Phoenix Development News (3)

[gymratmanaz]

I too love that entrance artwork sculpture!!!

[Phxguy]

It was interesting in First Friday how the sculpture was lit up with alternating lights. I mean, it’s not praying mantis that spouts flames like Vegas’ container park, but it’s still pretty cool!

[CrestedSaguaro]

I got to be honest, I am not too jazzed about the Churchill. It looks like a junkyard rehab to me. The containers are beat the heck out of. Do they have any plan to paint these or leave them as is?

Sorry if I am the minority on this. I just think it could have been done much better

[biggus diggus]

I think it has character and is interesting. Do you prefer everything to look uniform and new?

[ASUSunDevil]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

I got to be honest, I am not too jazzed about the Churchill. It looks like a junkyard rehab to me. The containers are beat the heck out of. Do they have any plan to paint these or leave them as is?

Sorry if I am the minority on this. I just think it could have been done much better

They're definitely targeting a younger/hipster crowd with an extremely industrial look. They used a great architect (same as The Oscar) and it might take seeing the final product/landscaping to change your mind.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil

They're definitely targeting a younger/hipster crowd with an extremely industrial look. They used a great architect (same as The Oscar) and it might take seeing the final product/landscaping to change your mind.

I love the Oscar. If Churchill were to have that rusted look, I would be all up for it. Just not a fan of the containers "as-is". The art cut-out is a good touch though. I need to come by after dark to see it lit up.

[Obadno]

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news...vote-on-18m-bakery-development-deal.html

I’m posting this as an example of a very important economic trend that’s been noticed here, the Phoenix light industrial base has been going through MASSIVE growth, with industrial space being leased up faster than we can build it.

This is great news for our economic health. We have huge growth for working class manufacturing and logistics and middle-high class tech and financial industries.

This is a huge shift from our former pre 2008 agriculture/construction econemy that made Arizona so particularly hobbled by the recession. The diversification of our state econemy is a very good sign for stable and continued growth.

[combusean]

Light industrial and warehousing was booming before the Great Recession.

But this is the exact opposite of what should be going in two blocks from a light rail station. Put this in the avenues with all the other warehousing and light industrial.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by combusean

Light industrial and warehousing was booming before the Great Recession.

But this is the exact opposite of what should be going in two blocks from a light rail station. Put this in the avenues with all the other warehousing and light industrial.

If you're referring to the Churchill, I would agree. The warehouse district would be perfect for these types of developments.

[ASUSunDevil]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

If you're referring to the Churchill, I would agree. The warehouse district would be perfect for these types of developments.

Combusean is referring to the Hines article.

The Churchill will be a 'grungier' version of Desoto with great food/drink options. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the final product.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil

Combusean is referring to the Hines article.

The Churchill will be a 'grungier' version of Desoto with great food/drink options. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the final product.

Ah, OK. I couldn't read the article from my cell, so I just assumed it was referencing developments like Churchill since that was the topic we were kinda on when Obadno posted the link. Thanks for the clarification.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by combusean

Light industrial and warehousing was booming before the Great Recession.

But this is the exact opposite of what should be going in two blocks from a light rail station. Put this in the avenues with all the other warehousing and light industrial.

Whoa negative Nancy, Two blocks from a light rail station in a blighted industrial area and its employees are the types of people most likely to use/need lightrail for commuting.

[b1n9]

Originally Posted by combusean

Light industrial and warehousing was booming before the Great Recession.

But this is the exact opposite of what should be going in two blocks from a light rail station. Put this in the avenues with all the other warehousing and light industrial.

I agree with you on this part of your sentence. "But this is the exact opposite of what should be going in two blocks from a light rail station." It is strange to me to see light commercial was approved for this space. I think it will still be nice in the end but I also think it is the opposite of what should be there and will be torn down in 10-20 years for more density.

[muertecaza]

Interesting plan review filed yesterday. Proposal is for 224 apartments at vacant land at 5240 E. Washington near the new 50th St. light rail station.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4462051,...PUufW27AzmN2Dli6ZVolA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Architect is CCBG, the LLC appears to be formed by Aspirant--the Stewart developer. Proposes 4 'pods' of buildings; 3 of the 4 would be 3 stories, but one would be 21 stories.

Seems far-fetched but I'm all for it if they can pull it off.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by muertecaza

Interesting plan review filed yesterday. Proposal is for 224 apartments at vacant land at 5240 E. Washington near the new 50th St. light rail station.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4462051,...PUufW27AzmN2Dli6ZVolA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Architect is CCBG, the LLC appears to be formed by Aspirant--the Stewart developer. Proposes 4 'pods' of buildings; 3 of the 4 would be 3 stories, but one would be 21 stories.

Seems far-fetched but I'm all for it if they can pull it off.

There's no way FAA will approve the 21 story tower, It's almost directly in the flight path and just barely 1 mile from runway 26.

EDIT: Looks like the MSL restriction is right around 1300' for that area. This would barely allow for about 75' maximum height, give or take.

2nd Edit: Looks like the auto-generated hold for that site shows an MSL of 1425. Higher than the FAA maps say it should be. Does anyone know what the ground elevation is for that address? It would be interesting if this were to actually get approved.

[combusean]

It is 1425 MSL, you're looking at the map wrong.

http://www.skyharbor.com/docs/default-so...airport-height-restrictions.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Site elevation is just shy of 1200'--Google has a terrain feature. So yeah, they can do it.

Still a bizarre concept. 21 story tower and at the end of the day its 36 du/acre, like a third of what, eg, iLuminate is.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by combusean

It is 1425 MSL, you're looking at the map wrong.

http://www.skyharbor.com/docs/default-so...airport-height-restrictions.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Site elevation is just shy of 1200'--Google has a terrain feature. So yeah, they can do it.

Still a bizarre concept. 21 story tower and at the end of the day its 36 du/acre, like a third of what, eg, iLuminate is.

That's the map I went by. The site would be just inside the approach zone which should be 1300'. They cut out Tempe on that map, so it's hard to say for sure. The tower would be around 250' for 21 floors. For being that dang close to the runway/flightpath, it's hard to believe some spots in Downtown Phoenix gets grief being nearly 2 1/2 times that distance. Just saying.

[combusean]

I don't know where you're seeing 1300, that's way west of the site. Certainly not in the approach zone...



The 1425 above is the site.

[b1n9]

I used to live over by that area this is a very strange spot for a 21 story building, however it is trying to take advantage of the new 50th St. Light Rail Station and I believe the area is on the infill city proposal.

Nonetheless interesting and will stand out a bit I guess and be larger than the core area for camelback east at 44th and van buren.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by combusean

I don't know where you're seeing 1300, that's way west of the site. Certainly not in the approach zone...The 1425 above is the site.

Looking closer at the map on my PC, you are correct that it would be 1425'. But just barely though. It is only about a 1/10th of a mile North of the approach zone (shaded in red below) which is 1300' MSL.



So, the proposed tower would be very close to the flight path either way. I lived just north of there on Van Buren for nearly 5 years and I used to ride my bike to the dead-end street directly across from this proposed location. The planes fly directly above the dead-end at about 350 feet landing at 26. I've seen many planes do go-around's right over this location (including the BA 747 which was really awesome to see!). I made a map of the area I am talking about:



The proposed address is listed and the black circle is the dead end I am referring to. You can see how close this is. It will be interesting if FAA doesn't have a little bit of an issue regardless of the listed MSL. If they allow it, great! Not trying to compare apples to oranges or debate anything. Just pointing out how close this is.