Downtown Vancouver Updates

[LeftCoaster]

I'm really loving the blog FF, you two are really doing a great service.

It's probably a pretty thankless job but it doesn't go unnoticed.

[officedweller]

Nice use of brick on that East Pender project.

Covenant House
from Van Maren twitter:


https://twitter.com/VanMarInc


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https://twitter.com/VanMarInc


https://twitter.com/VanMarInc

[jollyburger]

I think for the Maritime Museum the wording of the article makes it easy to misinterpret.

Mr. Piano’s current vision is an 8,500 square-metre facility – about three-and-a-half times the museum’s current size – that would be certified LEED Platinum.

Atop the facility would be public space – a park. And throughout there are to be views of the water and the mountains.

The museum would be on the ground floor of a new development on the site that would likely have three buildings – including residential, hotel and other uses.

And it also mentions the roof of the museum would be peaked over the roof of the St Roch. So there will be an 8,500 sq feet museum in between three other building is is what I envision.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Doodler

Here's a link to Ema Peter's Instagram with a quick video showing this project. hopefully this link works
https://www.instagram.com/p/BhdOtLpgzia/?taken-by=emaphotographi

Cool, thanks!

It looks like a lot of the museum would be subterranean, which was the thought I had when the article mentioned there would be a park on the roof. The CBC article below says it will be at "water level".

It'll be interesting to see how much of an impact as a landmark the skylight (?) above the St. Roch will have.

CBC article:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...er-maritime-museum-on-the-move-1.4616111

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Cool, thanks!

It looks like a lot of the museum would be subterranean, which was the thought I had when the article mentioned there would be a park on the roof. The CBC article below says it will be at "water level".

It'll be interesting to see how much of an impact as a landmark the skylight (?) above the St. Roch will have.

CBC article:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...er-maritime-museum-on-the-move-1.4616111

So the hull would sit below the waterline with two levels and then one level at the waterline with the water/mountain views.

Not sure how much higher it goes but counted around 24 stories on the right tower.

And possible exterior elevators on the left tower?

[officedweller]

That's what it looks like from the sketches, but in the articles, the museum is complaining about its existing underground levels, so it's surprising they'd go into another underground space.

The "ground plane" seems to be on an artificial slant - so maybe it is opening up towards the water for the view (like the convention centre).

The tower sketch could be a cross section through the elevator core - but then I don't know what the "spires" would represent.
The sketches look pretty conceptual, as even the roof / skylight above the St. Roch doesn't seem to be fleshed out.

[jollyburger]

Also just noticed the staircases on the left tower facing the water. Maybe some shared public space for residents (open air or glass enclosed)

[officedweller]

Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that -
whether it was an industrial design feature, external emergency exit or what?
It actually looked more like a construction crane to me.


https://www.instagram.com/p/BhdOtLpgzia/?taken-by=emaphotographi

[Vin]

So Vancouver will essentially have everything downtown and a total cultural desert once you leave the confines of the peninsula. Seems to be the direction this city is heading.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Vin

So Vancouver will essentially have everything downtown and a total cultural desert once you leave the confines of the peninsula. Seems to be the direction this city is heading.

Coal harbour is a way better location for the museum

[Vin]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Coal harbour is a way better location for the museum

Of course it is, as we only confine everything downtown. It would be a different story if downtown were to expand out naturally towards Vanier Park for the past few decades without all this city's artificial development constraints. Now the Vanier Park area is going to be even quieter without the museum. I'm sure those who planted the museums there had an entirely different vision for the city back in the 60s or earlier, just like how tall towers such as the Empire Landmark hotel were allowed on Robson street back then.

[jollyburger]

I think from his other works they might be spires/breezeways incorporated into the building.



https://inhabitat.com/jean-marie-tjibaou-cultural-center-inspired-by-native-architecture/

Or maybe this:



https://www.architetturaecosostenibile.i...tacielo-intesa-sanpaolo-renzo-piano-639/

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Of course it is, as we only confine everything downtown. It would be a different story if downtown were to expand out naturally towards Vanier Park for the past few decades without all this city's artificial development constraints. Now the Vanier Park area is going to be even quieter without the museum. I'm sure those who planted the museums there had an entirely different vision for the city back in the 60s or earlier, just like how tall towers such as the Empire Landmark hotel were allowed on Robson street back then.

What are you talking about? Vanier Park is jammed with fireworks, bard on the beach, children's festivals, etc.

The maritime museum is totally drowned out and ignored. I'm sure most people have no idea where it is. It and the Vancouver museum both deserve more prominent and tourist friendly locations in the city, which is somewhere in the downtown core right now.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What are you talking about? Vanier Park is jammed with fireworks, bard on the beach, children's festivals, etc.

The maritime museum is totally drowned out and ignored. I'm sure most people have no idea where it is. It and the Vancouver museum both deserve more prominent and tourist friendly locations in the city, which is somewhere in the downtown core right now.

Both the Maritime Museum and the Museum of Vancouver are neglected by the City of Vancouver. The City should be investing a lot more in the facilities and the marketing of them.

Vanier Point is hardly far from downtown and is literally adjacent to Granville Island, one of Vancouver's top destinations. The city should also be investing in making that linkage more obvious. If you look at cities like Chicago or LA the museum facilities are much more spread out.

And don't even get me started on a how a city who claims pedestrians are their Number 1 priority can let Bard on the Beach patrons stumble in the dark over uneven grass back to transport, yet pour literally millions into the nearby bike lane.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Both the Maritime Museum and the Museum of Vancouver are neglected by the City of Vancouver. The City should be investing a lot more in the facilities and the marketing of them.

Vanier Point is hardly far from downtown and is literally adjacent to Granville Island, one of Vancouver's top destinations. The city should also be investing in making that linkage more obvious. If you look at cities like Chicago or LA the museum facilities are much more spread out.

And don't even get me started on a how a city who claims pedestrians are their Number 1 priority can let Bard on the Beach patrons stumble in the dark over uneven grass back to transport, yet pour literally millions into the nearby bike lane.

I agree how thee is terrible connections there especially for pedestrians. Although I think that would be the park board versus the city that would be responsible for that section. My big pet peeve is why aren't those paths and the sea wall lit.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

I agree how thee is terrible connections there especially for pedestrians. Although I think that would be the park board versus the city that would be responsible for that section. My big pet peeve is why aren't those paths and the sea wall lit.

very very very expensive to light a path in a park. they don't have the money to do that at the moment and as most parks close at 10pm, the idea is people aren't allowed in them at night.

[WarrenC12]

Bottom line: Maritime Museum in Coal Harbour, and proposals to put the Vancouver Museum around the Plaza of Nations (probably dead now), are both better ideas.

[jollyburger]

Are tourists really that interested in seeing anything in the Maritime Museum?

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

very very very expensive to light a path in a park. they don't have the money to do that at the moment and as most parks close at 10pm, the idea is people aren't allowed in them at night.

I'm picturing the seawall etc and it's no more expensive than a bike lane. And in the winter it's dark by 4:30. It would be nice to have it lit like it is in the yaletown section of the seawall

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

I'm picturing the seawall etc and it's no more expensive than a bike lane. And in the winter it's dark by 4:30. It would be nice to have it lit like it is in the yaletown section of the seawall

most bike lanes have lighting from the street which means it doesn't cost anything to install as it is already there. also, most bikes lanes fall under the City of Vancouver whereas all parks fall under the Vancouver Parks Board. both independent of each-other so each have their own budgets, taxes, priorities.