Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction

[Reecemartin]

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[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

All depends on your outlook. In New York they are closing the Canarsie tunnel between Manhattan and (Brooklyn/Queens) for 1.5 years to do maintenance work. Even when the option was presented of limited service but extending the work time the community decided to do it quick. It's similar to Broadway, do we want deeply disrupted service but for a short period, or less disrupted service for a long one.

And in Burnaby they had the option to close the Metrotown station to do the station upgrade, which would have given deeply disrupted service but for a short period. Instead they chose less disrupted service for a longer period.

Given the history of the Canada Line there's no way they're going to do cut-and-cover down Broadway. No way.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

And in Burnaby they had the option to close the Metrotown station to do the station upgrade, which would have given deeply disrupted service but for a short period. Instead they chose less disrupted service for a longer period.

Given the history of the Canada Line there's no way they're going to do cut-and-cover down Broadway. No way.

I'd rather go the slow and not very disruptive route as opposed to the fast and shut down all of broadway route.

[jsbertram]

london did it decades ago - and kept the tube running, along with surface traffic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptRsgw6RisI

L.A. installed road decking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvNp2Ux6cE

and dug out the space for the station while traffic flowed on the deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAEtWAkqU4

... and are now building the station

no reason vancouver can't follow these examples to keep road traffic flowing while building the stations under the road

[s211]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

london did it decades ago - and kept the tube running, along with surface traffic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptRsgw6RisI

L.A. installed road decking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvNp2Ux6cE

and dug out the space for the station while traffic flowed on the deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAEtWAkqU4

... and are now building the station

no reason vancouver can't follow these examples to keep road traffic flowing while building the stations under the road

No reason? We only need one reason to kill such plans, and the reason is this: Vancouver.

[kaitoe]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

And in Burnaby they had the option to close the Metrotown station to do the station upgrade, which would have given deeply disrupted service but for a short period. Instead they chose less disrupted service for a longer period.

Given the history of the Canada Line there's no way they're going to do cut-and-cover down Broadway. No way.

Yep, I spoke to a planner for the city at the recent Millennium Line Extension open house, asking if there was a possibility of the extension being done with cut-and-cover, and he said that it essentially has to be bored because the impact on businesses would be too significant, whereas for the Canada Line a large portion of Cambie was residential.

[officedweller]

Yup.
We did that on Seymour St (between The Bay and Bay Parkade) when Granville Station was built.

Originally Posted by jsbertram

london did it decades ago - and kept the tube running, along with surface traffic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptRsgw6RisI

L.A. installed road decking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvNp2Ux6cE

and dug out the space for the station while traffic flowed on the deck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAEtWAkqU4

... and are now building the station

no reason vancouver can't follow these examples to keep road traffic flowing while building the stations under the road

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The tunnels aren't all that much smaller - ever gotten on/off at Granville or Burrard?

All we know at this point is that TransLink realizes the need for more functional stations and longer platforms.

Just want to clarify that was not Translink's decision / doing.

The majority of the under building on the Canada Line was done because of pressure from numerous city mayors and city councillors.

Remember that Richmond wanted at grade LRT and Burnaby wanted nothing at all (big fucking surprise there!).

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Just want to clarify that was not Translink's decision / doing.

The majority of the under building on the Canada Line was done because of pressure from numerous city mayors and city councillors.

Remember that Richmond wanted at grade LRT and Burnaby wanted nothing at all (big fucking surprise there!).

A lot of people seem to forget that the project was voted down TWICE before it narrowly passed the 3rd time because the city was awarded the Olympics.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by kaitoe

Yep, I spoke to a planner for the city at the recent Millennium Line Extension open house, asking if there was a possibility of the extension being done with cut-and-cover, and he said that it essentially has to be bored because the impact on businesses would be too significant, whereas for the Canada Line a large portion of Cambie was residential.

the only portion that needs to be cut & street deck & build & cover again is the stations

as seen in my listed videos, the rest of the construction can be done using TBMs with minimal disruptions to streets and buildings nearby

[Reecemartin]

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[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Reecemartin

Station box design is connected with tunnel design, they aren't separate.

And yet despite having different tunnels, the stations look much the same. Subways are subways. The biggest part of station design comes from laying everything out so that people flow smoothly from faregate to retail to train and back again... and we don't know enough about where they're putting the platforms or entrances to speculate on that.

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Just want to clarify that was not Translink's decision / doing.

Let me rephrase it: TransLink has always realized the need for more capacity, and now the politicians do as well.

[SpongeG]

has anyone seen this? seems like a dumb idea taking it down 5th, no station on main street but on ontario instead? making people walk up pretty steep hills to get to broadway, lol

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[Migrant_Coconut]

Sounds like one of those "random lines on a map" ideas - it completely bypasses the area that needs rapid transit in favour of another that doesn't. I hereby sentence him to 24 hours of scrolling through Jarrett Walker blog posts.

[Reecemartin]

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[s211]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

has anyone seen this? seems like a dumb idea taking it down 5th, no station on main street but on ontario instead? making people walk up pretty steep hills to get to broadway, lol

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I'd direct the youtuber to a dictionary, because his/her definition of "perfect" is anything but perfect.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

has anyone seen this? seems like a dumb idea taking it down 5th, no station on main street but on ontario instead? making people walk up pretty steep hills to get to broadway, lol

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I was so offended by how stupid that video was, that I left a comment. And I have not left a comment on a youtube video for a long time.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I was so offended by how stupid that video was, that I left a comment. And I have not left a comment on a youtube video for a long time.

I went there just to read your comment. Tell us what you really think of his idea!

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Sheba

I went there just to read your comment. Tell us what you really think of his idea!

It would be dumber than invading Russia in the winter to put an expensive rapid transit line down the middle of buttfuck nowhere while you have a quasi-BRT line and a heavily used corridor in need of rapid transit so you can get rid of a busy as bus line that feels the effects of traffic for like most of its operating hours. Also, the idiot making the video doesn't realize that a good transit line needs strong anchor points, and since this isn't a bus line and is a rapid transit line with expensive ass stations, you need, LET ME FINISH, population, employment, and service (think businesses like retail stores, restaurants, places that provide a service like banks, lawyers offices, etc) density to justify building them. Like, I get that he doesn't want to disrupt the Broadway corridor, but you can bore underneath and probably build the underground/station box portion of the station and then build the station house/above ground portion.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

It would be dumber than invading Russia in the winter to put an expensive rapid transit line down the middle of buttfuck nowhere while you have a quasi-BRT line and a heavily used corridor in need of rapid transit so you can get rid of a busy as bus line that feels the effects of traffic for like most of its operating hours. Also, the idiot making the video doesn't realize that a good transit line needs strong anchor points, and since this isn't a bus line and is a rapid transit line with expensive ass stations, you need, LET ME FINISH, population, employment, and service (think businesses like retail stores, restaurants, places that provide a service like banks, lawyers offices, etc) density to justify building them. Like, I get that he doesn't want to disrupt the Broadway corridor, but you can bore underneath and probably build the underground/station box portion of the station and then build the station house/above ground portion.

I didn't watch more than the beginning of the video as I didn't want to lower my IQ. I looked at it on google maps just now and saw a rail line and thought well maybe they can do 'something' with it (not a rapid Skytrain line) - so I checked and it was part of the temporary Olympic line. Maybe at some point they'll use it again, or maybe not. I'm not too invested in it either way.