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Old Posted Feb 2, 2018, 9:37 PM
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This line is believe-it-when-I-see-it: "While Andlauer says the city would likely have to be part of the project — whether that's all cash or a combination of cash and land is unclear — he's prepared to pay a significant portion of the cost out of his own pocket." (emphasis mine).

So Mr. Andlauer, write a cheque for $50M and let's get going.

It's certainly a generous position coming from the owner of a team pulling in 4,000 fans a game. So points for that.

As someone who has owned the team for 14 years, nothing about the City's bureaucratic metabolism should come as a surprise to him (especially in an year that will essentially paralyze council with not one but two elections).
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Old Posted Feb 3, 2018, 1:15 AM
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Just stepping back for a moment...

From a sports perspective, Hamilton really doesn't understand what it is. There are some who feel strongly that it's a big league town (i.e. NHL) but there's little-to-no chance that's ever going to happen. So, building a new 17000 seat arena would be a colossal waste of money.

I've heard others suggest Hamilton go the London route - build a shiny 10000 seat arena for their OHL franchise. That's sounds quite reasonable except for the fact that Hamilton isn't a junior hockey town by any stretch of the imagination. That brand of hockey hasn't been relevant here for more than 30 years and I'm not sure whether we could learn to like it again.

That leaves us in the middle. The AHL is probably right for us. We've got a lot more in common with places like Syracuse than we do with Owen Sound.
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Old Posted Feb 3, 2018, 3:54 AM
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Just stepping back for a moment...

From a sports perspective, Hamilton really doesn't understand what it is. There are some who feel strongly that it's a big league town (i.e. NHL) but there's little-to-no chance that's ever going to happen. So, building a new 17000 seat arena would be a colossal waste of money.

I've heard others suggest Hamilton go the London route - build a shiny 10000 seat arena for their OHL franchise. That's sounds quite reasonable except for the fact that Hamilton isn't a junior hockey town by any stretch of the imagination. That brand of hockey hasn't been relevant here for more than 30 years and I'm not sure whether we could learn to like it again.

That leaves us in the middle. The AHL is probably right for us. We've got a lot more in common with places like Syracuse than we do with Owen Sound.
I too wish we has an ahl team. I used to go to lots of ahl games. Not one ohl game tho.

Would be nice if we could swap teams with belleville now that they have their arena renovated. Theyre more of an ohl town, not ahl.

Also hello no to an arena on the mountain. Thats backwards thinking. Keep it downtown or reasonably close to it.
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Carmen’s wants to run Hamilton’s core entertainment venues

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...inment-venues/

The Carmen's Group is making a play to take over operations of all three city-owned downtown entertainment facilities, including the arena, concert hall and convention centre.

In addition to seeking the management contracts, Carmen's is also asking council for a green light to "spearhead" a local consortium to explore redevelopment options for the aging facilities.

CEO PJ Mercanti says the goal is to maximize the potential of the existing buildings while beginning discussions on how they'll look in the future.

"It's important that we start to look at the next generation of these facilities," said Mercanti. "The conversation needs to start now.'

In a letter to council members, Mercanti proposes running the venues in partnership with Scott Warren, former general manager of FirstOntario Centre (formerly Copps Coliseum) and FirstOntario Concert Hall (formerly Hamilton Place).

Warren ran both venues for Spectra Venue Management — which has a five-year operating agreement with the city — for about four years before leaving the company at the end of December.

Spectra's management contract with the city expires at the end of 2018. Carmen's already operates the convention centre. Its contract also expires at the end of the year.

Mercanti says the new offer was sparked by the recently approved motion from Coun. Sam Merulla that directed staff to explore opportunities for the redevelopment of the tired facilities — which need millions of dollars of repairs — and to investigate private sector interest in creating a sports and entertainment precinct in the area.

It also builds on a privately funded consulting report on options for overhauling the 33-year-old arena, which include a $68-million renovation and a complete $250-million rebuild.

Jasper Kujavsky, the lawyer and consultant who stickhandled the arena study, is advising Carmen's on the facilities proposal. Carmen's was one of the funders of the $240,000 arena report. Others included billionaire Ron Joyce, FirstOntario Credit Union, LIUNA and Fengate Capital.

According to Mercanti, those same players are part of an emerging consortium interested in exploring redevelopment options for the three venues.

"It's fair to say that every member of the arena study is aware and at the table with the conversation and the pursuit."

Mercanti envisions talking with the city about more amenities for the existing buildings and a "bigger conversation" around adding commercial, retail and residential components.

Merulla is excited by Carmen's proposal but says the city can't consider a potential billion-dollar redevelopment project without a competitive process. He intends to put forward a motion directing staff to talk to other potential bidders and "aggressively pursue" options.

"We need to be open and transparent and give an opportunity to everyone rather than sole-sourcing."

Mercanti says Carmen's is fully prepared to compete with other bidders. "The Carmen's Group is respectful of process and we understand that ultimately things have to happen through due process."

Merulla notes that privatizing operations of the former HECFI buildings in 2013 has already saved the city millions of dollars. He says the goal should now be to capitalize on the development possibilities with an eye to growing tax assessment and generating revenue.

Coun. Terry Whitehead agrees. He says the pitch from Carmen's underlines that the venues are at a "crossroads" regarding their lifespan and economic redevelopment possibilities.

'We haven't really tested the development community — the private sector — in regards to what there is now and what it could be. It's time to have that discussion."

Interestingly, the proposal comes fast on the heels of renewed complaints from Hamilton Bulldogs owner Michael Andlauer about the city dragging its feet on what to do with the arena.

It also lands just days after Carmen's — which operates five hospitality and entertainment businesses and employs about 400 people — publicly announced it's relocating its corporate headquarters to the downtown Hamilton City Centre from Stone Church Road East.

Combine that with Carmen's recent role in saving the Hamilton Cardinals baseball team and its financial contribution to the upcoming HAMILTON sign at city hall and you're left with the impression of an intensely local company on a strategic roll.
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would LOVE to see very high density residentiall towers added to these sites with commercial at ground floor connecting to the streets and connecting to the facilities directly.
Add a few thousand new condo units with street patios/retail along with renovated facilities and there would be a much better future for our entertainment facilities. A brand new convention centre, way larger than our current one is sorely needed too.

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The AHL is probably right for us.
Attendance-wise , AHL has fared better but not not jaw-droppingly so.

AHL Bulldogs: 4,832 average per game
OHL Bulldogs: 3,908 average per game
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Attendance-wise , AHL has fared better but not not jaw-droppingly so.

AHL Bulldogs: 4,832 average per game
OHL Bulldogs: 3,908 average per game
What? Almost 1000 people per game average is a huge drop when you're talking numbers like that...

I've only gone to one OHL game, but

a) the quality seems lower (unsurprisingly)
b) it's crazy that they went from pros to amateurs and didn't drop the ticket price
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What? Almost 1000 people per game average is a huge drop when you're talking numbers like that...
I suppose I meant in relation to an 18,000-capacity venue — and taking into account that they've gone from being an NHL farm team to a club for teens coming up from Bantam.

The most surprising thing is arguably that three-quarters of Bulldogs fans don't seem to care either way. If not for the Steelhawks, they might as well be playing out of Mountain Arena, previously an OHL venue.
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@thistleclub 'I suppose I meant in relation to an 18,000-capacity venue...'

And that brings us back to issue - what to do with Copps?

I still say the smartest thing would be to keep it viable but only in the most minimal way.
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Core Entertainment - Just Announced! BTS is coming to Hamilton!

Join us for their only Canadian stop on their World tour, live at FirstOntario Centre September 20, 22 & 23!

Tickets go on-sale Monday, May 7 at 4pm!


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Core Entertainment - Just Announced! BTS is coming to Hamilton!

Join us for their only Canadian stop on their World tour, live at FirstOntario Centre September 20, 22 & 23!

Tickets go on-sale Monday, May 7 at 4pm!


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Literally who?
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K-Pop, it's gotten popular lately with the younger generation. It's like Milli Vanilli meets 90s boy bands with Asian fusion lol.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2018, 7:41 PM
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Literally who?
They're probably the most famous boyband in the world at the moment.

They were on Ellen a few months back, the intro to this video lists out some of their recent achievements...

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We don't here about them as much here because they sing most of their songs in Korean, but they have a huge global fan base.

With this being their only Canadian stop, expect 3 sold out shows. People will be flying in from all over the country.
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I have absolutely no doubt that show will sell out. They're huge right now.
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I have absolutely no doubt that show will sell out. They're huge right now.

This is why we need an 18,000 seat venue! Long live Copps!
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This is why we need an 18,000 seat venue! Long live Copps!
Exactly!

There's a legit complaint that FOC is too big for OHL (and AHL before it) but it's damn convenient to have that capacity available for major concerts and events.

Given the Bulldogs' run this spring it's a shame that the Memorial Cup powers-that-be were so dismissive too.
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Exactly!

There's a legit complaint that FOC is too big for OHL (and AHL before it) but it's damn convenient to have that capacity available for major concerts and events.

Given the Bulldogs' run this spring it's a shame that the Memorial Cup powers-that-be were so dismissive too.
Seroiusly, ACC or Scotia Arena too booked (Raptors leafs other conf), FOC needs to accelerate as a large concent venue and with decent rail service, no reason why it could not be lit for may nights through year. Saw McCartney there , and was great, easy sell outs for the 4MM or so within 1 hour drive . Just have to be aggresive .

I know zero about kpop - but 3 nights , wow, and a select global tour with pretty much every city with a recognizable name... good on FOC!
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K-Pop, it's gotten popular lately with the younger generation. It's like Milli Vanilli meets 90s boy bands with Asian fusion lol.
There is a large Bollywood show coming to copps as well in July, some big Bollywood stars are coming so should sell well. It also is not cheap, floor seats being $350, and most of the lower bowl seats are 200plus.

Cirque is doing a week in June.

Many other concerts all summer, Tim Mcgraw, Shania Twain, Judas Priest. So some quality and variety coming through for a wide segment of people, and should be able to attract people from across the region. For something like K pop and Bollywood you would think the bulk of people would be coming from the GTA proper.
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The only show I've ever seen at Copps was Nine Inch Nails like a decade ago. I lived in downtown Toronto at the time and borrowed a car to make the trek over.
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Ironic that First Ontario is getting a good run of shows and then this comes out in the Spec:

A new proposal for Hamilton’s FirstOntario Centre
A smaller, sustainable hockey facility could be augmented by world-class indoor cycling potential

https://www.thespec.com/opinion-stor...ntario-centre/

Much has been written lately of First Ontario Centre regarding maintenance, possible upgrades and its ultimate fate. There has even been a suggestion that the arena, convention centre and performing arts centre be handed over to the private sector for redevelopment. As well, in all of this we have the generous offer of Bulldog owner Michael Andlauer to pay for half of a new arena.

I believe we need a new vision for First Ontario Centre — one that would feature continued public ownership, but with a complete repurposing of the facility. The same sort of makeover that was accomplished for Maple Leaf Gardens should be applied to First Ontario Centre. In the renovations the original structure of Maple Leaf Gardens was kept but the hockey rink was scaled down and several levels were added to the building where the extra seats had been. On these extra floors Ryerson University has installed its athletics department complete with gym, fitness centre, sport venues and classrooms.

What I am suggesting for First Ontario Centre is a modern, more intimate arena, perhaps 5,400 fixed seats. This would be on the ground level. Above this, on the next floor, would be a 250 metre, Olympic-size velodrome with 2,000 — 3,000 fixed seats. National Cycling Centre Hamilton (NCCH) is a 2003 world cycling championships legacy organization. NCCH would be a major tenant for this track.
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