Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0 - Page 319

roger1818 · #**6361** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 8:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by OTSkyline

What was the point of naming trains anyways? Will the name actually be listed on the it or plastered on the side of it?

My guess is it is a throwback to the old days. Not so common here in North America (though the CPR did name the Château, Manor and Park cars used on The Canadian) but in England most (if not all) steam engines had a names (Mallard, Flying Scotsaman, etc).

Truenorth00 · #**6362** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 8:18 PM**

Sort of strange that they named individual cars instead of trains. Oh well. Publicity never hurts. And this probably costs close to nothing as they can get for PR.

Truenorth00 · #**6363** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by kmcamp

You're advocating for the status quo, instead of the way things could be. By North American standards we're even too small for the system we're getting. Right now only very large 4 million+ cities get fully segregated metros (Vancouver is also below the typical size). I'm not saying it'll change overnight, but we shouldn't reject it out of hand just because "it's not the way it's done here"

I've been through this discussion on here before. Ottawa lucked out by getting $5 billion in transit investment between Stage 1 and Stage 2. Ottawa is shouldering maybe 40% of that. Sure, there's a lot of things that could happen. And it's nice to dream I suppose, but the province and the feds are practically done investing in major Ottawa transit infrastructure for at least a decade after Stage 2. They have made some very atypical investments in Ottawa for its size. And they'll have to move on to other regions and other priorities.

Best case scenario is some Stage 3 LRT extensions and BRT on critical corridors like Baseline, Carling and (hopefully) Montreal. And having all of that before 2030, would be a massive (and highly improbable) accomplishment. Another line through the core is pure fantasy. And we don't do ourselves favours by not recognizing that.

Uhuniau · #**6364** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Sort of strange that they named individual cars instead of trains. Oh well. Publicity never hurts. And this probably costs close to nothing as they can get for PR.

How permanent is a "train"?

Uhuniau · #**6365** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

Best case scenario is some Stage 3 LRT extensions and BRT on critical corridors like Baseline, Carling and (hopefully) Montreal.

The 2030 plan for Montreal Road has already been thrown out, shredded, scrapped, deep-sixed, kiboshed, in favour of limited hours of bus-only lanes, in one direction only, and bike lanes.

PHrenetic · #**6366** Posted **Feb 26, 2018, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

How permanent is a "train"?

Good Day, all who question what a 'train' is.

The term has been bandied about and severely mis-used in too many connotations, which is where I proffer the RailRoad format I have been using:

Phase 1 has 34 Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs).
Phase 2 has 38 LRVs.
Each of the 72 LRVs are composed of 4 (expandable to 5) cars.

These are 1-vehicle consists, or 'trains', which are commonly referred to as 'trains'.

Each LRV can be coupled to another to make up a 2-vehicle consist, which is also sometimes referred to as a 'train'.
This gives Phase 1 17 2-vehicle consists; Phase 2 adds 19 2-vehicle consists. Total = 36 2-vehicle consists.

Bottom Line - we will unlikely to be operating 1-vehicle consists, so most will be 2-vehicle consists.
And these are what will end up being referred to when we 'just missed the train' .

For the PR naming exercise, they used 'train' to refer to each 4 car LRV.

And BTW, they named 40 names - the other 6 are for the T-Line units.

Overall - pure PR. No reality, No meaning, No useage, No S###.
A good way to divert from 6 more months of pain.

Use what you will.

Truenorth00 · #**6367** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 12:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

How permanent is a "train"?

I get your point, but I don't see it as a challenge. Name half the end cars. And you have names for trains.

swimmer_spe · #**6368** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 12:49 AM**

When I think of the future phases of the LRT, I think to Boston's Green line.

They have 5 branches with a single downtown tunnel. It works there, it can work here.

GeoNerd · #**6369** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 3:51 AM**

What about this option...

https://twitter.com/CapitalCity613/status/966328316784513024

Norman Bates · #**6370** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 3:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeoNerd

What about this option...

https://twitter.com/CapitalCity613/status/966328316784513024

That’s pretty good. Though I think the Hazeldean / Robertson / Richmond / Baseline / Herron / Walkley / Innes corridor is a natural one that has never yet been explored for untapped ridership.

roger1818 · #**6371** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 3:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeoNerd

What about this option...

https://twitter.com/CapitalCity613/status/966328316784513024

Doesn't this belong in the Dream Transit Plan thread?

lrt's friend · #**6372** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Norman Bates

That’s pretty good. Though I think the Hazeldean / Robertson / Richmond / Baseline / Herron / Walkley / Innes corridor is a natural one that has never yet been explored for untapped ridership.

To me, the natural desire lines on Bank Street are more north-south than east-west. If we were ever to get to that stage where a Bank Street subway was feasible, I would use it to run service to Billings Bridge and then branch to Baseline, the airport and the southern suburbs. Interlining only the Trillium Line, which is least able to handle it does not make sense. Furthermore, directing airport trains to downtown Hull seems to have minimal benefit to airport passengers.

Truenorth00 · #**6373** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

When I think of the future phases of the LRT, I think to Boston's Green line.

They have 5 branches with a single downtown tunnel. It works there, it can work here.

We'll end up with branched service, when you consider the Barrhaven and Kanata branches.

I'm not sure how any other lines would fit into this framework though. At most, if we ended up with a tunnel on Rideau/Montreal, that could feed into the DOTT. But that's a stretch obviously. All the rest are standalone BRTs: Carling, Baseline, Innes.

lrt's friend · #**6374** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

We'll end up with branched service, when you consider the Barrhaven and Kanata branches.

I'm not sure how any other lines would fit into this framework though. At most, if we ended up with a tunnel on Rideau/Montreal, that could feed into the DOTT. But that's a stretch obviously. All the rest are standalone BRTs: Carling, Baseline, Innes.

There should be a matching branch on the east side as well.

Uhuniau · #**6375** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

There should be a matching branch on the east side as well.

The city of Ottawa, invest on its east side?

That's crazy talk. Public expenditures, especially the big-ticket ones, are reserved for the half of the city west of the Rideau River.

PHrenetic · #**6376** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

There should be a matching branch on the east side as well.

Good Day.

Which is where the Blair split-off southeastward thru the southside of Blackburn Hamlet out to Frank Kenny Rd. proposed transitway has been bandied as a direct-to-LRT, like the Riverside South proposal, and the western Kanata / Stittsville expansion.

We shall see ??

Multi-modal · #**6377** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

That's crazy talk. Public expenditures, especially the big-ticket ones, are reserved for the half of the city west of the Rideau River.

*Or Orleans

lrt's friend · #**6378** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uhuniau

The city of Ottawa, invest on its east side?

That's crazy talk. Public expenditures, especially the big-ticket ones, are reserved for the half of the city west of the Rideau River.

I assure you that the second branch will not go down Montreal Road.

lrt's friend · #**6379** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 6:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Which is where the Blair split-off southeastward thru the southside of Blackburn Hamlet out to Frank Kenny Rd. proposed transitway has been bandied as a direct-to-LRT, like the Riverside South proposal, and the western Kanata / Stittsville expansion.

We shall see ??

Yes, we have a right of way, don't we? But I love how it bypasses pretty much everything. Meanwhile, we set up a bus route as a precursor to the Transitway right on Innes Road. Frankly, that is where the ridership is. We should have kept an allowance on the south side of Innes Road before it was all built up but our focus was on buses.

Uhuniau · #**6380** Posted **Feb 27, 2018, 9:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I assure you that the second branch will not go down Montreal Road.

Nor will there be another eastern branch for a very long time.