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Old Posted Apr 30, 2018, 6:36 AM
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Well with the Mayor not running in October and likely the Surrey First slate getting a run for their money, we could very well see the LRT concept as it is die by year's end and some real sense enter back into the equation.

It isn't a sure thing that's for sure, but I really think the LRT concept was simply the brain child of Diane Watts to pressure the Province and Translink to invest in transit within Surrey, and she never had any intention of actually building the thing.
Wait, the champion of the LRT is not even running?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2018, 7:33 AM
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Wait, the champion of the LRT is not even running?
Yup, she announced it three weeks ago. A smart politician never stays around to face the music; better to drop out than get booted out.
     
     
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Cross posting this from the transit thread: as I had assumed the Surrey LRT is coming in far less that initial estimates at ~1.7 B not 2.6B, ("Surrey-Newton-Guildford LRT will be 1.65B,").
Wrong again, the original 2.6 billion estimate was for the entire 27KM long system (including the extension to Langley).

So 1.7 billion for just 10KM (more expensive than the superior Evergreen Line) does seem to be in line with a major increase.
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The original estimate was 1.24B (year of expenditure) or 1.08B (2015$).

The current estimate is 1.65B (year of expenditure) or 1.5B (2018$).

The cost increase is approximately 33%.
     
     
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Old Posted May 1, 2018, 4:34 AM
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I’m really scared right now. There was a tweet that said that TransLink will plan and design work for the Langley LRT. Sounds like they’ve already moved on.
     
     
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Cross posting this from the transit thread: as I had assumed the Surrey LRT is coming in far less that initial estimates at ~1.7 B not 2.6B, ("Surrey-Newton-Guildford LRT will be 1.65B,").
Prices are not "coming in" at anything yet. There are no shortlisted firms for the project, and the RFP isn't issued. You won't find out the actual construction costs until then.
     
     
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Prices are not "coming in" at anything yet. There are no shortlisted firms for the project, and the RFP isn't issued. You won't find out the actual construction costs until then.
Holy fuck so they're just lying all the time. Whatever happened to construction starts in 2019? Let's hope they just keep dragging this thing out and it never gets built like the George Massey Bridge.
     
     
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Old Posted May 1, 2018, 8:20 PM
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I’m really scared right now. There was a tweet that said that TransLink will plan and design work for the Langley LRT. Sounds like they’ve already moved on.
The direction they get from elected officials, namely the Mayors' Council, is what they have to go with. As we know in politics, things can change quickly. So can't really blame TransLink for planning for this already, but it doesn't mean that all is lost either. All they can work with is the direction they have at any given moment.
     
     
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30 April 2018

200,000 Total Riders per Day on Broadway Subway and Surrey LRT in 2025

Vancouver British Columbia - Further details on the designs of the underground Millennium Line extension on Broadway to Arbutus Street and the Surrey Newton Guildford LRT (SNG) will likely not be released until later this year when project-specific public consultations get going, but TransLink today provided more details relating to the construction costs, train frequencies, capacity, and forecasted ridership of the new rail systems.

Both projects combined will generate nearly 200,000 daily boardings to the regional transit system upon opening in the mid-2020s.

Broadway Extension

When it opens in 2025, trains on the 5.7 kilometre long Broadway Extension will run every three to four minutes during peak periods and every six to eight minutes during off-peak periods.

Its initial capacity using 80 metre length platforms, following the standard of the existing Expo Line and Millennium Line stations, will be set at 7,100 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd), which is a capacity increase of 255 percent over the existing 99 B-Line service.

As it is a seamless part of the Millennium Line system, its ultimate future capacity with longer trains and higher frequencies is close to 25,000 pphpd.

While the project now carries a $2.83 billion construction cost, the projected ridership potential is providing the future-proof extension with extreme value in return.

TransLink anticipates 140,000 passengers per day will use the extension upon opening in 2025, which likely assumes that many of the 100,000 bus passengers that currently use the bus services on the Broadway corridor will be transplanted onto the SkyTrain extension.

Of this figure of the corridor's existing bus ridership, over 55,000 bus passengers are on the 99 B-Line, which is already the region's busiest bus route.

This is on top of new transit ridership the extension will generate.

All of this means the Broadway Extension will be just as busy as the much longer Canada Line's present day ridership of between 130,000-140,000 per day.

For further comparison, during the $2.1 billion Canada Line's inaugural year in 2009-2010, its daily ridership ranged from 90,000 to 100,000 per day.

And it will be nearly five times busier than the recently completed $1.4 billion, 11 kilometre long Evergreen Extension, which currently draws about 30,000 riders per day.

Looking at the system as a whole, the Broadway Extension's opening day ridership would account for about 40 percent of the entire existing ridership of the Expo Line and Millennium Line network.

These are the extension's six station locations (Note: These station names are for this article's descriptive purposes only):

VCC-Clark Station;
Great Northern Way-Thornton Street;
Broadway-Main Street;
Broadway-Cambie Street (direct underground connection to the Canada Line platforms);
Broadway-Oak Street;
Broadway-Granville Street;
Broadway-Arbutus Street.
The travel time from the new section of track starting just west of VCC-Clark Station to the Millennium Line's new western terminus at Arbutus Street will be about 11 minutes.

This is roughly half of the travel time of the 99 B-Line on the same span starting from Commercial-Broadway Station.

West of Arbutus Street, the extension will be designed and built to allow for a future seamless subway extension to UBC's Point Grey campus.

While funding has not been allocated for the remaining journey to UBC, TransLink says Phase Two allows for further technical planning work to be conducted.

Surrey Newton-Guildford LRT

TransLink says the $1.65 billion Surrey Newton-Guildford (SNG) LRT will have 11 new stations and run within dedicated train-only travel lanes with extensive traffic signal prioritization.

The L-shaped, ground-level, light rail transit route will run from Guildford Town Centre to Surrey City Centre on 104 Avenue and from Surrey City Centre to Newton Exchange on King George Boulevard.

From end-to-end, the travel time will be approximately 22 minutes, with the span from Guildford and Surrey Centre taking about nine minutes and from Newton to King George Station taking about 13 minutes.

Trains will run every five minutes during peak periods and every 7.5 minutes during mid-day and off-peak periods.

An initial fleet of 16 modern, accessible, low-floor, light rail trains will be acquired.

Ridership projections for the SNG LRT are pegged at: 42,000 to 46,000 per day upon opening in 2024, 51,000 to 55,000 per day in 2030, and 71,000 to 77,000 per day in 2045.

TransLink says passenger demand on the existing 96 B-Line traveling on the exact same route as the SNG LRT will exceed capacity within 10 years, and increased traffic congestion without bus-only lanes and traffic signal prioritization will slow down the B-Line on 104 Avenue and King George Boulevard.

The current ridership on the 96 B-Line is about 13,100 per day, up from 8,950 per day in 2013.

Its existing end-to-end travel time is about 28 minutes.

These are the extension's 11 station locations (Note: These station names are for this article's descriptive purposes only):

104 Avenue-152 Street (Guildford Exchange);
104 Avenue-148 Street;
104 Avenue-144 Street;
104 Avenue-140 Street;
Surrey Central Station (connection to Expo Line);
King George Station (connection to Expo Line);
King George Boulevard-96 Avenue;
King George Boulevard-88 Avenue;
King George Boulevard-80 Avenue;
King George Boulevard-76 Avenue;
King George Boulevard-72 Avenue (Newton Exchange).

Preliminary technical planning will also continue for the second phase of the Surrey LRT project along Fraser Highway between King George Station and Langley Centre.

This second phase accounts for 16 kilometres of the total 26 kilometre long LRT network south of the Fraser.

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Old Posted May 2, 2018, 2:55 AM
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Preliminary technical planning will also continue for the second phase of the Surrey LRT project along Fraser Highway between King George Station and Langley Centre.

This second phase accounts for 16 kilometres of the total 26 kilometre long LRT network south of the Fraser.
You gotta be kidding me, right?
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2018, 4:39 AM
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You gotta be kidding me, right?
Calm your tits, man. They're just exploring all the options - it's entirely possible that just like the Evergreen, they'll be THIS close to getting shovels in the ground when the whole thing gets switched to SkyTrain by Surrey or Victoria.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2018, 5:05 AM
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Calm your tits, man. They're just exploring all the options - it's entirely possible that just like the Evergreen, they'll be THIS close to getting shovels in the ground when the whole thing gets switched to SkyTrain by Surrey or Victoria.
Pardon my tone. I’m just overwhelmed by the media saying that “TransLink’ll will [insert verb here] for the Surrey-Langley LRT”.

That reminds me of what flipper said about the GMB, but I don’t think Victoria—the NDP—will risk shelving the Phase II LRT because of “their constituents”. It’s more likely within the powers of Surrey that will change the current plan. I could be wrong though, because the original Millennium “T” Line was planned as LRT throughout the 90s.
     
     
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https://twitter.com/TomZillich/status/991457557704196096

There's said to be a media event tomorrow morning at 10am at Surrey Central which involves a LRT mockup tour.
     
     
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Old Posted May 3, 2018, 4:53 AM
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The mockup car was present today in the shadow of the SkyTrain. You couldn't help but glare down at it as you passed like some bastard child who you suddenly appeared and now some baggy old lady wants you to pay the child support.

Sure it was a mockup but it really felt small. I couldn't help but recall that even the SkyTrain had a full-size mockup made. They couldn't even do that here. There are so many promises flying around. It would have to take a miracle for this to work.
Also apparently there were a few protesters as well against the LRT in favor of SkyTrain. No complaints there. Global also seemed to be jumping on that as well on the evening news.
     
     
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Global likes to report controversy - who knew?

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There will be growing pains for Surrey in the coming years as the city implements its Light Rail Transit lines. The mayor is admitting that today, as she shows off what the new cars could look like.

The LRT cars look sleek, and you would expect a smooth ride, but given the implementation problems other cities have had, Mayor Linda Hepner says Surrey will have its own challenges — it’s just a matter of how the city handles them.

“I think that anytime you have a significant transportation project, you’re going to have disruption. So, I’m not going stand here and say that there will not be growing pains, because I believe there certainly will be.”

She acknowledges some of the traffic struggles Edmonton has dealt with on its own LRT system, which is what Surrey will have built by TransLink, the province, and the feds — possibly as soon as 2024.
Keep digging Linda, keep digging...
     
     
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https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/lrt-car-being-showcased-for-first-time-in-surrey-today/

The trains will run in their own separate lane that will be unaffected by traffic, but still have to obey stop signs and traffic signals.

Hhmmm make of that what you will. Still, don't have a definitive answer on that or do we?
     
     
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Ugh. I hate this lrt plan. It's basically the same as a bus
     
     
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the trains will run in their own separate lane that will be unaffected by traffic, but still have to obey stop signs and traffic signals.
I really do hate being right.
     
     
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Here's the pic from that Peace Arch News story:


The City of Surrey offers a first look at a light rail car Tuesday morning in City Centre. (Photo: Amy Reid)
https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/lrt-car-being-showcased-for-first-time-in-surrey-today/
     
     
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