Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[jsbertram]

I have been re-thinking my suggestion of a few months ago, of running the UBC extension west from Alma using the Jericho Lands site to get to 4th Ave / Chancellor Blvd to get the line running north-south from the Chan Center to Thunderbird Stadium

A similar route would continue west from Broadway & Alma under Broadway which curves and becomes 8th Ave. Where 8th Ave runs beside the Jericho Lands, an underground station can be built to accommodate the new housing that will be developed there. Continuing westwards, the line runs under 8th Ave and becomes the disconnected piece of Chancellor Blvd. This segment conveniently lines up with the main route of Chancellor Blvd after it connects with 4th ave.

The line continues westwards under Chancellor Blvd to enter the campus from the North, lining up with either Wesbrook Mall, Main Mall, or East Mall. At this point, the line would run South to a terminal at the Thunderbird Sports Center, the stadium, or 16th ave.

I am guessing the UBC stations could be at or near the Chan Center, the SUB, the abandoned bus loops (which will likely be redeveloped), the Sports complex, or Wesbrook village housing (not all of the above)

With a station at the Jericho lands development, the new condo units being built there could be built with self-contained “student flats” as part of each unit to encourage the owners to rent them out to UBC (or even SFU) students, since these universities will be readily accessed by the nearby M-line subway.

[paradigm4]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

just was thinking....

is the recent translink / mayors council funding announced for the remaining 20% local funding specific to the projects in the current 10 year plan?

or will this revenue be available afterwards for future projects like UBC extension phase II? and langley RRT?

The recent announcement is only phase two of the 10 year plan. only has funding for skytrain to arbutus and first phase of surrey lrt.

[jollyburger]

I doubt any students will be afford the rent for condos in Jericho.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Nor will they want/need a line routed down Chancellor, which only serves the Chan Centre, the Museum of Anthropology and a lot of faculty housing. University Boulevard is in a better position to serve everybody (not to mention a potential station at Block F).

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Surely there is an upper limit to what the Feds and Province will cover. They can't issue blanket statements that will could cost hundreds of millions.

A YVR-style addfare sounds like a good solution for this.

Who will pay the add fare? All of the students and staff have passes. There won't be any add fare applicable. With YVR there are many visitors and occasional travelers paying the add fare.

Ron.

[waves]

Chancellor Blvd is too far North, but having the line utilize the old Chancellor Boulevard and cut off into College Highroad and then under the New Bus loop wood make a lot of sense.

Here were a bunch of options I was thinking of:

Diamonds are grade transitions, Stars are potential Terminus Stations, Circles are potential non-terminus stations, Black Lines are potential routes, the Yellow line was an option I had from a few years ago. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FhwW_oU9MFAOHbpk-cWK6R1tBFo&usp=sharing

[scryer]

Firstly: I am absolutely thrilled that UBC is willing to contribute to the extension all the way to UBC. I feel like this validates what everyone on the forum has been saying since the beginning of time: that the Millennium line needs to be extended to UBC to solve our transit woes.

Secondly at some point I think that we should put more serious thought into switching to a cut-and-cover method to constructing the tunnel further west. We have to start finding a way to cut costs. I was just in Rome, and they are currently doing a cut-and-cover strategy to connect Metro Lines B and C at the Colosseum station. Let me tell you: the Colosseum is one of the most visited places in the world and the city feels that they need to interrupt plenty of businesses to get it done. So we can afford to do a cut-and-cover starting somewhere towards the western side of Broadway. However I am not entirely sure where this would be?

Thirdly, to save more costs, we are gonna need the Skytrain to elevate once again. I strongly think that we are going to dip into some huge deficits if the Skytrain is underground the entire way to UBC. The NIMBYS need to shut up and understand that the city needs this extension not to cost the city and province an arm and a leg to get it done. I would say that a decent spot for elevation would be at University BLVD as you already have a similar layout to what we see when we have street with Skytrain. That's just me, I am no expert though.

[Plafuldog]

Doesn't the Musqueam own the University Golf Club? Assumedly, they would chip in some money as well, at least enough to pay for their own station. Perhaps that could replace a station at Sasamat and save the project $50m.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Plafuldog

Doesn't the Musqueam own the University Golf Club? Assumedly, they would chip in some money as well, at least enough to pay for their own station. Perhaps that could replace a station at Sasamat and save the project $50m.

Sorry, that loud noise you heard was me snorting with laughter. You made my day!

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Plafuldog

Doesn't the Musqueam own the University Golf Club? Assumedly, they would chip in some money as well, at least enough to pay for their own station. Perhaps that could replace a station at Sasamat and save the project $50m.

They do, but if I recall from AMS Council meetings back in the day, they aren't going to develop it until 2025 or 2030.

Although, who knows how set in stone that date is.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I doubt any students will be afford the rent for condos in Jericho.

I disagree. I'm certain that many would choose the location for its proximity to campus, beaches, parks, and (hopefully) rapid transit. Whether a place is shared among roommates, paid for by parents, or even just accept it as the cost of housing in Vancouver and roll it into their educational debt.

[invisibleairwaves]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I disagree. I'm certain that many would choose the location for its proximity to campus, beaches, parks, and (hopefully) rapid transit. Whether a place is shared among roommates, paid for by parents, or even just accept it as the cost of housing in Vancouver and roll it into their educational debt.

I'm sure a lot of students would like to choose it for those reasons. They'd also like to live in Shaughnessy or West Point Grey or on the endowment lands themselves for the same reasons. Doesn't mean it's realistic for a kid fresh out of high school with parents who aren't millionaires.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Perhaps UBC or the City could build some student apartments? Guaranteed revenue for any coffee or sushi place that moves in.

[invisibleairwaves]

Jericho simply isn't going to have affordable student housing. Period. The wealthiest, most politically-connected NIMBYs in the province surround the Jericho lands and they are never going to allow it. It makes all kinds of planning sense, especially if the M-line goes out that way, but it's a total non-starter.

[Migrant_Coconut]

We recently elected a councillor who proposes widespread upzoning throughout the city (including Point Grey), and most of this year's candidates are suggesting much of the same. You never know.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by invisibleairwaves

Jericho simply isn't going to have affordable student housing. Period. The wealthiest, most politically-connected NIMBYs in the province surround the Jericho lands and they are never going to allow it. It makes all kinds of planning sense, especially if the M-line goes out that way, but it's a total non-starter.

You forget that the Jericho Lands were bought by First Nations - they can do pretty much whatever they want.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Sheba

You forget that the Jericho Lands were bought by First Nations - they can do pretty much whatever they want.

Not really. Along with Canada Lands Company and it seems that they are totally engaged with going through a City of Vancouver rezoning process.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

the yvr add-fare allows free travel on that segment, no? since YVR chipped in to build this segment
maybe the same idea of free travel on campus for ubc?

I think so but I'm not sure how it all works with compass card gates. It was the original plan for long term parking transport when YVR builds out a little more.

I agree a similar concept would be perfect for UBC.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

Who will pay the add fare? All of the students and staff have passes. There won't be any add fare applicable. With YVR there are many visitors and occasional travelers paying the add fare.

Ron.

I wondered further up the thread if UBC could have a more expensive UPass, that would cover it.

[WarrenC12]

The whole idea of this line is that students won't have to live on campus, or even the west side. They can live in Surrey and east can basement suites like the rest of the starving students.