Calgary Construction XXVI - Page 59

You Need A Thneed · #**1161** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 5:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Northern

They aren't built differently, he's only selling his wares via CBC. At the end of the day they're still the same, and it's because that's what people want.

They most certainly are built differently. Check out redstone, Skyview ranch etc. Nearly all straight roads at right angles. limited cul-de-sacs.

When these communities are fully built out, they will be very dense, probably as dense as almost any inner city community outside of the beltline. Skyview is less than 50% single family homes, by area. Redstone will be similar.

suburbia · #**1162** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 8:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Perhaps I should be give you the photo taking tips

If I took photos I suppose you could!

I'm a huge admirer.

O-tacular · #**1163** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 1:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Northern

I've always thought that was the case with most of the people here at SSP. A bunch of idealists using their keyboard to try and make a difference rather than getting off their asses, working and paying taxes like the rest of us. Josh was one of those who bought into the Duhh Farrell bullcrap. Looks like he's finally thinking for himself.

Do us a favour and save your unintelligent insults for the Justin Trudeau thread. The stereotype that left wingers or progressives don’t pay taxes is ridiculous. Josh has always been active in the industry. He didn’t suddenly change careers. He’s been with Dream for many years now and worked for other developers in the past. He helped plan University City. You and your troll buddies are probably the reason he left SSP. An amazing contributor and industry insider replaced by “Duhh Farrell”. What a loss for this forum.

WhipperSnapper · #**1164** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 2:20 PM**

Lol. Typical jokers here. Still can't wrap their heads around that better communities and less sprawl has nothing to do with limiting outward growth. Josh's company owns a shitload of land so he will represent them to a degree(. So many names over the years). IIRC, It still doesn't contradict what he has always said. I remember him being a huge supporter of the uni city model as it discourage leap frog development. That's the basis of all his responses. Keep it in Calgary.

rotten42 · #**1165** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Do us a favour and save your unintelligent insults for the Justin Trudeau thread. The stereotype that left wingers or progressives don’t pay taxes is ridiculous. Josh has always been active in the industry. He didn’t suddenly change careers. He’s been with Dream for many years now and worked for other developers in the past. He helped plan University City. You and your troll buddies are probably the reason he left SSP. An amazing contributor and industry insider replaced by “Duhh Farrell”. What a loss for this forum.

There we go....remember guys there is no room for alternative opinions on this forum....so don't even bother discussing them.

WhipperSnapper · #**1166** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 2:30 PM**

Druh is just a tease. Mocking us instead of being a good public representative and actually posting the infomation she has online. Don't tell me 99% it isn't public record. Anyone can go down, pay a fee and, see it for themselves.

milomilo · #**1167** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

They most certainly are built differently. Check out redstone, Skyview ranch etc. Nearly all straight roads at right angles. limited cul-de-sacs.

When these communities are fully built out, they will be very dense, probably as dense as almost any inner city community outside of the beltline. Skyview is less than 50% single family homes, by area. Redstone will be similar.

Redstone looks a little better, but the 'curviness' isn't really what the root of the problem is - you can have straight roads and grids, but if they follow convoluted paths through these suburbs, and don't connect well to other communities then the problem is just as bad as before.

I think we all see that the new development is more than dense enough, but every new suburb we build is an island to itself - you can build the best new community in the world, but if it is disconnected from the rest (as they all are) then it will never develop to form a rich urban area. I think it's counterproductive as well to make every new development its own little town - by doing this none of them will develop as secondary centres as they are all mediocre rather than having a few good ones. Look at McKenzie Town'e' - it's a good cartoon version of a town centre, but now the developers have built it out and sold everything, they can move further out and build the next one much the same, and in 20 years time McKenzie Towne Centre will still look the same, but as dated as a strip mall does today.

Suburgatory · #**1168** Posted **Mar 1, 2018, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Northern

I've always thought that was the case with most of the people here at SSP. A bunch of idealists using their keyboard to try and make a difference rather than getting off their asses, working and paying taxes like the rest of us. Josh was one of those who bought into the Duhh Farrell bullcrap. Looks like he's finally thinking for himself.

Give me a break. Get back to me after you read a list of all of the work Josh has been involved in over his career to actually make a difference and you'll be a skeleton before you finish.

Deepstar · #**1169** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 5:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by suburbia

If I took photos I suppose you could!

I'm a huge admirer.

Hmmm really those aren't your photos? Weird because we have a mutual friend and I know who you are.

Deepstar · #**1170** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 5:46 AM**

They're dense, but still aren't designed well. Seton, Redstone and those others are still garbage subdivisions. Having more grid streets versus curved accomplishes very little, they're all still surrounded by wide 4 lane divided roads and have only a few entrances in and out. No connection to any, and are still silos of suburbia. Same garbage but a different look.

Sad to see Josh shilling this crap, but that's what happens when you work for a company building this stuff, and signs your paycheck - you end up towing the line.

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

They most certainly are built differently. Check out redstone, Skyview ranch etc. Nearly all straight roads at right angles. limited cul-de-sacs.

When these communities are fully built out, they will be very dense, probably as dense as almost any inner city community outside of the beltline. Skyview is less than 50% single family homes, by area. Redstone will be similar.

Tobyoby · #**1171** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 5:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Perhaps I should be give you the photo taking tips

Tobyoby · #**1172** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

They most certainly are built differently. Check out redstone, Skyview ranch etc. Nearly all straight roads at right angles. limited cul-de-sacs.

When these communities are fully built out, they will be very dense, probably as dense as almost any inner city community outside of the beltline. Skyview is less than 50% single family homes, by area. Redstone will be similar.

They are built differently, but not any better. They are actually worse, just because there is more density doesn't automatically make them better unless the density is useful. In these cases it's more woodframe walkup shitboxes. This isn't what the people who prefer the burbs want, and it's not what the urbanists want. As Deepstar pointed out, the suburbs real issue still hasn't been addressed.
Just because Joshwhite says it better doesn't mean it's better. In case you hadn't noticed he works for the developer, so he's only doing what he's told.

Tobyoby · #**1173** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Give me a break. Get back to me after you read a list of all of the work Josh has been involved in over his career to actually make a difference and you'll be a skeleton before you finish.

At this point, it doesn't matter what Josh has said or done in the past, right now he works for a suburban developer, and apparently has become their mouthpiece.

O-tacular · #**1174** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 6:24 PM**

Anyone recognize Canterra tower in this article's Illustration?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/welcome-to-the-age-of-climate-migration-w516974

Suburgatory · #**1175** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tobyoby

At this point, it doesn't matter what Josh has said or done in the past, right now he works for a suburban developer, and apparently has become their mouthpiece.

? Past tense.

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Originally Posted by Northern

I've always thought that was the case with most of the people here at SSP. A bunch of idealists using their keyboard to try and make a difference rather than getting off their asses, working and paying taxes like the rest of us. Josh was one of those who bought into the Duhh Farrell bullcrap. Looks like he's finally thinking for himself.

Oh, so before he wasn't thinking for himself while on the city side of the fence and now he's a mouthpiece (not thinking for himself) while on the developer side of the fence? You guys are ridiculous.

It's an advantage to having been on the other side of the debate.

Chinook Arch · #**1176** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 8:08 PM**

That’s the best way to describe Josh White. He hasn’t posted here for a long time, and I noticed he tweets stuff from SkyriseCities. Good riddance!

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

? Past tense.

O-tacular · #**1177** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 8:32 PM**

I miss Josh. And BigTime. And Boris. And Calgarian. And Innersoul. And all the other old forumers who made this place feel like a community.

Blader · #**1178** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

I miss Josh. And BigTime. And Boris. And Calgarian. And Innersoul. And all the other old forumers who made this place feel like a community.

Moments ago, I reluctantly joined SRC. The only reason to remain here, in this thread, is sentiment. Sadly, remaining no longer has value.

Suburgatory · #**1179** Posted **Mar 2, 2018, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chinook Arch

That’s the best way to describe Josh White. He hasn’t posted here for a long time, and I noticed he tweets stuff from SkyriseCities. Good riddance!

Well versed, long time user with tangible experience and information on the main topic of this forum...GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

O-tacular · #**1180** Posted **Mar 3, 2018, 2:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Suburgatory

Well versed, long time user with tangible experience and information on the main topic of this forum...GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

Translation: Not a right wing, inner city bashing, ignorant asshole. He commited the sin of using facts and figures and looking at things from an academic standpoint. Apparently that makes him a radical leftist communist. It’s ironic that conservatives call anyone left of centre emotional or ideological considering their strong preference for emotion over facts and how when confronted with facts they throw a tantrum and storm off.

Edit: Not directed specifically at Chinook Arch. Moreso towards the legion of Trumpist Trolls who have joined up in the past couple years.