YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 634

trofirhen · #**12661** Posted **Mar 5, 2018, 11:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

/please excuse the edit/
Our government is being a bit too protectionist........

In the mean time, as I've said before, TK can always cancel YUL and serve YVR as their second point in Canada, if they think there is more money to be made there.

Oh that it would happen! Does AC fly YUL-IST already? If yes, then TK might just do that .... although I realize it's a very long shot.
Also, YVR having a ME destination doesn't necessarily mean targeting India (DEL). There's the whole Eastern Medierranean, the Mideast itself, (Iran especially), and the Caucasus region (yes, we have immigrants from there) that could profit from YVR-IST.

thenoflyzone · #**12662** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 1:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Oh that it would happen! Does AC fly YUL-IST already? If yes, then TK might just do that .... although I realize it's a very long shot.
Also, YVR having a ME destination doesn't necessarily mean targeting India (DEL). There's the whole Eastern Medierranean, the Mideast itself, (Iran especially), and the Caucasus region (yes, we have immigrants from there) that could profit from YVR-IST.

AC no longer flies YYZ-IST, and has never flown YUL-IST.

thenoflyzone · #**12663** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 2:14 AM**

Also of note, these codeshares are simply renewals, as they expire 1 year after entering into force.

Here is the one from last year.

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/30-a-2017

trofirhen · #**12664** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 2:45 AM**

Teheran was mentioned some weeks back. Does anyone think that might be a possibility? There's a large Iranian diaspora in Vancouver, and it would give us a middle eastern destination.
Plus, in the USA, Donald Trump's administration might kick up dust about letting them in, although I don't know if / where they (Iran Air) fly to in the States.

thenoflyzone · #**12665** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Teheran was mentioned some weeks back. Does anyone think that might be a possibility? There's a large Iranian diaspora in Vancouver, and it would give us a middle eastern destination.
Plus, in the USA, Donald Trump's administration might kick up dust about letting them in, although I don't know if / where they (Iran Air) fly to in the States.

LA, Toronto and NY have a considerably larger Iranian population, and in all likelihood would get service to IKA ahead of YVR.

Plus, it would be interesting to see if the U.S will allow AC to launch YYZ-IKA. I would think not. So the end result will be the same as YUL-BEY.

I think TK is YVR's best bet for a Middle East service. It will happen eventually.

trofirhen · #**12666** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 3:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

LA, Toronto and NY have a considerably larger Iranian population, and in all likelihood would get service to IKA ahead of YVR.

Thank you for that information. As things stand, YVR will have no Mideast destination for the foreseeable future. And that's kind of limiting. But if you say it will happen eventually, well, that's encouraging. My worry would be that if & when SEA gets TK, Vancouver would be left out altogether. I suppose it's a game of "wait and see."
*Also ... how can the US government intercede on allowing AC to launch YYZ - IKA? Do they have power over who can fly to ><from Canada? Seems strange to me.

thenoflyzone · #**12667** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

*Also ... how can the US government intercede on allowing AC to launch YYZ - IKA? Do they have power over who can fly to ><from Canada? Seems strange to me.

It's called power of persuasion.

In 2003, Air Canada was about to launch YUL-BEY. The Canadian Government, citing “national security” issues, withdrew the airline’s license a week or two before the route launch.

What happened? Most likely the U.S made a phone call and told the Canadian government what was expected of them.

Fast forward to today. I highly doubt the Tump government will sit idly by and allow a North American airline to fly non stop to IKA.

trofirhen · #**12668** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

It's called power of persuasion.

In 2003, Air Canada was about to launch YUL-BEY. The Canadian Government, citing “national security” issues, withdrew the airline’s license a week or two before the route launch.

What happened? Most likely the U.S made a phone call and told the Canadian government what was expected of them.

Fast forward to today. I highly doubt the Tump government will sit idly by and allow a North American airline to fly non stop to IKA.

I'm astonished that the US has that much power over Canada, and / or that Canada is so submissive.
The US autghorities must have been wielding a harsh ultimatum if Canada did not co-operate ... "obey" might be the better word. Sad.

Johnny Aussie · #**12669** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 7:11 PM**

As I suspected AC will launch 3 weekly flights to LIH next winter.

Other Transborder changes:

PHX to daily mainline 320
PSP to daily mainline 320
HNL 2 x daily 738MAX
OGG 2 x daily 738MAX
KOA 4 x weekly 738MAX
LAS 2 x daily 319 rouge
MCO 2 x weekly 319 rouge

All other routes are the same at this time.

YVR - Hawaii ops increases to 11 daily next winter including Westjet's 6 daily.

nname · #**12670** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 8:01 PM**

Seems like all flights to Mexico besides MEX are going 738MAX too...

CUN, PVD 4x weekly
ZIH, SJD 3x weekly

Johnny Aussie · #**12671** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 9:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Seems like all flights to Mexico besides MEX are going 738MAX too...

CUN, PVD 4x weekly
ZIH, SJD 3x weekly

Yes... YVR sun ops on AC next winter from YVR is exploding.

nname · #**12672** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes... YVR sun ops on AC next winter from YVR is exploding.

Something doesn't add up though...

[EDIT] now I see it...

#1:
YVR-HNL-YVR
1800 dep, return 0710+1

YVR-HNL-YVR
0810 dep, return 2120

#2:
YVR-OGG-YVR
1820 dep, return 0720+1

YVR-OGG-YVR
0820 dep, return 2250

#3:
YVR-LIH/KOA-YVR
1810 dep, return 0715+1 or 0725+1

YVR-CUN/ZIH-YVR
0830 dep, returns 2030

#4
YVR-PVR/SJD-YVR
0700 dep, returns 1700 or 1815

But what will these planes doing before 1800?? Only #4 can connect to #1-#3 maybe 3 times a week, but the other planes must be doing something before the Hawaii/Mexico runs...

I guess either some domestic routes will be MAX'ed (haven't updated yet), or there's some more new route?

casper · #**12673** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'm astonished that the US has that much power over Canada, and / or that Canada is so submissive.
The US autghorities must have been wielding a harsh ultimatum if Canada did not co-operate ... "obey" might be the better word. Sad.

I think the issue is we don't know if this was the US demanding something or the Canadian authorities did it on their own.

The version of the story I heard is Hamas controls the airport. Canada views Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Therefore regular non-stop flights from there are not permitted.

How true any of these is I don't know.

Johnny Aussie · #**12674** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 10:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Something doesn't add up though...

[EDIT] now I see it...

#1:
YVR-HNL-YVR
1800 dep, return 0710+1

YVR-HNL-YVR
0810 dep, return 2120

#2:
YVR-OGG-YVR
1820 dep, return 0720+1

YVR-OGG-YVR
0820 dep, return 2250

#3:
YVR-LIH/KOA-YVR
1810 dep, return 0715+1 or 0725+1

YVR-CUN/ZIH-YVR
0830 dep, returns 2030

#4
YVR-PVR/SJD-YVR
0700 dep, returns 1700 or 1815

But what will these planes doing before 1800?? Only #4 can connect to #1-#3 maybe 3 times a week, but the other planes must be doing something before the Hawaii/Mexico runs...

I guess either some domestic routes will be MAX'ed (haven't updated yet), or there's some more new route?

Most likely domestic runs to YUL and YYZ will factor in. With most of these routes being de-rouged so much more flexibility.

twoNeurons · #**12675** Posted **Mar 6, 2018, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Oh that it would happen! Does AC fly YUL-IST already? If yes, then TK might just do that .... although I realize it's a very long shot.
Also, YVR having a ME destination doesn't necessarily mean targeting India (DEL). There's the whole Eastern Medierranean, the Mideast itself, (Iran especially), and the Caucasus region (yes, we have immigrants from there) that could profit from YVR-IST.

Montreal has a large arab population. I doubt TK wants to drop YUL or YYZ for YVR. They want to increase their market into new areas. It's a shame as it's a good carrier for *A Aeroplan members that are trying to avoid YQ.

nname · #**12676** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 12:03 AM**

Norwegian intend to start service to Canada on July 23, 2018... Would they fly to YVR??

[EDIT]Meh... it's D8 not DY who was applying... I guess it will just be some 7M8 runs to the east coast...

thenoflyzone · #**12677** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 3:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Norwegian intend to start service to Canada on July 23, 2018... Would they fly to YVR??

[EDIT]Meh... it's D8 not DY who was applying... I guess it will just be some 7M8 runs to the east coast...

If D8's recent US destinations in New England are any indication, this bodes well for a place like YOW.

zahav · #**12678** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:33 AM**

McArthurGlen Phase 2 was officially announced yesterday. Link below:

http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases...ver-to-commence-construction-of-phase-ii

YVR was definitely smart launching this project, they tapped into a big market for outlet shopping in a central area

Johnny Aussie · #**12679** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 6:06 PM**

Air Canada press releases here for their upcoming winter increases.

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2018-03-...-to-Hawaii-With-New-Boeing-737-MAX-Fleet

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2018-03-...d-Edmonton-Las-Vegas-Flights-Next-Winter

nname · #**12680** Posted **Mar 7, 2018, 7:09 PM**

Noticed the YVR-PSP got no end date.. so it will be year round with AC now?

Maybe it will be the new AC Express destination for next summer...