Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Yes all the broke students need to be whisked right to the front door of school paid for by the tax payers

Ah, so poor people who are trying to make something of themselves are less deserving of a decent infrastructure, then? We should only build it for the rich who are already successful? But wait - don't the rich have other alternatives?

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Ah, so poor people who are trying to make something of themselves are less deserving of a decent infrastructure, then? We should only build it for the rich who are already successful? But wait - don't the rich have other alternatives?

Aberdeen, please let me say that you've made a very good point. Hitting the nail right on the head. It's normally people who don't have cars and cannot afford them who need transit.

[GlassCity]

Actually, any dense travel destination needs transit, and when UBC has ~55,000 students and ~15,000 staff, yeah, it needs good transit. I don't get the attitude that university students don't need it. Who cares what the individual characteristics of the people are? Is there demand overwhelming current supply? That's really all that matters. It's a mathematical decision.

[swimmer_spe]

From the closest station in Toronto to York U is about 5km.

From VCC Clark to UBC is 14km.

That is why the one to York got done sooner.

[DKaz]

This is exciting news. Terminating it at Arbutus is not a huge issue in the interim because it gets people past the choke point of Broadway between Granville and Main. The bus ride from Arbutus to UBC will see less variance in travel times due to peak hour traffic.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Actually, any dense travel destination needs transit, and when UBC has ~55,000 students and ~15,000 staff, yeah, it needs good transit. I don't get the attitude that university students don't need it. Who cares what the individual characteristics of the people are? Is there demand overwhelming current supply? That's really all that matters. It's a mathematical decision.

What about the 4 months of the year when most students and staff go on holidays?

It's not justifiable to have a skytrain line serving low density neighbourhoods go all the way to the University at all times of the year. Rapid buses are more flexible: higher frequency during peak school sessions and lower during the holidays.

If West Broadway and 10th Avenue get densified from Arbutus to UBC, then by all means continue the line all the way there.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Vin

If West Broadway and 10th Avenue get densified from Arbutus to UBC, then by all means continue the line all the way there.

Density on the west side?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

What an ignorant comment. There are almost 15000 Faculty and Staff at UBC as well.

Ron.

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Ah, so poor people who are trying to make something of themselves are less deserving of a decent infrastructure, then? We should only build it for the rich who are already successful? But wait - don't the rich have other alternatives?

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Aberdeen, please let me say that you've made a very good point. Hitting the nail right on the head. It's normally people who don't have cars and cannot afford them who need transit.

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Actually, any dense travel destination needs transit, and when UBC has ~55,000 students and ~15,000 staff, yeah, it needs good transit. I don't get the attitude that university students don't need it. Who cares what the individual characteristics of the people are? Is there demand overwhelming current supply? That's really all that matters. It's a mathematical decision.

Please remember to not feed the troll. If you'll recall, libtard's been flame-baiting the thread since forever.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Density on the west side?

Hey now, Kerrisdale is grudgingly accepting an eight-storey "megatower" as we speak!

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by libtard

Yes all the broke students need to be whisked right to the front door of school paid for by the tax payers

those "broke students" will become workers and taxpayers after they graduate. the more successful graduates will be paid more (and be taxed more) over their lifetimes compared to if they didn't get a post-secondary education, which should be enough to offset the cost of extending to it to UBC sooner rather than later

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Vin

What about the 4 months of the year when most students and staff go on holidays?

It's not justifiable to have a skytrain line serving low density neighbourhoods go all the way to the University at all times of the year. Rapid buses are more flexible: higher frequency during peak school sessions and lower during the holidays.

If West Broadway and 10th Avenue get densified from Arbutus to UBC, then by all means continue the line all the way there.

I obviously don't have access to the data, but I imagine there's a possibility that construction costs would still be covered by school-time ridership eventually, and that school-year ridership may also be so high that it operational costs may still be over come too.

All the (much more operationally expensive) bus routes that could be cut/truncated too would certainly contribute to this too.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

All the (much more operationally expensive) bus routes that could be cut/truncated too would certainly contribute to this too.

Which ones? The 16 might be able to use the new bus loop, and that's about it; the 9 and 14 are indispensable, the 3, 10 and 15 will keep going downtown regardless, and the 8 and 17 don't have any room to turn around on Broadway and go back.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Which ones? The 16 might be able to use the new bus loop, and that's about it; the 9 and 14 are indispensable, the 3, 10 and 15 will keep going downtown regardless, and the 8 and 17 don't have any room to turn around on Broadway and go back.

The 99 most of all! But also other parallel routes further south. Maybe the 33 could terminate at a Sasamat station, for example. Again, I obviously don't have the numbers, but one would think that when you add that much service to somewhere, you can reduce it elsewhere.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

The 99 most of all! But also other parallel routes further south. Maybe the 33 could terminate at a Sasamat station, for example. Again, I obviously don't have the numbers, but one would think that when you add that much service to somewhere, you can reduce it elsewhere.

The 99 is the most efficient bus route that TransLink operates, at an annual service cost of $0.60 per boarded passenger. TransLink makes money off the 99.

Edit: Just to put some perspective, the 9 follows the same route but makes more stops, and its service cost is $1.12 per boarded customer, or roughly twice as much as the 99.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Edit: Just to put some perspective, the 9 follows the same route but makes more stops, and its service cost is $1.12 per boarded customer, or roughly twice as much as the 99.

And yet, still turns a profit!

[SpongeG]

have they designed the stations yet or will that only start now? I wonder how they will do the arbutus station

[casper]

Originally Posted by Vin

What about the 4 months of the year when most students and staff go on holidays?

It's not justifiable to have a skytrain line serving low density neighbourhoods go all the way to the University at all times of the year. Rapid buses are more flexible: higher frequency during peak school sessions and lower during the holidays.

If West Broadway and 10th Avenue get densified from Arbutus to UBC, then by all means continue the line all the way there.

More justification for UBC to abandon that antiquated Sept-June structure and adopt a system similar to SFU. That will even out the ridership and more effectively make use of all the infrastructure on the campus.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

have they designed the stations yet or will that only start now? I wonder how they will do the arbutus station

Right now, the City's doing open houses to get "design guidelines" for the stations and route, which they'll then send to TransLink. In other words, they're still planning the plan.

Arbutus is definitely going to be a funny one. So long as there's room for an LRT tunnel though, I'm happy.

[Bobert]

I really hope the cambie station is done right. There was a bit of back and forth back in this thread with the idea flaoting that they may not integrate the lines properly.

If we have to surface to transfer between Millenium and Canada line, imo, it is a massive failure of design and planning.

[Migrant_Coconut]

You can relax, the reps at the open house said there's definitely going to be a tunnel between the platforms.

Whether the Millennium Line will have its own entrance or use the Canada Line station's, however, is still up in the air...