ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[jwbab]

More details on the Metlife project from the AJC:

Like the 1105 West Peachtree project, there will be three towers in this first phase.

James Murphy, a spokesman for MetLife, said the office and apartment towers will rise to approximately 25 stories, and the hotel is expected to be about 20 floors.

... half-million square feet of top-tier or Class A office space and about 87,000 square feet of retail along with the hotel and an unspecified number of residences.

Link: https://www.myajc.com/business/metlife-p...-midtown-atlanta/4b7RAk9tfOp9FjXonbp1xJ/

[ATLMidcity]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

just as an aside, even though it seems like north of 10th is getting the vast majority of development these days, it still doesn't feel really "urban"— not a lot of pedestrians after dark or a good number of people who aren't employed by one of the companies that have located there. it still feels sort of like an urbanized office park. south of 10th it seems to change, you've got more stuff like the 24/7 quiktrip, more stuff like laundromats and affordable places to eat and more foot traffic in general around the clock. even though it has seen less development it seems more like a real, functioning neighborhood. i wish we could get more residential apartments in midtown south of 10th that *aren't* luxury and make it more of an affordable alternative to live in midtown rather than commute. the shiny office buildings are neat and all but they're not really what makes up a neighborhood.

Just my 2 cents: I think the main difference between "north" Midtown and "south" Midtown is what's driving the pedestrian experience.
South of 10 is populated with a Publix grocery, multiple highrise GT student dorms, and eateries catering to those students. And it helps to have a university just across the Connector.

North of 10 will soon have a flagship Whole Food grocery, a couple of hipster hotels, and a hospital (which will bring more activity).

When I've biking in the Midtown area, it's a lot easier getting around (and more stimulating) south of 10th than it is north of 10th due to the not-so-hilly topography, the retail experience, and the size of the blocks, which are narrower than north of 10th.

North of 10th just feels like a bunch of super blocks (except along the Crescent corridor) and the Federal Reserve and the Dewberry mega blocks are either eyesores or a fortress.

But in 5 years, I do believe north of 10 will catch up to the southern half and become a seamless urban oasis celebrated at the "It" place in Atlanta urban core.

[Street Advocate]

A big portion of it is so little of 10-14th (and up to 17th, really) west of Peachtree is actually residences and/or retail. The majority of the land use has been parking lots and that’s just starting to change, although a lot of it will remain parking for the foreseeable future (unfortunately). I recall the when I moved to Atlanta (not too long ago, tbh) I thought midtown 5th-10th was so desolate to what I was accustomed, especially along west Peachtree and spring, I referred to Midtown as a parking lot rather than an urban city. My friends originally from Atlanta were dumbfounded at my take on the neighborhood.

Atlanta’s growing and things are getting better. Not as quickly as we (I) always hope, but I is improving. If these projects go off the ground, not only do they bring new residences, but they also provide new retail options for this part of midtown. Despite so many residences next to piedmont, the 10th-14th has really been lacking in retail/entertainment besides Crescent Ave.

[Ant131531]

I thought I was the only one who noticed a huge difference in the quality of the pedestrian experience south of 10th and north of 10th street. I really enjoy Midtown South of 10th street and north of 5th street(The Fox theatre area is also nice to enjoy the historic archecture and buzz during a show), but man, it does feel underwhelming once you hit the 14th street area. It's sad because I really like the quality of some of the buildings in the northern Midtown area like the church at Peachtree and 16th and the brick condo building across the street. Hopefully as more time passes, it becomes more interesting to stroll as it gets more developed. When you think about it, West Peachtree isn't very far away from becoming a fully built out street from around 3rd street all the way to 17th.

[RocketSurgeon]

It will definitely change as more residential is complete and the ones that are already complete are fully leased. I don't think it will even take 5 years to be noticeable, probably more like 1-2. Remember the Colony Square redo is coming in addition to everything else.

[Atlanta3000]

Note the Density in O4W - Amazing!!!


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[shivtim]

I agree with the sentiment that Midtown south of 10th street is more urban feeling and pedestrian friendly, but I don't think I agree that "it seems like north of 10th is getting the vast majority of development these days." The biggest project in Midtown, CODA, is south of 10th. Also recently finished or under construction are major projects like NCR, Anthem, Lilli, Modera, Alexan 880, The Standard, and Hanover. And these projects are clustered in an area maybe only a third the size of the construction area north of 10th, which ranges from Hanover West Peachtree all the way east to Piedmont House and all the way north to the SCAD dorm. Overall it seems like the construction momentum is still in the south part of Midtown with a focus on Tech Square and Peachtree.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Note the Density in O4W - Amazing!!!

And there’s only one or two retail spaces (none open) in all of those apartments that went up! Thank goodness for bantam, venkmans, a Mano, and deep end to provide something nearby all those people.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

And there’s only one or two retail spaces (none open) in all of those apartments that went up! Thank goodness for bantam, venkmans, a Mano, and deep end to provide something nearby all those people.

I don't understand this sentiment. There is hundreds of thousands of square feet of retail space within a half mile of all this development - Ponce City Market is ~.2 miles from the heart of Historic Old Fourth Ward Park, ~0.5 miles from Midtown Place, a minute walk to all the retail along the BeltLine, and then easy walks to places like Inman Quarter via the BeltLIne. Even in dense areas like the District / DC, retail is concentrated in key corridors.

Anyways, there is tons of retail in this area, all very walkable, and there will be more in the bottom of North + Line, office / retail in the mill redevelopment, and even more retail in the Georgia Power site redevelopment. This area is hardly starved for retail.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

I don't understand this sentiment. There is hundreds of thousands of square feet of retail space within a half mile of all this development - Ponce City Market is ~.2 miles from the heart of Historic Old Fourth Ward Park, ~0.5 miles from Midtown Place, a minute walk to all the retail along the BeltLine, and then easy walks to places like Inman Quarter via the BeltLIne. Even in dense areas like the District / DC, retail is concentrated in key corridors.

Anyways, there is tons of retail in this area, all very walkable, and there will be more in the bottom of North + Line, office / retail in the mill redevelopment, and even more retail in the Georgia Power site redevelopment. This area is hardly starved for retail.

Key corridors. PCM is an indoor mall food court with no active street presence engaged with the neighborhood. North Highland isn’t in the neighborhood until nearly past all the retail. GA Power and N&L will bring retail, yes, but as is thousands of residents were added with limited to no new retail included. If there wasn’t demand, Ga Power and N&L wouldn’t be adding more retail.

North Ave. and Ralph McGill are both capable of handling retail. Not a single cafe interacting with O4W Park. The area can exist and rely on itself rather than relying on other neighborhoods and a food court.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Key corridors. PCM is an indoor mall food court with no active street presence engaged with the neighborhood. North Highland isn’t in the neighborhood until nearly past all the retail. GA Power and N&L will bring retail, yes, but as is thousands of residents were added with limited to no new retail included. If there wasn’t demand, Ga Power and N&L wouldn’t be adding more retail.

North Ave. and Ralph McGill are both capable of handling retail. Not a single cafe interacting with O4W Park. The area can exist and rely on itself rather than relying on other neighborhoods and a food court.

You're starting to grasp at straws. These newer developments are being more strategic to place retail/commercial space where it makes sense now that PCM has essentially built-out phase 1.

PCM is its own animal and to force it to have retail that came to both sides of the street would have required modifying the building beyond recognition- which is what no one wanted to do.

Most of the current multi-family development being built up until now didn't include retail because the developers knew PCM was going to be a gamechanger for retail/commercial development in this neighborhood.

There isn't a huge stock of small commercial space left to put in those neighborhood cafes and bodega's you're romanticizing this neighborhood "needs". They would have had to go into mostly new construction along the park in which case the economics weren't/aren't there yet.


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North & Line will have a stronger retail presence along the park - including a restaurant where the Beltline Gateway trail connects with the park.



Anthem on Ashley is supposed to have 6000SF of restaurant/retail space fronting the park.



GA Power site will include a SUBSTANTIAL amount of commercial space not only along the park but also connecting to the BeltLine.



725 Ponce's front door is putting a grocery store's front door right on the BeltLine.

[Atlanta3000]

3rd & Ponce

The 4 acre site on 3rd & Ponce is no longer listed on Cushman & Wakefield's site as for sale. Does anyone know any specifics? Just one block away from the AT&T Tower. Could this be a sign?

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

The closed Gordon Biersch on Peachtree is being gutted today. There were about 4 working vans and a bunch of workers inside with hard hat warnings and all that posted all around. Not sure if this is SOP when a restaurant goes down or if something is planned to go there.

[scania]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

The closed Gordon Biersch on Peachtree is being gutted today. There were about 4 working vans and a bunch of workers inside with hard hat warnings and all that posted all around. Not sure if this is SOP when a restaurant goes down or if something is planned to go there.

I would think something is planned...typically they don’t start gutting.

[jwbab]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

The closed Gordon Biersch on Peachtree is being gutted today. There were about 4 working vans and a bunch of workers inside with hard hat warnings and all that posted all around. Not sure if this is SOP when a restaurant goes down or if something is planned to go there.

PHILADELPHIA-BASED CITY TAP HOUSE PLANNING FIRST GEORGIA GASTROPUB FOR MIDTOWN

https://whatnowatlanta.com/city-tap-house-replacing-gordon-biersch-midtown/

City Tap website with Midtown Atlanta location listed at bottom: http://www.citytap.com/

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

There is heavy equipment on the hotel site next to arts center again

[RocketSurgeon]

Originally Posted by jwbab

PHILADELPHIA-BASED CITY TAP HOUSE PLANNING FIRST GEORGIA GASTROPUB FOR MIDTOWN

https://whatnowatlanta.com/city-tap-house-replacing-gordon-biersch-midtown/

City Tap website with Midtown Atlanta location listed at bottom: http://www.citytap.com/

That would have been my last guess considering two similar chains just failed on that block. I think people tend to prefer local places like Cypress Street.

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

There is heavy equipment on the hotel site next to arts center again

Which project is this, the Hampton Inn?

[shivtim]

Several new multi-family residential building permits were filed this week. A lot going on all around the city:
Land development and building/arborist review permits for 345 units at 2265 Marietta, in two buildings.
Five townhomes at 764 Memorial in Reynoldstown.
Two building complex with 69 units and 22 units at 806 Murphy in Adair Park.
Building/arborist review plan was submitted for a 13 unit apartment building at 208 12th street.
Land disturbance permits filed for five townhomes at 663 Boulevard.
Demolition permit for the medical office building at Peachtree Place and Spring, to make way for "the Mark."
Demolition permit for SFH at 866 Bonaventure to build multi family building.

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Several new multi-family residential building permits were filed this week. A lot going on all around the city:
Land development and building/arborist review permits for 345 units at 2265 Marietta, in two buildings.
Five townhomes at 764 Memorial in Reynoldstown.
Two building complex with 69 units and 22 units at 806 Murphy in Adair Park.
Building/arborist review plan was submitted for a 13 unit apartment building at 208 12th street.
Land disturbance permits filed for five townhomes at 663 Boulevard.
Demolition permit for the medical office building at Peachtree Place and Spring, to make way for "the Mark."
Demolition permit for SFH at 866 Bonaventure to build multi family building.

Is "The Mark" going to take the Domino's spot as well?