YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 650

thenoflyzone · #**12981** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 12:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I know the weird airline lingo definition, but that's hardly direct.... It's 800 miles out of the way.

its a 16% increase in total distance flown. Not the end of the world. And there is nothing weird about the lingo.

casper · #**12982** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

No they haven't for at least 15 years, I'm not sure when it was Canadian Airlines, but not since at least the merger.

I have a feeling DUB will go mainline with a 330 or something, and maybe rotate with YUL. I don't think they will want to let that route go, but we shall see!

In the past Canadian Airlines and Air France were close partners. That was before the existence of alliances. I don't know if they ever went to Paris.

When One World came along, Canadian moved to being a strong partner with its OneWorld alliance partners.

LeftCoaster · #**12983** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

And there is nothing weird about the lingo.

If I got into a taxi and the cabby said "I'll take you directly home", then stopped at his pals house 10 minutes out of the way for a cup of tea, then took me home, I would say he did not fulfill his promise.

The airline industry is the only group on earth that stops somewhere not necessarily on the way and still calls it direct.

It is most certainly weird.

lubicon · #**12984** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I know the weird airline lingo definition, but that's hardly direct.... It's 800 miles out of the way.

That is the very definition of direct. Non stop is another thing altogether.

deasine · #**12985** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I know the weird airline lingo definition, but that's hardly direct.... It's 800 miles out of the way.

It is direct, just not non-stop.

I assume though that the "same-plane" benefits to customers won't really be realized in the inbound direction as I assume they will be operating it as a domestic flight requiring customers to disembark, clear, and re-embark again. It doesn't seem like AC will be operating this as an "international" leg.

LeftCoaster · #**12986** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 9:36 PM**

For gods sake I'm aware of the industry definition of a direct flight, I'm commenting on how weird the airline definition of 'direct' is, when that flight is anything but direct.

If someone told me draw a direct line between two dots I sure wouldn't do this:

The only person on earth who would describe this as a direct line is an airline executive.

deasine · #**12987** Posted **Jun 1, 2018, 9:40 PM**

Apologies for whatever reason I didn't read the last post of the thread.

nname · #**12988** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 1:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Hope you're right about KIX, considering NGO is almost certainly getting the axe hopefully service to KIX doesn't take a big hit, or hit at all.

I checked the seat map for the first 2 flights of the season to NGO... They are... pretty bad right now. I guess most people haven't pick their seat yet? But... there are much more empty seat than taken seat in Y, and PY have a load of 1 or 2...

The third flight was much better though.

osirisboy · #**12989** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 2:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

If I got into a taxi and the cabby said "I'll take you directly home", then stopped at his pals house 10 minutes out of the way for a cup of tea, then took me home, I would say he did not fulfill his promise.

The airline industry is the only group on earth that stops somewhere not necessarily on the way and still calls it direct.

It is most certainly weird.

I actually never knew this. That's misleading advertising and makes no sense

casper · #**12990** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 2:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

I actually never knew this. That's misleading advertising and makes no sense

The passenger railway I believe uses similar terminology. Not certain about bus lines.

When aviation first started, you could not fly cross country non-stop. However you had direct service. Here an early Air Canada schedule. Toronto to Vancouver involved 6 stops.
http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/tc40/tc40-2.jpg
(Link from this collection http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ac.htm).

These direct flights as well as the longer milk-runs are rare these days. In the 90s I regularly would fly Vancouver-Ottawa (with a stop in Winnipeg) on an Air Canada DC-9. That aircraft can't cover that distance non-stop and the timing of the non-stop flight never work for me.

WestJet use to have a milk run until about 5 years ago that I would use from London Ontario-Winnipeg-Saskatoon-Calgary-Vancouver-Prince George. The next morning it would turn about and do the reverse. I was regularly flying between London and Saskatoon. Best option by the way and faster than any other run.

Foreign airlines sometimes also do these. I flew the Chicago-Regina-Saskatoon flight a few times. Operated by a United connector, they did not carry local passengers between Regina and Saskatoon. For that reason you cleared Canadian customers in Saskatoon. Again a much better option than having to deal with a connecting flight.

Alexcaban · #**12991** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

I checked the seat map for the first 2 flights of the season to NGO... They are... pretty bad right now. I guess most people haven't pick their seat yet? But... there are much more empty seat than taken seat in Y, and PY have a load of 1 or 2...

The third flight was much better though.

I can confirm, June 2nd flight has less then 100 people booked, but its still early in the season.

However I really don't see NGO sticking around after this summer.

Johnny Aussie · #**12992** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 6:37 AM**

Meanwhile....

AC37 is in the air on its way here!

YVR-MEL is now connected year-round

Looks like it might touch down at Tullamarine just before 0800 our time tomorrow... don’t think I can be stuffed heading out this time.

Great news... now if we can get YVR and SIN connected all three of my homes will be connected with nonstop (direct

) flights

And it looks like their inaugural ceremony at YVR had a cake trying to replicate our laneways in Melbourne? I think that's what that is supposed to be.

YYCguys · #**12993** Posted **Jun 2, 2018, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Great news... now if we can get YVR and SIN connected all three of my homes will be connected with nonstop (direct

) flights

THREE homes?!?! My goodness, lucky and fortunate you! I can barely make ends meet to keep one home, let alone three!

(Sorry, off topic...but I am duely impressed with JA!)

Johnny Aussie · #**12994** Posted **Jun 3, 2018, 6:47 PM**

And here is Melbourne Airport’s Facebook post and video about the new YVR-MEL year-round flights. Both airports longest nonstop route.

Nice to always see how the other end of a new route sees it.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2174149525945330&id=213235072036795&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

SpongeG · #**12995** Posted **Jun 3, 2018, 8:52 PM**

i'm flying that route in july

trofirhen · #**12996** Posted **Jun 4, 2018, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

i'm flying that route in july

Great!! Given Melbourne's top ranking, in transit, parks, architecture, lighting, name it ... /// could I ask you take some pictures if you are able? If yes, an opportunity to learn.

Johnny Aussie · #**12997** Posted **Jun 4, 2018, 12:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

i'm flying that route in july

Excellent! Coming for work or holiday?

Hope you enjoy your trip either way. I’ve been here over 14 years and it keeps growing on me. Miss Canada a lot but I think I’m here for good... who knows really

SpongeG · #**12998** Posted **Jun 4, 2018, 12:46 AM**

going to Perth to see family and meet family I've never met, Will spend 2 days in Melbourne fly to Perth, spend time there, fly to Sydney spend time there and then fly back Sydney - Vancouver. I had to match the booking the travel agent made for my mom, It was only a few weeks later I decided to go too. Not my choice of route but it will be good.

Johnny Aussie · #**12999** Posted **Jun 4, 2018, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

going to Perth to see family and meet family I've never met, Will spend 2 days in Melbourne fly to Perth, spend time there, fly to Sydney spend time there and then fly back Sydney - Vancouver. I had to match the booking the travel agent made for my mom, It was only a few weeks later I decided to go too. Not my choice of route but it will be good.

Fantastic. You’ll rack up quite a few miles! Good to support the direct flight at least one direction

Let me know if you have any questions... happy to help

zahav · #**13000** Posted **Jun 4, 2018, 7:36 AM**

I posted this in the Canada Airport's thread, but has a lot of local significance:

Just found this article discussing China Southern ditching Skyteam and joining One World. I wonder if there's any truth to it? It focuses a lot on the impact to Cathay Pacific since Guangzhou and Hong Kong are so close. Interestingly it mentions several of Cathay Pacific's ties to *Alliance members, and Air Canada did just enter into a codeshare agreement with Cathay after they split with WS. Would be a big shake-up for the alliances!

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/e...yteam-alliance