestic up 5.3%
International Incl. transborder up 10.1%
International excl transborder up 14.4%

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Total pax count up 7.7% and over 143,461 compared to April 2017.

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Int'l breakdown by sector:

Transborder up 5.8%
Asia Pacific up 16.8%
Europe up 0.4%
Latin America up 21.5%

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Cargo up 16.6%


http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/...ffic-update-april-2018-website.pdf?la=en


Great month, you can see the slow in domestic/transborder with Easter being in March but wow, the Asia Pac numbers are just incredible! Not sure if Europe is an issue or just no capacity additions and stabilized loads. We'll see over the summer how the new capacity is taken up and get an idea of the health of the sector as a whole.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 8:48 PM
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For gods sake I'm aware of the industry definition of a direct flight, I'm commenting on how weird the airline definition of 'direct' is, when that flight is anything but direct.

If someone told me draw a direct line between two dots I sure wouldn't do this:



The only person on earth who would describe this as a direct line is an airline executive.
Taxi drivers do not take you "directly" to your home either. They try to take whatever route is MOST direct, but they are bound by little things like road networks, not to mention traffic lights, traffic congestion, road construction, and the choice of taking a "more direct" route along side-streets vs. taking a more comfortable route along arterials.

If any taxi driver was driving between Commercial/Broadway and Central Park in Burnaby, the most direct route would be (in-part) along Vanness Ave which parallels the Expo Line ( in part )... but no Taxi Driver is going to take that zig-zag route when they could just zip down Grandview and up Boundary ( despite the direct route being 1min faster according to map apps ).

I realize that it's weird, but in context of a plane where you're the passenger, direct just really means you don't have to leave the aluminum tube of the plane ( or your seat, usually ).

In fact, even flights that 'look' direct on a map aren't actually direct for many flights across oceans, where ETOPS rules are in place and avoiding dark clouds (mostly for reasons of passenger comfort).

I DO see what you mean if you look at a map, but from a passenger perspective, it doesn't change anything if you purchased a 10-hour flight from point A to B with a pause at Stop C. You're in the tin can for the same amount of time that you paid for... it's just that the scenery stops moving for a few hours sometime in between.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 8:51 PM
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Another strong month for YVR, Asia Pac continues to astound:
If you post it in the Canadian Airport thread, people will downplay it and claiming that most of the 7.7% are coming from China.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 9:17 PM
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If you post it in the Canadian Airport thread, people will downplay it and claiming that most of the 7.7% are coming from China.
“They” can say whatever “they” want.

I have stopped reading that thread.

If something of interest pertains to “Canada” as a whole I think that would make it more interesting.

Individual airport threads that are of interest to me will get my attention.

Anyway... as for YVR results... those numbers again are impressive.

Nice to see International was up 95,000! Strongest growth of any Canadian airport by far for those reporting already. And to see International crack over 1,000,000 pax in April! Again, only airport in Canada reporting that has done that. Wow! Of course YYZ hasn’t done that yet so YVR will have to take the #2 spot again! Great to see the growth is coming from Latin America as well. Fantastic.

Europe was pretty much status quo compared to 2017... the Air Transat flights to LGW resumed later in april and Icelandair was new for April compared to April 2017 so pretty much a wash.

Similar slowdowns in growth happened in Australia as well due to Easter travelling patterns.

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Old Posted Jun 4, 2018, 11:18 PM
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^^^^^Latin America ^^^^^^

În the stats provided by LEFTCOASTER, I'm still astonished to see the Latin America pax increases so high - beating out the usual top dog: Asia-Pacific.
I wonder if this is just Mexico, due the the elimination of the visas to there, or if it represents Mexico AND other Latin American countries as well.
At any rate, I hope it bodes well for more flights, and new destinations in Mexico, principally GDL and MTY, and maybe even, as Johnny alluded, something into South America.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 12:15 AM
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Flair update

Looks like Flair is slowly realising money cannot be made flying big planes to small places.

Already axed before even launching are YXS and YXE.

Slowly just connecting larger markets only.

YVR-YYC kicks off in a couple of weeks.

I knew they couldn’t ignore YYC either despite the competition and capacity there. If they want to put bums on seats...That’s one of the larger markets that can’t be ignored.

Also WestJet is increasing YHZ to 7 weekly this summer.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 12:45 AM
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Looks like Flair is slowly realising money cannot be made flying big planes to small places.

Already axed before even launching are YXS and YXE.

Slowly just connecting larger markets only.

YVR-YYC kicks off in a couple of weeks.

I knew they couldn’t ignore YYC either despite the competition and capacity there. If they want to put bums on seats...That’s one of the larger markets that can’t be ignored.

Also WestJet is increasing YHZ to 7 weekly this summer.
Wonder what will they do with the plane... Since in the original schedule, the plane do YEG-YXE-YEG-YXS-YVR-YLW-YYC on 46 and return on 37... now half of the run got cancelled leaving only YVR-YLW-YYC segment... what would they do with the plane at YVR? Maybe they found some charter work out of YVR? or deadhead it back to YEG/YYC in the middle of the day?

Also, not related to YVR, but YEG-YYZ-YHZ now becomes YEG-YHM-YHZ... I guess they're taking swoop head-on?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 1:49 AM
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Wonder what will they do with the plane... Since in the original schedule, the plane do YEG-YXE-YEG-YXS-YVR-YLW-YYC on 46 and return on 37... now half of the run got cancelled leaving only YVR-YLW-YYC segment... what would they do with the plane at YVR? Maybe they found some charter work out of YVR? or deadhead it back to YEG/YYC in the middle of the day?

Also, not related to YVR, but YEG-YYZ-YHZ now becomes YEG-YHM-YHZ... I guess they're taking swoop head-on?
Don’t know about their utilisation though.

They’ve basically transferred one of the two planned daily YEG-YYZ to one each of YEG-YHM and YEG-YYZ. The YHZ flight was moved from YYZ to YHM as well.

There is going to be quite a lot of capacity on certain routes... let the games begin!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 1:52 AM
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Don’t know about their utilisation though.

They’ve basically transferred one of the two planned daily YEG-YYZ to one each of YEG-YHM and YEG-YYZ. The YHZ flight was moved from YYZ to YHM as well.

There is going to be quite a lot of capacity on certain routes... let the games begin!!
Gate availability issues at YYZ T3 forced flair to move some flights to YHM.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 2:45 AM
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Gate availability issues at YYZ T3 forced flair to move some flights to YHM.
Looks like a fail on their due diligence. Talk about throwing a spanner in the works.

When I used to be in public practice (I’m a CPA, CA and worked in M&A for awhile) that would be a fairly fundamental part of a model... do we have slot/gate space available?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 4:46 AM
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I really want Westjet to keep that YVR-YHZ direct year round....
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 5:05 AM
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Gate availability issues at YYZ T3 forced flair to move some flights to YHM.
Does YYZ not have hard stands that can be used when all gates are occupied? It is quite poor planning on the airport authority side if they are turning away airlines.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 5:08 AM
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I really want Westjet to keep that YVR-YHZ direct year round....
That's such a long thin route though. And very little feed on either end to keep planes full in the winter. They have their main base at YYC with plenty of feed options. This route will rely (mainly) on O&D.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 5:16 AM
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I really want Westjet to keep that YVR-YHZ direct year round....
If anything, I could see AC fly the route with CS3 to feed to their Australia flight (morning departure and evening arrival to/from YVR). Other than that, there's probably not enough demand in the winter. WS will probably try to make you connect at YYC in the low-season...

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Seems like next summer AC will operate daily HNL and 5x weekly OGG.

For Mexico, CUN seems to be 2x weekly and PVR is still 1x weekly.

All with 7M8. Frequency is as of the last week of May and first week of June.

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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 8:14 PM
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Seems like next summer AC will operate daily HNL and 5x weekly OGG.

For Mexico, CUN seems to be 2x weekly and PVR is still 1x weekly.

All with 7M8. Frequency is as of the last week of May and first week of June.
AC isn’t flying to CUN this summer from YVR so perhaps they are bringing it back summer 2019.

12 weekly 7M8 to Hawaii in the summer sounds like a better fit than 7 weekly rouge 763s.

YVR seems to continue to roll very well with AC.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2018, 8:39 PM
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12 weekly 7M8 to Hawaii in the summer sounds like a better fit than 7 weekly rouge 763s.
And a 3.5% boost in capacity
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2018, 12:32 AM
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Thoroughly glad YVR has been derouged. It seems like just yesterday we were stuck with rouge to every destination in California, Hawaii and Mexico...mainline is here to stay hopefully!
     
     
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That's such a long thin route though. And very little feed on either end to keep planes full in the winter. They have their main base at YYC with plenty of feed options. This route will rely (mainly) on O&D.
I know you're right. I have hopes for a AC CS300 direct flight... But now theres lots of decent one connection options. I just try to do YVR-YYC-YHZ on WS to avoid what is inevitably a PIA connection in Toronto with a young child and all the "equipment" they require.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2018, 6:53 AM
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Thoroughly glad YVR has been derouged. It seems like just yesterday we were stuck with rouge to every destination in California, Hawaii and Mexico...mainline is here to stay hopefully!
Agreed. The experiment out west must have failed for them but fantastic to see mainline product replacing all rouge routes. YVR has the second highest number of mainline nonstop long haul destinations in AC’s network.... a very distant second to YYZ of course but that’s another pretty impressive statistic.
     
     
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