YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

we need a cheat sheet so some of these posts make sense to those who don't understand airplane geek speak

what is CX and PR? or ORD or IAH etc.

Rule of thumb, a two letter/letter and number code is an airline's International Air Transport Association (IATA) code.

Air Canada IATA code = AC
Cathay Pacific IATA code = CX
JetBlue IATA code = B6

This is usually used at the start of an airline's flight number (AC074, CX888, etc.) and it is why a flight that "codeshares" with other airlines can have multiple flight numbers for the same physical airline.

To complicate things further, if it's a three letter code it may be either an airline's International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) code or and an airport's IATA code.

Air Canada ICAO code = ACA
Cathay Pacific ICAO code = CPA
JetBlue ICAO code = JBU

Vancouver Int'l Airport IATA code = YVR

A four letter code is an airport's ICAO code.

Vancouver Int'l Airport ICAO code = CYVR

Wikipedia list of airline codes
Wikipedia list of airport codes

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

we need a cheat sheet so some of these posts make sense to those who don't understand airplane geek speak

what is CX and PR? or ORD or IAH etc.

And remember, whatever you do, don't use a "u" in qantas....

[SpongeG]

Thx SFUVancouver

Was at the airport last night, outside the international departures area, towards the domestic side they have some construction work going on with tarps and stuff set up, anyone know what they are doing?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

we need a cheat sheet so some of these posts make sense to those who don't understand airplane geek speak

what is CX and PR? or ORD or IAH etc.

One of the reasons people use airport codes is that it reduces ambiguity when talking about airports.

Toronto's a good example. Airlines like Flair advertise Vancouver - Toronto flights but in reality, they're YXX ( Abbotsford ) to YHM ( Hamilton ).

Allegiant markets their flights ( even on their website ) as Vancouver/Bellingham to Las Vegas... BLI-LAS is more clear.

If I'm flying to Tokyo, Vancouver-Tokyo could be either NRT or HND.

NRT was originally called New Tokyo International Airport (now called Tokyo Narita Airport )
HND is called Tokyo International Airport.

Most people just call them Haneda and Narita.

NRT is served by AC (Air Canada) and JL ( JAL ) from YVR (Vancouver)
HND is served by NH (All Nippon Airlines) from YVR.

I know the airport codes are confusing at times, but many large cities have multiple airports with similar names ( due to marketing most of the time ) and airport codes generally don't change, while airport names DO.

Interestingly, none of the main airports serving New York(JFK,EWR,LGA) contain "New York" in their names (JFK used to be called New York International Airport, though)

London has LCY, LHR, LGW, LTN, STN... or London City, Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton, Stansted ( ordered by distance from London )... but LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, LCY when ordered by passenger volume. The closest airport is often not the biggest.

[nname]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Toronto's a good example. Airlines like Flair advertise Vancouver - Toronto flights but in reality, they're YXX ( Abbotsford ) to YHM ( Hamilton ).

Well, they actually fly from YVR and to YYZ. It's just there's an intermediate stop YEG.

Speaking of which, when did Flair increase YVR-YEG service to 9x weekly? I remember it used to be 5x weekly....

[Johnny Aussie]

CA changing the night flight (CA997/998) from a 77W to a 333 from 1 July to 9 Sep.

However total service goes to 14 weekly on the YVR-PEK route for the period 7 August to 4 Sept when CA997/998 goes daily. Now we know where the CA cargo allotments from YEG went. Even if only for 4 weeks, this would not have been allowed under the current cap. So a daily 77W and a daily 333. The article says this is identical to August 2017 but I disagree. Summer 2017 was only 10 weekly. It was 14 weekly summer 2016.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/278036/air-china-3q18-long-haul-aircraft-changes/

Legend:

CA - Air China
PEK - Beijing Capital Airport
YVR - Vancouver Internationall Airport
YEG - Edmonton International Airport
77W - Boeing 777-300ER
333 - Airbus Industries A330-300

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

CA changing the night flight (CA997/998) from a 77W to a 333 from 1 July to 9 Sep.

However total service goes to 14 weekly on the YVR-PEK route for the period 7 August to 4 Sept when CA997/998 goes daily. Now we know where the CA cargo allotments from YEG went. Even if only for 4 weeks, this would not have been allowed under the current cap. So a daily 77W and a daily 333. The article says this is identical to August 2017 but I disagree. Summer 2017 was only 10 weekly. It was 14 weekly summer 2016.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/278036/air-china-3q18-long-haul-aircraft-changes/

Legend:

CA - Air China
PEK - Beijing Capital Airport
YVR - Vancouver Internationall Airport
YEG - Edmonton International Airport
77W - Boeing 777-300ER
333 - Airbus Industries A330-300

While we're at it:
788 - Boeing 787-8
789 - Boeing 787-9 (usually more cramped as they're pretty much all 9 across in Y)
etc.

Airline cabins (not necessarily your actual ticket class... but when referenced in the forums):
Y – Economy
W – Premium economy
J – Business
F – First

Some of the harder to guess airport codes:
ORD - Chicago
IAD - Washington DC
EWR - Newark, NJ ( New York )
IAH - Houston
PVG - Shanghai
CAN - Guangzhou
CDG - Paris
BOM - Mumbai
ICN - Seoul

[SpongeG]

Landing at YVR on sunday eve

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[Johnny Aussie]

Westjet is bringing back seasonal YVR - YXU (London, Ontario) for the peak summer. 3 weekly eastbound and 4 weekly westbound.
Flights will operate from 29 June to 7 Sept.

http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1333

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

CA changing the night flight (CA997/998) from a 77W to a 333 from 1 July to 9 Sep.

However total service goes to 14 weekly on the YVR-PEK route for the period 7 August to 4 Sept when CA997/998 goes daily. Now we know where the CA cargo allotments from YEG went. Even if only for 4 weeks, this would not have been allowed under the current cap. So a daily 77W and a daily 333.

CA hasn't operated cargo flights to YEG for over a year now. Plus those flights were only 2x weekly. In that time frame, PEK-YUL went from 4x weekly to 6x weekly.

This is most likely additional frequency that was granted to CA on temporary basis, which is allowed as per the bilateral. Canada would not object, as this would benefit AC as much as CA, considering the JV is supposed to be wrapped up soon.

Capacity to be provided on the agreed services in excess of the entitlements set out in this Agreement may from time to time be agreed between both Contracting Parties or their aeronautical authorities, subject to the approval (expressly or tacitly) of the aeronautical authorities of both Contracting Parties.

http://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=105042

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

3 weekly eastbound and 4 weekly westbound.

How? I guess WestJet will teleport their plane to YXU weekly for the extra westbound service?

Well, in the paragraph above it says 3x weekly... I guess they haven't noticed the error yet

[nname]

Seems like YVR-DEL will be 6x weekly through the entire winter season 2018-19. It will run on x7.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

CA hasn't operated cargo flights to YEG for over a year now. Plus those flights were only 2x weekly. In that time frame, PEK-YUL went from 4x weekly to 6x weekly.

This is most likely additional frequency that was granted to CA on temporary basis, which is allowed as per the bilateral. Canada would not object, as this would benefit AC as much as CA, considering the JV is supposed to be wrapped up soon.

They were probably "keeping" the cargo frequencies for future use but maybe they've abandoned that route permanently. During the periods when YVR is less than 14 weekly, the allotment cap is not an issue. The CA allotment is 19 per week max. So during the period when YVR is 14 weekly combined with the 6 weekly YUL flights, this exceeds the allotment by 1. Usually when permission is required Transport Canada issues an order/decision publicly stating that 1) Air China has requested the additional short term capacity, 2) Air Canada has agreed to this increase and 3) Transport Canada issues the license for the temporary capacity increase. So going forward the CA allotment cap won't be an issue as long as total weekly frequencies don't exceed 19.

Originally Posted by nname

Seems like YVR-DEL will be 6x weekly through the entire winter season 2018-19. It will run on x7.

That's pretty amazing... assuming this route is exceeding expectations.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

we need a cheat sheet so some of these posts make sense to those who don't understand airplane geek speak

It actually comes pretty quick. I only really got interested in this stuff a few years ago (because of this very thread) and in a couple years of casually reading the thread I can understand most of the codes (though I always have to think of CZ vs CX)

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

CA changing the night flight (CA997/998) from a 77W to a 333 from 1 July to 9 Sep.

However total service goes to 14 weekly on the YVR-PEK route for the period 7 August to 4 Sept when CA997/998 goes daily. Now we know where the CA cargo allotments from YEG went. Even if only for 4 weeks, this would not have been allowed under the current cap. So a daily 77W and a daily 333. The article says this is identical to August 2017 but I disagree. Summer 2017 was only 10 weekly. It was 14 weekly summer 2016.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/278036/air-china-3q18-long-haul-aircraft-changes/

This is actually a huge capacity boost! As far as I can tell peak week to peak week it is a 40% increase over CA's 2017 summer service.

Originally Posted by nname

Seems like YVR-DEL will be 6x weekly through the entire winter season 2018-19. It will run on x7.

Great news. From what I remember last winter it was 7xPW for a week or two but 3xPW to 5xPW other than that so 6xPW all winter is another continued improvement.


Also, anyone else agitated by how slow YVR is getting out their monthly stats in 2018? They used to have them out 3 or 4 days into the month following, now it seems mid month.

Don't they know I have no patience?!?

[osirisboy]

email them to post it online. They always have them done on the 2nd of the month

[SpongeG]

a video about the upgraded lighting at YVR

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[Johnny Aussie]

Looking at flairair.ca it looks like Flair is launching some new routes from YVR this summer:

YYC (nonstop)
YXS (nonstop)
YXE (direct)
YWG (nonstop)

These are in addition to existing routes to YEG (nonstop), YLW (nonstop) and YYZ (direct).

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Looking at flairair.ca it looks like Flair is launching some new routes from YVR this summer:

YYC (nonstop)
YXS (nonstop)
YXE (direct)
YWG (nonstop)

These are in addition to existing routes to YEG (nonstop), YLW (nonstop) and YYZ (direct).

Seems like they must be doing well?

July schedule:

6x weekly YLW (all non-stop)
9x weekly YYC (7x non-stop, 2x stop at YLW)
21x weekly YEG (19x non-stop, 2x stop at YXS)
2x weekly YXE (all stop at YXS+YEG) <- the 2-stop is not bookable though?
2x weekly YXS (all non-stop)
8x weekly YWG (2x non-stop, 6x stop at YYC)
8x weekly YYZ (all stop at YEG)

So in summer, there will be 36x weekly out of YVR, compared to 9x weekly last summer and 13x weekly this spring.

The routing should be:

4x YLW-YVR-YEG-YYZ
4x YVR-YEG-YYZ
2x YVR-YLW-YYC
6x YVR-YYC-YWG
2x YVR-YXS-YEG-YXE
1x YVR-YYC
2x YVR-YWG
11x YVR-YEG

[LeftCoaster]

Pretty strong growth. Still don't know if this thing will last but good to see they are flying out of YVR and not YXX.

If ULCC flying does eventually find a niche in Canada I wonder if YVR would ever look to create a dedicated ULCC terminal, perhaps over by the existing south terminal to allow for a lower cost terminal operation.

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Pretty strong growth. Still don't know if this thing will last but good to see they are flying out of YVR and not YXX.

If ULCC flying does eventually find a niche in Canada I wonder if YVR would ever look to create a dedicated ULCC terminal, perhaps over by the existing south terminal to allow for a lower cost terminal operation.

They still flying out of YXX though. In fact, they also increase the flying there by a little this summer. However, the majority of the increase seems to be at YEG, YVR, and YYZ.

In fact, YVR is now Flair's second biggest city behind YEG (104 weekly flights) and ahead of YYZ (28) and YXX (24).