PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 871

Knight Hospitaller · #**17401** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 2:05 PM**

I thought the article said that the right-of-way will be preserved. The only question for the developer was whether he will cover it or not.

mcgrath618 · #**17402** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 2:10 PM**

I think that the ROW could be used as a subway. The traditional way of building a line was to dig a ditch and bury it, and we've already done half of that here. Run a line up to the Art Museum and then to Manayunk in the west, and then across Broad and down 2nd or Front in the East.

Boku · #**17403** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:30 PM**

Let's make it even more expensive to build here.

City Council set to release sweeping new affordable housing bills

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Philadelphia City Council is expected to announce on Wednesday — the 50th anniversary of the Fair Housing Act — an ambitious package of affordable housing bills — including a new tax on construction. The legislation represents the culmination of months of debate over inclusionary zoning and the city’s ten-year tax abatement, a development incentive that many progressive members of City Council would like to see reformed.

The anticipated bills include a “construction privilege tax,” championed by City Council President Darrell Clarke, which would levy a one percent tax on all new construction.

http://planphilly.com/articles/2018/04/1...se-sweeping-new-affordable-housing-bills

skyscraper · #**17404** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Boku

Let's make it even more expensive to build here.

City Council set to release sweeping new affordable housing bills

http://planphilly.com/articles/2018/04/1...se-sweeping-new-affordable-housing-bills

unbe-—-lievable

McBane · #**17405** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:55 PM**

^ How many planning, development, and RE professionals were involved in drafting of this bill? My guess is zero.

iheartphilly · #**17406** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 4:57 PM**

^
my same thought. how about the city council members contribute 1% of their pay to afforable housing. keep taxing the hardworking citizens and you lose your tax base. they will go to the burbs. a 600k new construction home equates to a 6 k tax.

mcgrath618 · #**17407** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 5:00 PM**

— this. How can I as a citizen do something about that? Is there a number to call?

iamrobk · #**17408** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

— this. How can I as a citizen do something about that? Is there a number to call?

Call and email your Councilperson, as well as all the at-large Councilpersons.

jsbrook · #**17409** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 7:14 PM**

Did anybody actually read the article? At an initial gut level, it rubs me the wrong way as well. However, Leo Addimando of BIA is supporting this package, and that goes a long way towards shaping my views. Life and governance requires compromise. Council was going to do something as to affordable housing. It just was. This may well be a net benefit to developers with the density bonuses and other pro-developer measures that were including. The devil is in the details, but I am cautiously optimistic.

Londonee · #**17410** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 7:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

^ How many planning, development, and RE professionals were involved in drafting of this bill? My guess is zero.

Wow, did anyone actually read the article? Trump's America: don't let facts get in the way of a good uproar.

jsbrook · #**17411** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 7:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Londonee

Wow, did anyone actually read the article? Trump's America: don't let facts get in the way of a good uproar.

Right...sheesh.

allovertown · #**17412** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

^ How many planning, development, and RE professionals were involved in drafting of this bill? My guess is zero.

Why guess? Why not just read the — article and inform yourself before spouting off ignorance?

Gonzo the Great · #**17413** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 7:40 PM**

Well , I read this part .......

The new affordable housing package, spearheaded now by Clarke, has been shrouded in secrecy.

Only a handful of people knew the contents of his bill until Tuesday afternoon when Clarke held a closed-door briefing of members of Council’s Finance Committee. Staffers were not allowed to attend. The fact sheets given to members for review were confiscated before they left the room.

McBane · #**17414** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 8:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Why guess? Why not just read the — article and inform yourself before spouting off ignorance?

Woah. Don't get your — in a bunch over nothing. I did read the PlanPhilly article and other then what Gonzo mentioned above, I didn't see anything implying that Council engaged with anyone. Next time, I suggest using the Preview function before posting attacks on a fellow forumer and acting like a douche.

allovertown · #**17415** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

Woah. Don't get your — in a bunch over nothing. I did read the PlanPhilly article and other then what Gonzo mentioned above, I didn't see anything implying that Council engaged with anyone. Next time, I suggest using the Preview function before posting attacks on a fellow forumer and acting like a douche.

You read it? Did you miss the part about Leo Addimando of the Building Industry Association supporting the bill? You know, the leader of a group representing the interests of the construction and development companies that would be most affected by this and who was strongly against previous versions of this bill? Showing that they not only involved outside development professionals in the creation of this bill as you questioned, but also that they changed it to get their approval.

Give me a break, you didn't read it. You still haven't. Or you've read it and you're completing misunderstood huge sections of it. You can decide what is worse and pick the less embarrassing option.

McBane · #**17416** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 9:49 PM**

I don't need to explain myself to you and I'm not going to continue this childish back and forth. We're all supposedly "on the same team" so I just don't get when forumers go on attack mode and get all nasty against one another. If we wanted to read posts like these, we'd all be on Philly.com.

Hopefully the moderators delete these posts.

Peace and love to all.

jsbrook · #**17417** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

You read it? Did you miss the part about Leo Addimando of the Building Industry Association supporting the bill? You know, the leader of a group representing the interests of the construction and development companies that would be most affected by this and who was strongly against previous versions of this bill? Showing that they not only involved outside development professionals in the creation of this bill as you questioned, but also that they changed it to get their approval.

Give me a break, you didn't read it. You still haven't. Or you've read it and you're completing misunderstood huge sections of it. You can decide what is worse and pick the less embarrassing option.

Whoa, calm down. I agree that McBane didn't properly credit what the article said about BIA support. But you don't need to be so nasty about it..

allovertown · #**17418** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by McBane

I don't need to explain myself to you and I'm not going to continue this childish back and forth. We're all supposedly "on the same team" so I just don't get when forumers go on attack mode and get all nasty against one another. If we wanted to read posts like these, we'd all be on Philly.com.

Hopefully the moderators delete these posts.

Peace and love to all.

Your post was blatantly wrong, if you read the article you'd see they obviously did exactly what you were criticizing them for not doing.

I was too strong and needlessly rude in my condemnation. For that I apoligize. But it's frustrating to see feedback such as yours after reading the article and coming away with the impression that council had actually seemingly done a good job in balancing multiple interests here.

There's always been a certain disgusting element to this forum where people seem to empathize more with buildings than their fellow citizens. Perhaps it was wrong of me to immediately toss you into this group, but you know that there are people on this forum who would be against any measures to help the poor in this city regardless of the details.

Hope there's no hard feelings.

jsbrook · #**17419** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Your post was blatantly wrong, if you read the article you'd see they obviously did exactly what you were criticizing them for not doing.

I was too strong and needlessly rude in my condemnation. For that I apoligize. But it's frustrating to see feedback such as yours after reading the article and coming away with the impression that council had actually seemingly done a good job in balancing multiple interests here.

There's always been a certain disgusting element to this forum where people seem to empathize more with buildings than their fellow citizens. Perhaps it was wrong of me to immediately toss you into this group, but you know that there are people on this forum who would be against any measures to help the poor in this city regardless of the details.

Hope there's no hard feelings.

Also people that would sing the praises of a tower that looked like a literal, flesh-toned middle finger as long as it was tall. So you're not entirely wrong...

iheartphilly · #**17420** Posted **Apr 11, 2018, 11:33 PM**

Nothing wrong with helping the poor (as defined by someone with $26k in annual income (AMI) in the article), and some of this 1% tax revenue stream will also help people with an AMI between 30-115%. I suppose that's poor if you are wanting to be a homeowner. And, so of course the guy representing the BIA will be supportive of it. The cost of the 1% will be passed on to the buyer as he figures. It's not coming out of their pockets and as developers will see the opportunity to develop and profit, they will pass this cost to the buyers.

Further in the article, there's mentioned that this may go to replace the tax abatement on new construction. So, this doesn't seem to be the same benefit to the buyer of a new construction home. The abatement is basically property relief for the buyer and the 1% new construction tax is levied on essentially the buyer.

So I go back to the beginning again, and say there's not wrong with help the poor by giving your time in a worthy endeavor that benefits them or giving money in the form of a charitable contribution that benefits them, etc. Let me decide, but don't shove it down my throat. But to me this is a compulsory tax if you want to live in new construction establish by local government. I'm guessing this will have an impact on the demand for new construction.

If you want less government in your life, I guess this isn't what it is suppose to be.