Canadian Airport Thread - Page 307

le calmar · #**6121** Posted **May 18, 2018, 1:25 PM**

Unless they don't have any other alternative, they seem to provide service to the cheapest options in the area similar to the low cost airlines in Europe servicing Stansted, Beauvais, etc. I am expecting them to provide service to St.Hubert instead of YUL once their expansions plans to accommodate larger aircrafts are complete.

1overcosc · #**6122** Posted **May 18, 2018, 2:36 PM**

Even with Swoop now launched and Flair's recent expansion, no ULCC service at all to Montreal or Ottawa.

thenoflyzone · #**6123** Posted **May 18, 2018, 3:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

Having said that, there was a British carrier (the name escapes me), from years past, that briefly flew to Hamilton and did indeed market it as “Toronto John Munro International”. It was funny to hear that!

FlyGlobespan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyglobespan

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Originally Posted by le calmar

I am expecting them to provide service to St.Hubert instead of YUL once their expansions plans to accommodate larger aircrafts are complete.

We'll see what happens. YHU has a long way to go to make itself attrative to LCCs.

DoubleK · #**6124** Posted **May 18, 2018, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Not the first time they mention it, but Southwest Airlines (WN) is again interested in launching services to Canada. Services will be based out of BWI, and the airline is looking to partner up with another carrier to offer TATL service.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/67271-southwest-airlines-eyes-baltimore-as-canada-tatl-hub

BWI is WN's second largest hub by daily departures.

I wish they'd do PHX-YYC.

DrNest · #**6125** Posted **May 18, 2018, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

They don't advertise "Vancouver" , it's Abbotsford pure and simple, calling it "vancouver to toronto" instead of "abbotsford to hamilton" is crazy to me. But that is who they are targetting for sure

For a long time many of the LCC's in Europe were notorious for marketing an airport as being in a certain city, when in fact often they were well over and hour's drive away.
One of the worst cases I recall was Ryanair marketing Malmö in Sweden as Denmark's Copenhagen. Although not horrendously far in distance, it wasn't even in the same country! It caused several issues for visitors that required visas that weren't aware they weren't actually flying into Denmark.

thenoflyzone · #**6126** Posted **May 19, 2018, 3:34 PM**

YUL April 2018 numbers.

Total passengers: 1,482,221 +2.3% (April 2017 was up 17% over April 2016)
Domestic: 537,541 +1.1% (+12% last year)
International: 575,898 +1.8% (+25% last year)
Transborder: 368,782 +4.8% (+11.8% last year)

So a modest increase compared to last year, but accounting for last years' tremendous growth in April, the 2 year growth average isn't too bad.

Easter traffic was during March, plus the shitty weather we had in April (freezing rain, canceled flights) can help partly explain the weak numbers.

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/files/2018/ADM_Statsdet_2018_EN.pdf

Denscity · #**6127** Posted **May 19, 2018, 4:56 PM**

Lots of excuses there. Let's see if other airports have such a dip.

G.S MTL · #**6128** Posted **May 19, 2018, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Lots of excuses there. Let's see if other airports have such a dip.

funny guy, but its true... weather was terrible in Montreal for almost the entire month of April.

New routes beginning this month and next... so summer months will be great for pax traffic. we shall see.

Denscity · #**6129** Posted **May 19, 2018, 5:15 PM**

Did you guys have massive flight cancellations due to weather?
If so I know what that's like.
YCG is famous for this

thenoflyzone · #**6130** Posted **May 19, 2018, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Lots of excuses there.

Only 2, actually.

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Let's see if other airports have such a dip.

Let's see if other airports will have a 19.7% increase in April 2018 vs April 2016.....

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Did you guys have massive flight cancellations due to weather?
If so I know what that's like.
YCG is famous for this

Massive no, but enough to make a dent on the pax numbers. Toronto got some nasty weather as well. Will be interesting to see the GTAA's stats.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4192100/april-ice-storm-cost-ontario-quebec/

Alexcaban · #**6131** Posted **May 19, 2018, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Lots of excuses there. Let's see if other airports have such a dip.

Air France was also on strike for almost a week, we didn't have any flights to CDG. So that is double 77W service lost.

cyeg66 · #**6132** Posted **May 20, 2018, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Lots of excuses there. Let's see if other airports have such a dip.

Lol. Now now, remember BC and Quebec are best of buds...

GreaterMontréal · #**6133** Posted **May 20, 2018, 3:36 PM**

Easter was in March.

thenoflyzone · #**6134** Posted **May 20, 2018, 5:02 PM**

StatsCan published its annual stats for aircraft movements this past week.

2017 annual aircraft movements for airports with a control tower

2017 annual aircraft movements for airports with FSS (flight service stations). Of note, YMX handled over 53,000 movements. 2nd busiest FSS in the country, after Red Deer, Alberta. NavCan is conducting an aeronautical review to determine if a control tower should be reopened, on account of the volume and mix of traffic YMX sees.

2017 annual aircraft movement statistics - major airports

As mentioned a few weeks ago (from my compilation of the monthly data that was released), YUL regained 3rd spot in terms of movements in 2017. First time since 1989.

osirisboy · #**6135** Posted **May 20, 2018, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YUL April 2018 numbers.

Total passengers: 1,482,221 +2.3% (April 2017 was up 17% over April 2016)
Domestic: 537,541 +1.1% (+12% last year)
International: 575,898 +1.8% (+25% last year)
Transborder: 368,782 +4.8% (+11.8% last year)

So a modest increase compared to last year, but accounting for last years' tremendous growth in April, the 2 year growth average isn't too bad.

Easter traffic was during March, plus the shitty weather we had in April (freezing rain, canceled flights) can help partly explain the weak numbers.

https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/files/2018/ADM_Statsdet_2018_EN.pdf

Oh wow!! Montreal taking a nose dive!

Denscity · #**6136** Posted **May 20, 2018, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by cyeg66

Lol. Now now, remember BC and Quebec are best of buds...

Absolutely! The pipeline thing, the two most liberal provinces in the country, tons of Québécois snowboarders in Whistler, and I like Montreal a lot.

GreaterMontréal · #**6137** Posted **May 21, 2018, 12:21 AM**

Last year was also Montréal's 375th, and Canada's 150th.

SkahHigh · #**6138** Posted **May 21, 2018, 4:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Oh wow!! Montreal taking a nose dive!

Don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not, but I’d wait until the May stats are out

Denscity · #**6139** Posted **May 21, 2018, 2:40 PM**

Montreal and Vancouver are also hockey riot bros.

thenoflyzone · #**6140** Posted **May 21, 2018, 3:00 PM**

CAAC will ease "one route, one airline" policy for Chinese carriers, starting Oct 1, 2018. Still a lot of restrictions in place for Category II intl long haul routes, which Canada is part of.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china...olicy-for-chinese-carriers-idUSKCN1IF0SR

Based on the details being discussed over on airliners, the new policy is still heavily skewed in CA's favor.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1394075

Unless the Canada-China bilateral is renegotiated, which I don't see happening, especially if the Conservatives return to power next year, Chinese carriers will still be maxed out and won't be able to take advantage of this new ruling.