Tsawwassen First Nation Updates

[flipper316]

http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/first-anniversary-for-tsawwassen-mills-1.23057882

What a bs fluff piece. Is this place really doing well?

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by flipper316

http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/first-anniversary-for-tsawwassen-mills-1.23057882

What a bs fluff piece. Is this place really doing well?

Stumbled across this. Ivanhoe Cambridge has taken off the value for sales $ PSF from its website for Tsawwassen Mills.

You can look at the sales per square foot as a guide of how well this mall is doing~in Toronto’s Vaughn Mills, sales are $796 per square foot. In Calgary’s CrossIron Mills, sales are $662 per square foot. Tsawwassen Mills sales were based upon square foot per commercial unit, and were in the $275 dollar per square foot range. However this figure has now been taken off the Ivanhoe Cambridge website.

[officedweller]

Ads in the newspapers for the housing in the area by Aquilini.
Strange that they have a "Village Centre" when all the housing is adjacent to Tsawwassen Mills.

https://tsawwassenshores.com/masterplan

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by flipper316

http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/first-anniversary-for-tsawwassen-mills-1.23057882

What a bs fluff piece. Is this place really doing well?

Visited the mall at 11:30 am today (Tuesday), and was surprised to see it busy. Not only was the mall parking lot at least 40% full on an off weekday in the morning, but the Commons which included Wal-Mart and Canadian Tire also had reasonable number of cars parked out front. The only thing that looked dead at 11:30 am (lunch hour start) was the restaurants (Boston Pizza, Milestones, and the other one). I hope it continues to be a destination for a lot of shoppers who want to go for a casual drive out of the city and away from people.

[flipper316]

http://www.delta-optimist.com/news/tsawwassen-mills-recognized-with-building-award-1.23098264

[SpongeG]

I was there thursday evening. It was quite quiet. Most stores had no shoppers, just bored looking sales people. I must say the selection at Saks Off 5th was much better than the Park Royal store.

Stopped at walmart just around 9 and there was maybe 25 cars outside, it was really quiet. Inside was pretty sparse for customers. As a contrast stopped at the guildford store around 10 and it was a lot busier.

And if people don't already know, if you have out of town guests they can get a special booklet at guest services that will give them extra % off at most of the store in the mall with out of town ID.

They did have a promo where you could get an extra 15% off with a card with an out of town ID last summer, it might still exist but haven't asked recently.

[Vin]

Well, we all had our misgivings about this place. They went ahead to build this mall despite knowing the huge risk of such an undertaking. It's a case of "I told you so".

[flipper316]

Thought this would be sort of relevant to our favourite mall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azmpVTiU1oE

[NewfBC]

https://tsawwassenshores.com/masterplan

Ron.

[SpongeG]

The new tenants are nothing worth a drive, ooh a starbucks

Tsawwassen megamall gains new tenants and critics

Massive parking lot servicing Tsawwassen Mills and Tsawwassen Commons raises land-use
concerns

By Glen Korstrom | April 11, 2018

Tsawwassen Commons – the second part of a Tsawwassen megamall development – is taking shape with many retailers recently signing leases and launching operations. As the final design starts to become clear, however, retail analysts are denouncing elements of the development, which includes more than 8,200 parking stalls.

About 6,000 of the stalls are at Ivanhoé Cambridge’s 1.2-million-square-foot Tsawwassen Mills shopping mall, which opened in October 2016 and, retail observers say, has not been very busy. Ivanhoé Cambridge would not provide traffic counts or share the mall’s sales per square foot with Business in Vancouver.

Recent arrivals include a Shell gas station, which opened in December, and an A&W that opened in January.

Club 16 Trevor Linden Fitness Centre signed a lease in early March for a 20,000-square-foot gym, and Cheema said it intends to start construction on that facility soon.

Stores expected to open within months include Menchie’s, Starbucks, Subway, Meraki Therapeutics, Live Well Exercise Clinic and Sally Beauty. By summer, the centre could have a Tim Hortons coffee shop, a Kal Tire and a liquor store; by year’s end, there is also expected to be a Simply Pho, Manna Grill and CEFA Early Learning daycare.

https://biv.com/article/2018/04/tsawwassen-megamall-gains-new-tenants-and-critics

[LeftCoaster]

Yikes, that is a very poor list of incoming tenants.

Not sharing traffic and sales is also not a good sign.

[Tetsuo]

I'd drive for some Arbys

[SpongeG]

the Club 16 Trevor Linden will be a draw for those in ladner, Tsawwassen etc and get people to the area who may have been avoiding going.

[NewfBC]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

I'd drive for some Arbys

Coquitlam Centre!

Ron.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Tetsuo

I'd drive for some Arbys

I can just leave some cold cuts on the table for a week or so and put em in an onion bun with some cheese wiz if you'd like.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I can just leave some cold cuts on the table for a week or so and put em in an onion bun with some cheese wiz if you'd like.

I laughed out loud at that.

You should apply for Jon Stewart's old gig as the perennial Arby's-basher.

I could never quite tell if his constant taking shots at them was good for PR and business for them or bad for PR and business for them.

[WarrenC12]

Shell and A&W on the list? Sign me up!

The number of parking spots seems insane, but I'd like to see how that compares to Metrotown for example.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Shell and A&W on the list? Sign me up!

The number of parking spots seems insane, but I'd like to see how that compares to Metrotown for example.

Metropolis @ Metrotown has 8,000 parking stalls according to their site (most under ground obviously): https://metropolisatmetrotown.com/info/faq/

Tsawwassen Mills has 6,000. So 2,000 less, but as it is all surface it looks far worse overall. This is EXCLUDING Tsawwassen Commons across the street as the parking there is specific to the big-box locations aka Walmart, Canadian Tire, Rona, etc.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by jhausner

Metropolis @ Metrotown has 8,000 parking stalls according to their site (most under ground obviously): https://metropolisatmetrotown.com/info/faq/

Tsawwassen Mills has 6,000. So 2,000 less, but as it is all surface it looks far worse overall. This is EXCLUDING Tsawwassen Commons across the street as the parking there is specific to the big-box locations aka Walmart, Canadian Tire, Rona, etc.

Metrotown is also infinitely better served by transit, and has tens of thousands of nearby residents who can walk.

Tsawwassen Mills does look horrendous from a satellite view, but this was all very predictable when it was announced. It's a step backwards if we're trying to limit urban sprawl and driving everywhere.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Metrotown is also infinitely better served by transit, and has tens of thousands of nearby residents who can walk.

Tsawwassen Mills does look horrendous from a satellite view, but this was all very predictable when it was announced. It's a step backwards if we're trying to limit urban sprawl and driving everywhere.

For sure. The difficulty though is that urban sprawl from a regional perspective is something we'd like to see reduced greatly (you'll never get rid of it, no city has on the planet), but if you think from a city's perspective, they don't _really_ care when the economy is in play.

For example, it would be unreasonable to think Abbotsford wouldn't build a mall just because the region thinks people should live closer to Vancouver in more density. As far as Abbotsford is concerned, it isn't going to be punished just because it is away from the core. Where Urban Sprawl enters into the equation for them is within their city limits.

Same thing can be said here in Tsawwassen. They would say it isn't their fault their territory is where it is, they want to build an economy within their borders and don't really care about the region as a whole.

So I guess what I'm saying is I agree from a regional standpoint that it looks bad and seems counter to urban sprawl, but I don't think we can fault TFN for not saying "Oh ok well we won't build anything because we're so far away from Vancouver core."

That and according to Metro Vancouver's own livable region strategy, the Tsawwassen/South Delta area is supposed to increase in population to near 60,000 or slightly more people in the next 20 years. That's not a small number given the constrained developable land in the area due to ALR accounting for 80% of the land.

I still think they could have made it look better and built some underground or parkade style parking to use up less overall land.