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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 5:06 PM
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Our council is a bunch of dinosaurs for the most part who are providing no leadership. When you follow the council meetings and even the media is making comments like the new three are trying again with this and with this and not having success. Mancinelli, Stevens and Bresciani are trying to steer council to some different things, but the rest are very much status quo and not changing anything. What we need is a big change at council when the next municipal election comes up -- some competition for mayor and more new councillors with new ideas and a commitment to having a plan to follow. Everything is reactionary, not proactive.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 8:18 PM
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I usually just see them doing studies and developing vague plans like the OCP, the downtown plan, the transit plan, etc, etc. And then these vague plans sit on a shelf until they are stale dated and they start over again. We never ever take the vague plan and turn it into a priority list and implementation plan.

OCP calls for 30% infill development. And yet the City approves gazillions of sprawl development with no consideration given for how in the heck they will hit the 30% target. Why even bother?

Downtown plan was very detailed and had the input and buy-in of the City, Regina Downtown, land owners and businesses. They actually started implementing it, with Pat's Patio, and then did a complete reversal on the design, screwing up traffic and transit flow, and making the plaza a confusing wasteland, and then they completely abandoned the plan entirely, leaving us with a cludged together mess of downtown that still has crappy sidewalks, piles of parking lots, desolate boulevards, and a waste of $15-20 million on the plaza.
It's a frustrating combination of appeasing developers, and listening too closely to the squeaky wheels. This was seen in the Plaza - whether you agree with it or not, given that it was moving forward, it should be done properly... not a half-arsed mess that pleases no one. Opening the plaza up to traffic was a short-sighted decision that attempted to make everyone happy, and in doing so, made very few happy. If you're going to half-arse it, just kill the project all together. As a pedestrian walking on the plaza, I'm constantly looking over my shoulder for vehicles... even in the areas which are clearly non-vehicular (it's a mess... drivers get confuse & drive all over the place).

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Our council is a bunch of dinosaurs for the most part who are providing no leadership. When you follow the council meetings and even the media is making comments like the new three are trying again with this and with this and not having success. Mancinelli, Stevens and Bresciani are trying to steer council to some different things, but the rest are very much status quo and not changing anything. What we need is a big change at council when the next municipal election comes up -- some competition for mayor and more new councillors with new ideas and a commitment to having a plan to follow. Everything is reactionary, not proactive.
You nailed it. Council needs to lead. They need to set a vision. They need to provide strategic direction to their staff (the City Manager), and then get out of the way. They don't. As you note, all but 3 Councillors are happy to maintain the status quo. The rest will ask for reports, then challenge details in the report, and ask for a revision/clarification, then ask more inane questions about the new report [repeat]... this Council is a useless group of paper-shufflers.

And they take their direction from the few vocal residents who choose to call/email, while limiting delegations to Council to 5mins, sticking precisely to their pre-submitted presentation ("welcome - please spend 5minutes doing a word-for-word reading of the presentation you submitted to us a week ago... we couldn't be bothered to read it. But Lord help you if you vary the words even slightly... the wrath of the Chair will rain down on you!"). What a waste of time. Councillors should have read the Agenda packet in advance, and come prepared to ask the delegations useful questions. It's like they think they're representing the couple of squeaky wheels & are unable to wrap their heads around the fact that they are supposed to be acting in the long-term best interest of the city as a whole.

And Council modeling this behaviour seems to have trickled down to committees. My favourite of late is the Community & Protective Services committee deciding in 2018 to explore "new" parking options that were recommended in a 2014 report. The new technologies are no longer new (calling them new in 2014 was questionable), and they will be obsolete when & if the City actually decides to implement them... note that the Committee didn't recommend adopting this new approach... they have committed to explore options. Best case scenario - the "new" parking options will be in place in 2019. More realistically, we're looking at 2021.

Summary: They asked for recommendations nearly 5 years ago; got the report & recommendations; [insert 4 years of ????]; and have now committed to considering options.

Meanwhile, every other city in Canada (probably North America) has several years of this "new" technology under their belt. Regina need only buy it/implement it.
(same storyline goes for recycling; smoking bylaws; snow routes; sidewalk clearing bylaws; parking enforcement; etc... every solution takes Regina 4-5 years longer than every other city, and we always seem to re-invent the wheel needlessly).
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 9:02 PM
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What has this mayor done for the down town I can’t think of any thing except the bus depot he’s got no passion no vision his legacy will be a big fat O
     
     
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So, a question: With the city expanding westward, what is the plan to get people into the city centre in a quicker fashion? I recently was out on Dewdney near the edge of the city...and man, that drive back to Lewvan at 50km/h is horrible. I can't imagine having to live out there and make that drive each day in traffic.

I know the answer*, but is there any plan to move Dewdney up to 70 or 80km/h long-term by buying up the residential lots on the north side of the road and converting it into a major arterial road?

It seems like every other "end" of the city has access to either the Ring Rd or Lewvan to speed up movement around the city, but the west end does not. Will the west bypass even be close enough to be worth going out of the city and then around and back into it in the South or East?

*the answer is that council will create a committee to plan another committee meeting in 2022 to consider whether or not to ask the public in 2027.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 10:14 PM
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What has this mayor done for the down town I can’t think of any thing except the bus depot he’s got no passion no vision his legacy will be a big fat O
Championed ruining Wascana Park with developments.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 10:49 PM
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Moving the tracks IS small town thinking. The bypass was small town thinking.

Won't someone think of the cars!
You do realize Regina is a cold and snow swept hellhole for 6 months of the year, right? Encouraging people to park their cars and freeze their asses off for 6 months won't fly here.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 10:50 PM
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So, a question: With the city expanding westward, what is the plan to get people into the city centre in a quicker fashion? I recently was out on Dewdney near the edge of the city...and man, that drive back to Lewvan at 50km/h is horrible. I can't imagine having to live out there and make that drive each day in traffic.

I know the answer*, but is there any plan to move Dewdney up to 70 or 80km/h long-term by buying up the residential lots on the north side of the road and converting it into a major arterial road?

It seems like every other "end" of the city has access to either the Ring Rd or Lewvan to speed up movement around the city, but the west end does not. Will the west bypass even be close enough to be worth going out of the city and then around and back into it in the South or East?

*the answer is that council will create a committee to plan another committee meeting in 2022 to consider whether or not to ask the public in 2027.
I think the WRB will be very useful but you will cut-off and use the Ring Road at the Pinkie interchange and take RR to the University, Conexus Arts Centre, Vic Ave, etc. You would only go all the way south on the Bypass if you were going to the eastern edge of Regina (new Costco, Aurora, Brandt, CTV, TCH east...)

There is a long term plan to extend Sask Drive west along the CP mainline. EDIT: There is $7.3 million allocated in the 2015 five year capital plan for land purchases and engineering.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2018, 10:51 PM
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You do realize Regina is a cold and snow swept hellhole for 6 months of the year, right? Encouraging people to park their cars and freeze their asses off for 6 months won't fly here.
Come on. You are totally exaggerating. It is only 5.5 months.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 1:25 AM
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I walked down the alley the other day and it looks like there's a façade test that's been done....

If this is the actual final design, I'm a little on the fence... We don't want everything to be glass and blue/silver tones; you have have something to break the skyline up a bit. I'm just not sure how this will look on a larger scale.

I noticed on my way home this evening that there are quite a few panels already attached to the north facade of the SaskTel building on Lorne Street that is undergoing renovations. The panels are similar to the ones in Nathan's photo, other than they are all a cream colour (unless there is a protective covering over them). Not sure what to think at this point. Also, there are going to be far less windows in the building compared to what they had.
Sorry, I don't have a smartphone, so maybe someone can take a picture and post it.
     
     
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A well respected, well travelled urban planner from Toronto was brought in to help with a Tactical Urbanism session sponsored by Warehouse District and Downtown last month.

He checked out the downtown plaza and couldnt believe what a mess it was.

We all know this. The more frustrating part is that there is no plan to fix it.

He also noted the major problem Regina has regarding downtown is that there is no City liason working directly with the Downtown BID. When I attended the International Downtown Conference last fall, it was repeatedly stated that this is critical to accomplishing any meaningful improvement to a downtown.

Literally the only plan the City has for downtown right now is to one day maybe think about doing something about the outdated parking meters.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 4:08 AM
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A well respected, well travelled urban planner from Toronto was brought in to help with a Tactical Urbanism session sponsored by Warehouse District and Downtown last month.

He checked out the downtown plaza and couldnt believe what a mess it was.

We all know this. The more frustrating part is that there is no plan to fix it.

He also noted the major problem Regina has regarding downtown is that there is no City liason working directly with the Downtown BID. When I attended the International Downtown Conference last fall, it was repeatedly stated that this is critical to accomplishing any meaningful improvement to a downtown.
Did we ever have a liason between the two?

And how do we get the city to smarten up on these things or can we?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 4:18 AM
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I find the idea that a liaison would help is hilarious. The BID is useless and more meetings isn't going to do anything.

Downtown needs a good city council. Nothing else.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 11:01 AM
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We would love anything there , the opposite side where the tracks are revolting , even worse from Albert Street to where the new stadium is has got to be the ugliest street in Canada does not council drive there and say oh man this needs an extreme makeover they need a drive through to take a look at it
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 11:03 AM
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The Brandt centre is by far the most hideous hockey place in Canada it’s revolting beyound believe
     
     
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So, a question: With the city expanding westward, what is the plan to get people into the city centre in a quicker fashion? I recently was out on Dewdney near the edge of the city...and man, that drive back to Lewvan at 50km/h is horrible. I can't imagine having to live out there and make that drive each day in traffic.

I know the answer*, but is there any plan to move Dewdney up to 70 or 80km/h long-term by buying up the residential lots on the north side of the road and converting it into a major arterial road?

It seems like every other "end" of the city has access to either the Ring Rd or Lewvan to speed up movement around the city, but the west end does not. Will the west bypass even be close enough to be worth going out of the city and then around and back into it in the South or East?

*the answer is that council will create a committee to plan another committee meeting in 2022 to consider whether or not to ask the public in 2027.
The drive from Westerra to the downtown is 13-15 minutes (20 during heavy traffic). Buying up the north side of Dewdney between McCarthy and Lewvan would cost at least 20 million if not more. Expanding Dewdney and raising the speed limit to 70 kph would only save 45 seconds (at most) travel time for a driver along this stretch. Considering the amount of people who would lose their affordable homes, and the fact the project would likely cost 35+ million to complete, it would be a complete and massive waste of money.

If anything, Dewdney (once Sask Drive connects to Courtney) would probably benefit greatly from a road diet - NOT an expansion. Its actually quite a beautiful street with the old tree canopy and institutional uses on the south side. Its the 6 lane wide road that make it an unpleasant place.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2018, 4:35 PM
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A well respected, well travelled urban planner from Toronto was brought in to help with a Tactical Urbanism session sponsored by Warehouse District and Downtown last month.

He checked out the downtown plaza and couldnt believe what a mess it was.

We all know this. The more frustrating part is that there is no plan to fix it.

He also noted the major problem Regina has regarding downtown is that there is no City liason working directly with the Downtown BID. When I attended the International Downtown Conference last fall, it was repeatedly stated that this is critical to accomplishing any meaningful improvement to a downtown.

Literally the only plan the City has for downtown right now is to one day maybe think about doing something about the outdated parking meters.
I'd love to see the Downtown BID do a better job... but I feel like they keep waiting for the City to step up, and the City keeps waiting for the BID to step up. At the end of the day, the City's responsible for downtown's biggest issues. And, as BD2 notes - downtown needs a good City Council. We can fund all of the studies, reports, liaison meetings, public consultations, etc that the City/DT BID like, but if Council continues to be a directionless, spineless group of paper-shufflers, nothing will change - City Admin isn't going out on a limb* without Council's explicit endorsement.

We were just up in Saskatoon - the differences in attitude/ approach to downtown are stunning. Benches; tables; bike racks; public art; traffic calming measures; sidewalks properly maintained (aka: there isn't a significant tripping hazard every 15-20'); blocks & blocks of street-level retail; signage that is helpful & aimed at both pedestrians & drivers; parking that is easy to use & actually encourages people to explore downtown; etc.

Yes, Saskatoon's downtown is a natural draw due to river/riverwalk, so this may be a chicken or egg situation... regardless of what initially drew people/businesses/restaurants to downtown Stoon, the City has clearly put a concerted effort into making the area into a well-maintained, attractive place for people.

Look at Regina - sidewalks are crumbling (Hamilton/12th & Cornwall/11th are the only major sidewalk work done downtown in the past 5-7years. At best, there've been small patch jobs to decrease liability) & covered with hazards (anyone else love the steel plates randomly scattered across DT sidewalks... most with at least one dog-ear, and many falling into the holes they're 'covering?"); then there's a the jumble of parking meters cluttering up the sidewalk (Regina's incoherent DT parking clusterduck is a post of its own); other than the chairs/tables/bike racks on the Plaza, and at the corner of 12th/Hamilton, there's no public benches/tables/racks downtown - this sends a message. The entire core is clearly oriented to drivers (with the exception of Scarth St Mall). A few traffic calming measures would do wonders for downtown.

All of the above takes leadership, vision, and commitment - something all but 3 or 4 City Councillors lack.

And the tough part is that entrepreneurs in Regina have been doing their part - they've been opening restaurants, pubs & businesses (yes, some have closed, that's the nature of the beast) downtown & giving the area a vibe... even though Regina has long been regarded as a suburban city. They've been drawing crowds. At some point, the City needs to step up to the table.


* for clarity "out on a limb" in Regina is called "day-to-day operations" in most other cities.
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The drive from Westerra to the downtown is 13-15 minutes (20 during heavy traffic). Buying up the north side of Dewdney between McCarthy and Lewvan would cost at least 20 million if not more. Expanding Dewdney and raising the speed limit to 70 kph would only save 45 seconds (at most) travel time for a driver along this stretch. Considering the amount of people who would lose their affordable homes, and the fact the project would likely cost 35+ million to complete, it would be a complete and massive waste of money.

If anything, Dewdney (once Sask Drive connects to Courtney) would probably benefit greatly from a road diet - NOT an expansion. Its actually quite a beautiful street with the old tree canopy and institutional uses on the south side. Its the 6 lane wide road that make it an unpleasant place.
Totally agree with this. Before I was moved to Ottawa I lived pretty much on the corner of Dewdney and McCarthy. It is a very nice street and if there is a plan to expand Sask Drive to Courtney it will make that area even more appealing.
     
     
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I posted this in the food/pub thread but I stumbled across an updated site plan for Grasslands in Harbor Landing. Some highlights include:

- Olive Garden
- Starbucks
- Tamarind

See more here: http://harvard.ca/+pub/document/2018_Grasslands_Brochure.pdf
     
     
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