Canadian Airport Thread - Page 303

DDP · #**6041** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

I just wish YKF-Montreal had been on the list as well. Some day. Some day.

I am still surprised how little Waterloo has. I know how close it is to Pearson, but at rush hour it can be tough for business travelers.

The 10th largest region in terms of population can't support flights to Ottawa and Montreal?

Is demand really that low? Is it taxes/fee's which just send people to Pearson, lack of competition?

kwoldtimer · #**6042** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 1:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by DDP

I am still surprised how little Waterloo has. I know how close it is to Pearson, but at rush hour it can be tough for business travelers.

The 10th largest region in terms of population can't support flights to Ottawa and Montreal?

Is demand really that low? Is it taxes/fee's which just send people to Pearson, lack of competition?

Bearskin did fly YKF-YOW successfully for a couple of years (19 passenger aircraft), but dropped the route as YOW was apparently too costly for them. The American flights to Chicago were not losing money (iirc), but American cancelled the service to focus on more lucrative routes. Northwest had flights to Detroit a number of years ago, but changes in the K-W economy did that one in. The Westjet flights to Calgary do well, as I understand it. I have been a bit surprised that the ULCC seem to be focussed on YHM, where they'll need to compete with each other, while none have confirmed anything out of YKF. Even seasonal charters are very limited - I think it's one or two flights a week during the winter season.

At the moment, YKF-YOW makes the most sense to me, but flights to Montreal, Vancouver, Chicago, and Newark would all be nice to see. Someday, perhaps.

nephersir7 · #**6043** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 6:33 PM**

The new YUL:

• Video Link

G.S MTL · #**6044** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 6:50 PM**

OMGGGGGG can someone take screenshots ???? that is crazy !! YUL is going to be massive.

le calmar · #**6045** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 6:50 PM**

Great, that ugly façade will finally be redone. It looks straight out of the 60's, and in a bad way. Someone knows if the existing underground LRT station that was built at the same time as the Marriott will be used?

p_xavier · #**6046** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 6:52 PM**

Wow, that's a massive transformation! And no, the ugly façade will be maintained, just restored. The train terminal will be still used as a parking I assume.

YYCguys · #**6047** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 6:56 PM**

Whoa! That’s sick! It’s going to be incredible! I hope Toronto’s Pearson will follow suit!

p_xavier · #**6048** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

Whoa! That’s sick! It’s going to be incredible! I hope Toronto’s Pearson will follow suit!

YYZ's master plan was recently updated and is quite conservative unfortunately.

nephersir7 · #**6049** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Wow, that's a massive transformation! And no, the ugly façade will be maintained, just restored.

Maintained, restored and embraced

thenoflyzone · #**6050** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

Great, that ugly façade will finally be redone. It looks straight out of the 60's, and in a bad way. Someone knows if the existing underground LRT station that was built at the same time as the Marriott will be used?

No it will not.

G.S MTL · #**6051** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 10:07 PM**

More screenshots

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Martin Mtl · #**6052** Posted **Apr 30, 2018, 11:40 PM**

That's pretty impressive and massive.

p_xavier · #**6053** Posted **May 1, 2018, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Martin Mtl

That's pretty impressive and massive.

I would say that when Toronto thinks its a global city, Montreal is building a global city, but some Torontonians might think that I'm negative towards them paying 750k towards a studio...

dansk · #**6054** Posted **May 1, 2018, 1:33 AM**

Truly a great addition and upgrade for Montreal.

Coldrsx · #**6055** Posted **May 1, 2018, 1:34 AM**

Looking forward to our new AC YEG-SFO non-stop.

theman23 · #**6056** Posted **May 1, 2018, 2:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

I would say that when Toronto thinks its a global city, Montreal is building a global city, but some Torontonians might think that I'm negative towards them paying 750k towards a studio...

What does this have to do with Toronto? I don't see why you can't be happy for Montreal without trying to measure up to Toronto.

p_xavier · #**6057** Posted **May 1, 2018, 11:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

What does this have to do with Toronto? I don't see why you can't be happy for Montreal without trying to measure up to Toronto.

Oh it's because I was extremely disappointed with YYZ expansion plans. Toronto has money, Montreal not so much.

thenoflyzone · #**6058** Posted **May 1, 2018, 1:54 PM**

Fuel prices are creeping up again. That's not a good sign for airlines.

https://news.alphastreet.com/airline-companies-stare-at-a-burning-issue-as-fuel-prices-skyrocket/

AC, in Q1 2018, had record high revenues, and still managed to lose money. (a net operating loss of $14 million.)

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/ai...uarterly-result/2018/2018_q1_release.pdf

I expect AC will start retiring older planes sooner rather than later.

They already deferred delivery of 11 737s by up to 3 years.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl...-delivery-of-11-737-max-aircraft-448199/

Growth will start slowing in the next few years.

As for YUL's new renderings, they look nice, but let's not forget one thing. Any hiccup, be it a drop in passenger numbers, a recession, rising fuel prices, dare I say, a referendum, and part of these plans will be put on hold.

The $2.5 billion is only for the next 5 years, and that money is planned for 1 remote pier (11 gates, busing operations), repaving runway 06L/24R, adding/realigning some taxiways, a new connection center, improving road access to airport and rebuilding the multi-level car park to accommodate for the REM. That is all.

All of the rest is if traffic keeps up with what is forecast. Right now, signs are pointing to a slowdown. Time will tell what happens.

wave46 · #**6059** Posted **May 1, 2018, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Oh it's because I was extremely disappointed with YYZ expansion plans. Toronto has money, Montreal not so much.

The Greater Toronto Airport Authority also has a fair amount of debt related to the construction of Terminal 1 in the 2000s, along with other airport improvements.

Montreal had less ambitious expansion during that time, leaving them more fiscal capacity to expand now.

wave46 · #**6060** Posted **May 1, 2018, 2:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Fuel prices are creeping up again. That's not a good sign for airlines.

https://news.alphastreet.com/airline-companies-stare-at-a-burning-issue-as-fuel-prices-skyrocket/

AC, in Q1 2018, had record high revenues, and still managed to lose money. (a net operating loss of $14 million.)

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/ai...uarterly-result/2018/2018_q1_release.pdf

I expect AC will start retiring older planes sooner rather than later.

They already deferred delivery of 11 737s by up to 3 years.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl...-delivery-of-11-737-max-aircraft-448199/

Growth will start slowing in the next few years.

Don't most airlines in Canada lose money during Q1? It is the slowest travel time (aside from sun destinations). They tend to make it up during Q2/Q3, right?

Air Canada is retiring their oldest planes right now:
- late '80s/early '90s build A320s
- 767-300ER
- E190 (not old, but not as efficient as new aircraft)

All are being replaced with much more efficient aircraft: 737 Max 8, 787, and CS300 respectively.

The 737 Max 9 delays are probably a result of deciding to keep the A321 longer - those planes have lots of life left.