Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 440

officedweller · #**8781** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 9:53 PM**

Good news -

Also good to see a proposed station at South Campus.

The suggestion of an extra levy is interesting, as that's the opposite of the discounted U-Pass.
I suppose it could be a levy on top of U-Pass, but still less than regular fares (?).

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The university has not said how much of the estimated $3 billion cost it would be willing to provide,
but suggested a contribution could come from the sale of land, developer charges, or an extra levy,
similar to the Canada Line extension to YVR.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-millennium-line-funding-1.4627086

A slide from presentation to UBC's Board of Governor's about the possible extension of the Millennium Line to the university's campus. (UBC)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-millennium-line-funding-1.4627086

Migrant_Coconut · #**8782** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 9:57 PM**

If I'm reading the graphic right, that's one station for the bus loop and another for East Mall &... Thunderbird?

Jalapeño Chips · #**8783** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Good news -

Also good to see a proposed station at South Campus.

The suggestion of an extra levy is interesting, as that's the opposite of the discounted U-Pass.
I suppose it could be a levy on top of U-Pass, but still less than regular fares (?).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-millennium-line-funding-1.4627086

A slide from presentation to UBC's Board of Governor's about the possible extension of the Millennium Line to the university's campus. (UBC)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-millennium-line-funding-1.4627086

The Canada Line levy does not apply to monthly passes, so perhaps it would be applied similarly, in which the UPass might be exempt. But it could be possible that a levy would be added, which I do believe that it would be a non-issue with most pass holders, considering the trade off.

Jalapeño Chips · #**8784** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If I'm reading the graphic right, that's one station for the bus loop and another for East Mall &... Thunderbird?

Looks like it. Many events happen at Thunderbird and the arena and parking is always a bit of hassle, from my experience. It would be a great location for a station.

WarrenC12 · #**8785** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:19 PM**

Could the UPass for UBC students cost more than other UPasses?

Alex Mackinnon · #**8786** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:28 PM**

Well, the good news on this issue is that Bowinn Ma knows how transport works at UBC very well.

She was on the AMS council when UBC was trying to do it's hairbrained underground bus loop scheme that wouldn't let diesel buses into it.

Needless to say, that idea had lots of choice words from us engineering student types that were involved at the time.

I'm pretty sure she's all for a Skytrain line heading straight to UBC. As per usual, the funding and politics are the main problem.

Metro-One · #**8787** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:39 PM**

Always nice to hear some good news.

If this is ideally to open 3 hers after phase one that would essentially mean a continuos construction of the line?

Will be interesting to see where the line transitions from below grade to above grade.

cganuelas1995 · #**8788** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Always nice to hear some good news.

If this is ideally to open 3 hers after phase one that would essentially mean a continuos construction of the line?

Will be interesting to see where the line transitions from below grade to above grade.

I think they should rough in the entirety of the tunnel and the platforms of the stations to University Boulevard, but complete the line to Arbutus. That way, when the time comes, they can lay in the tracks and finish the stations from Arbutus to UBC.

Jalapeño Chips · #**8789** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Always nice to hear some good news.

If this is ideally to open 3 hers after phase one that would essentially mean a continuos construction of the line?

Will be interesting to see where the line transitions from below grade to above grade.

I wonder if it will be built below grade the entire way? Looking at the UBC map in the article, it curves between the two UBC stations, and that would make sense to me, as there is not a whole lot of room at UBC for above grade.

Metro-One · #**8790** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:10 PM**

I don't know, there is a lot of low density / empty space along the second phase compared to the first phase. I think elevated would work fine, if UBC wants it tunnelled they should be on the hook for the extra cost.

Heck, a Sea Island approach could work well through UBC, having it protected at grade through the endowment lands.

Realistically it should transition from below grade to above west of Alma, and then maybe dive back underground (UBC contributions required) for the final 2 stations.

officedweller · #**8791** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If I'm reading the graphic right, that's one station for the bus loop and another for East Mall &... Thunderbird?

The area to be served would be South Campus
(although the graphic has the station north of 16th Ave., placing in the middle of the playing fields and experimental farm)
A station at Thunderbird would be too close to the other station (Stations typically have 400m catchment areas).
There's a 500m measure on the map below.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&...TJhoPhZMrK8AlQ0gdv6&ust=1524266588028922

http://www.rew.ca/news/we-re-building-it-and-they-re-coming-the-present-and-future-of-ubc-1.1342351

Jalapeño Chips · #**8792** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I don't know, there is a lot of low density / empty space along the second phase compared to the first phase. I think elevated would work fine, if UBC wants it tunnelled they should be on the hook for the extra cost.

Heck, a Sea Island approach could work well through UBC, having it protected at grade through the endowment lands.

Realistically it should transition from below grade to above west of Alma, and then maybe dive back underground (UBC contributions required) for the final 2 stations.

I agree on what you say realistically, but it's a political nimby storm waiting to happen to have it go above grade through existing residential in Vancouver (as low density as they are), and the built endowment lands, in my opinion. There is the redevelopment of the Musqueam land that the line will go next to, that will be high density.

Metro-One · #**8793** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:31 PM**

Yeah, it is definitely captain NIMBY around that area.

Zassk · #**8794** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

I agree on what you say realistically, but it's a political nimby storm waiting to happen to have it go above grade through existing residential in Vancouver (as low density as they are), and the built endowment lands, in my opinion. There is the redevelopment of the Musqueam land that the line will go next to, that will be high density.

Agreed, I think that the Jericho land reconciliation / redevelopment will be a big part of making this SkyTrain extension a reality. Could very well see federal dollars come in as part of that reconciliation settlement. Expect the line to take a slight detour north to the edge of the Jericho lands on its way to UBC.

Metro-One · #**8795** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:42 PM**

So, currently at 79.6KM in length, these two extensions would push the skytrain system to just under 93KM... Would love to see it push 100.

Jalapeño Chips · #**8796** Posted **Apr 19, 2018, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

Agreed, I think that the Jericho land reconciliation / redevelopment will be a big part of making this SkyTrain extension a reality. Could very well see federal dollars come in as part of that reconciliation settlement. Expect the line to take a slight detour north to the edge of the Jericho lands on its way to UBC.

That makes a lot of sense, a slight curve in the line.

I've been reading these forums for many years, and finally decided to join and participate. As a long time Vancouver resident, I find this particular news exciting. It feels like we're gaining some momentum in rapid transit development in this region. And that's good news.

officedweller · #**8797** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 12:00 AM**

Not much of a detour at all, really.

Broadway becomes West 8th Ave which runs past the Jericho Lands then heads to the orphaned part of Chancellor Blvd.
A station could be placed at 8th & Trimble and serve both the 10th & Sasmat area and the Jericho Lands.

https://www.bing.com/maps?q=jericho+lands+vancouver&FORM=HDRSC4

whatnext · #**8798** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 12:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jalapeño Chips

Big news:

"UBC pushes for Millennium Line extension to campus; opens door to providing funding"...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ubc-millennium-line-funding-1.4627086

That would be great, but the idea of an airport-style extra charge seems silly. Many students, at least local ones, are stretched financially already.

GlassCity · #**8799** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 12:01 AM**

I imagine the extra station would be intended to serve Wesbrook Village.

Alex Mackinnon · #**8800** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 2:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I think they should rough in the entirety of the tunnel and the platforms of the stations to University Boulevard, but complete the line to Arbutus. That way, when the time comes, they can lay in the tracks and finish the stations from Arbutus to UBC.

That would be like 90% of the cost. Tunnels and station boxes are probably the most expensive part.