Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0 - Page 341

roger1818 · #**6801** Posted **Apr 18, 2018, 2:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

A storage siding in that area could come in quite handy if the Sens arena moves to Lebreton to cue up some trains awaiting the surge in riders at the conclusion of the game.

It would also be useful for things like Canada Day and Bluesfest.

Not sure why they wouldn't put the track in for it now. My only thought is that with Tunnies Pasture being at the end of the line, and these surges happening off peak, they can stockpile trains on one of the existing tracks and then run with single track between Tunnies and Bayview until the extra trains are needed.

PHrenetic · #**6802** Posted **Apr 18, 2018, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

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My only thought is that with Tunnies Pasture being at the end of the line, and these surges happening off peak, they can stockpile trains on one of the existing tracks and then run with single track between Tunnies and Bayview until the extra trains are needed.

Good Day.

Except... the crossover (or one of the tracks) east of Tunney's would be blocked, limiting the C-Line to single track service
until the next crossover in the tunnel between Lyon and Parl (as far as I know).
Ooops. Not a good idea.

roger1818 · #**6803** Posted **Apr 18, 2018, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Except... the crossover (or one of the tracks) east of Tunney's would be blocked, limiting the C-Line to single track service
until the next crossover in the tunnel between Lyon and Parl (as far as I know).
Ooops. Not a good idea.

Ahh. They would need another crossover just west of Bayview. Without that, you are correct and it won't work. They could easily run single track from Tunney's to Bayview off peak, but not to the tunnel. The other option is to park two (maybe three) double trains on one of the platforms and tail track behind it. That doesn't create a huge amount of reserve capacity though. Given how short the western leg is, it might be enough until the extra trains from the east reach Tunnies.

Speaking of crossovers, why did they install a diamond crossover at Tunney's? There is plenty of room for a standard crossover.

PHrenetic · #**6804** Posted **Apr 18, 2018, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

Ahh. They would need another crossover just west of Bayview. Without that, you are correct and it won't work. They could easily run single track from Tunney's to Bayview off peak, but not to the tunnel. The other option is to park two (maybe three) double trains on one of the platforms and tail track behind it. That doesn't create a huge amount of reserve capacity though. Given how short the western leg is, it might be enough until the extra trains from the east reach Tunnies.

Speaking of crossovers, why did they install a diamond crossover at Tunney's? There is plenty of room for a standard crossover.

Good Day.

.... except no tail track at all on west side of Tunney's. It's occupied by that foam-based access bridge from Scott into the new bus loop on the north side.
.... just a stub-end for overrun safety.

The foam bridge will have to be removed and replaced by a real bridge when Phase 2 arrives. It is in discussion for funding between NCC and City.

As for the crossover.... beats me !

They used two separate turnouts over at just west of Blair, so ......

roger1818 · #**6805** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

.... except no tail track at all on west side of Tunney's. It's occupied by that foam-based access bridge from Scott into the new bus loop on the north side.
.... just a stub-end for overrun safety.

It was that stub-end that I was referring to as the tail track. While that stub-end normally won't be used, I don't see why it couldn't be used for train storage (by using a slower approach) if the active trains are only using the other platform. I estimate the length of track (platform and stub) to be about 200m. That should be enough to store 2 double trains (4 individual trains).

PHrenetic · #**6806** Posted **Apr 23, 2018, 3:43 AM**

Good Day. Belfast MSF update.

Passed by the Belfast MSF on Friday, and the temp storage shed at the southeast corner (under the white fabric) seems to be mostly complete.
The end fabric panel was not fully attached, and looking inside had only one track just off-center to the east side of center and an access area (still gravel) on the west side of the track. Given the shape of the roofline of the structure, it appears (contrary to my previous opinion/observation of twin tracks) that this is the final configuration. I am also not sure that they will be putting in an OCS into it - it appears not. This means they will need to push/tow LRVs in-and-out with a mule.
It most definitely appears to be a temp, kept simple, and to be removed when another LMSF is built.
Given the length of the cover structure, it appears it can easily accommodate two LRVs, possibly three.

The main shed extension roof appears complete, and the side/end wall support bars are going into place. No track nor OCS rails installed yet.

The second Operator's track between the shed and the maintenance bldg seems in place,
and the over-the-shed box walkway and south-end staircase seem to be getting fitted-up.

The foundations for the second maintenance bldg on the northeast side appear to be going in, but they are completely under tarp and not visible.

EnJoy!

J.OT13 · #**6807** Posted **Apr 25, 2018, 9:10 PM**

Blais and Watson' Twitter. Seems certain Councillors (from Watson's inner circle it seems) got to ride the rails for the first time.

https://twitter.com/StephenBlais/status/989199387136966656

https://twitter.com/JimWatsonOttawa/status/989186588323254272

J.OT13 · #**6808** Posted **Apr 25, 2018, 9:18 PM**

Rail613

https://twitter.com/rail613/status/989102218208075776

Kitchissippi · #**6809** Posted **Apr 25, 2018, 9:48 PM**

CTV is doing a feature on the LRT at 6.

Quite a few neat videos on Twitter lately, #ottlrt

Uhuniau · #**6810** Posted **Apr 25, 2018, 10:00 PM**

Yeah, looks like they did a media fam-tour today; CBC has something as well.

Uhuniau · #**6811** Posted **Apr 25, 2018, 10:03 PM**

Here's the CBC bit:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/city-offers-first-chance-to-ride-light-rail-1.4634846?cmp=rss

ryan1 · #**6812** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 2:46 AM**

Anyone else thinking that the train aisles seem VERY narrow?

kevinbottawa · #**6813** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by ryan1

Anyone else thinking that the train aisles seem VERY narrow?

Yup. They seemed narrow when they had the mock-up on display in the Aberdeen Pavillion.

ryan1 · #**6814** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

Yup. They seemed narrow when they had the mock-up on display in the Aberdeen Pavillion.

Agreed. All the news coverage today reminded me of what seems like a pretty big blunder for a mass transit system.

I realize they are different systems with different capacity requirements, but when comparing Ottawa's train cars to the new TTC Rockets in particular, the space to move within the aisle seems like night and day.

OCCheetos · #**6815** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:44 AM**

With more doors, a narrow aisle is fine. If you look at Montreal's metro for example, the main standing areas are only by the doors with a few seats surrounding those areas. People never have to walk down the aisles.

Obviously the Confederation Line trains don't have as many doors... but considering its planned future of basically being a long distance commuter train, I'm sure that's why they prioritized seating over walking room.

roger1818 · #**6816** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by OCCheetos

I'm sure that's why they prioritized seating over walking room.

The wheel wells due to the low floor design are also a major factor in the decision.

Truenorth00 · #**6817** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by ryan1

Agreed. All the news coverage today reminded me of what seems like a pretty big blunder for a mass transit system.

I realize they are different systems with different capacity requirements, but when comparing Ottawa's train cars to the new TTC Rockets in particular, the space to move within the aisle seems like night and day.

Ottawa: Light Rail
Toronto: Heavy Rail.

Ottawa could not have built a system with wider aisles without sacrificing seating.

1overcosc · #**6818** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Ottawa: Light Rail
Toronto: Heavy Rail.

Ottawa could not have built a system with wider aisles without sacrificing seating.

Which they should have done. Ottawa is too obsessed with seats. Standing is quite easy to do on a smooth accelerating train like the LRT will be.

OCCheetos · #**6819** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 3:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by roger1818

The wheel wells due to the low floor design are also a major factor in the decision.

That's true. Reminds me of the Orion VI buses.

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Which they should have done. Ottawa is too obsessed with seats. Standing is quite easy to do on a smooth accelerating train like the LRT will be.

If/When the line is extended out to Kanata and Orleans, seats will be a big deal.

Mr.Flintstone · #**6820** Posted **Apr 26, 2018, 4:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

CTV is doing a feature on the LRT at 6.

Quite a few neat videos on Twitter lately, #ottlrt

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1379692