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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 10:40 PM
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People are saying the Chamber of Commerce is just going to come out in support of a move to Austin. Nothing new.
Well, that would be about as underwhelming as Delta's announcement this week.
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This whole MLS debacle, has reminded me that Austin truly is weird.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2018, 8:42 PM
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Vexing... Our council is worthless at getting anything done.

This is time sensitive and they drag their feet. Too bad since this is a once a generation opportunity.

Only thing council is good at is doing nothing.... not good when change is happening rapidly around us and we need to keep pace.

I can see why the team is working with the chamber. Besides land, their next most important task is to explore sponsorship potential. They are likely using the chamber as a hub to connect with the most likely regional sponsors. All in an effort to build out a viable business plan/model.
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Vexing... Our council is worthless at getting anything done.

This is time sensitive and they drag their feet. Too bad since this is a once a generation opportunity.

Only thing council is good at is doing nothing.... not good when change is happening rapidly around us and we need to keep pace.

I can see why the team is working with the chamber. Besides land, their next most important task is to explore sponsorship potential. They are likely using the chamber as a hub to connect with the most likely regional sponsors. All in an effort to build out a viable business plan/model.
My guess is they don't have the financing they need for the stadium now that Butler Shores is off the table. It's even worse if they are trying to get private land.

If Austin wants to make some progress, we need to elect facilitators to council positions that can make the right judgment based on on relevant data. We elect too many community activists that let their campaign slogans dictate how they vote instead of the information in front of them. This city is going to get so much worse if Morrison beats Adler and Levinski beats Troxclair.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2018, 3:03 AM
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Well, that would be about as underwhelming as Delta's announcement this week.
I was at both of these things. Maybe I’m a jinx.

PSV is giving to do everything they can to make this happen and it’s all still moving forward. Don’t believe everything you read in the paper or online.
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Queen NIMBY and mayoral candidate Laura Morrison is using the (anti-)use of parkland as a campaign fundraising tactic.

What a B***h!!!


"Mayor candidate uses stadium site discussion to raise funds: Mayoral candidate Laura Morrison is using the parkland issue as a fund raiser. She circulated an email titled, “Chip in and save Austin’s parkland.”

“The city of Austin is considering handing our parkland to the owners of an out-of-state sports team to build a stadium,” the message reads. “Our parkland would be used for private profit. That won’t happen when I’m mayor.”

It closes with tab buttons to contribute $10, $25 or $50 to Morrison’s campaign for mayor in May."


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Old Posted Feb 14, 2018, 11:11 PM
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Queen NIMBY and mayoral candidate Laura Morrison is using the (anti-)use of parkland as a campaign fundraising tactic.

What a B***h!!!


"Mayor candidate uses stadium site discussion to raise funds: Mayoral candidate Laura Morrison is using the parkland issue as a fund raiser. She circulated an email titled, “Chip in and save Austin’s parkland.”

“The city of Austin is considering handing our parkland to the owners of an out-of-state sports team to build a stadium,” the message reads. “Our parkland would be used for private profit. That won’t happen when I’m mayor.”

It closes with tab buttons to contribute $10, $25 or $50 to Morrison’s campaign for mayor in May."


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Hyperbolic, dog whistle politics at it's best.
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Hyperbolic, dog whistle politics at it's best.
Well put.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2018, 1:52 AM
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I've said it before, but Laura Morrison is the one person that could get me committed to financially supporting Adler again.
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Statesman did a story on the McKayla site with pros and cons. I still don't think they'll get the investors they need for this location.

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When ranking the physical treasures of Austin, McKalla Place won’t land in anybody’s top 10. Or top 50.
Nonetheless, the 24-acre, city-owned property in North Austin is part of a shrinking group of properties that have been offered to Precourt Sports Ventures, owners of Columbus Crew SC, as potential sites for a 20,000-seat stadium. PSV officials have said the MLS franchise now dwelling in Ohio could relocate to Austin if a suitable stadium plan takes root.

Right now 10414 McKalla Lane isn’t pretty. The tract’s desolate and bleak, surrounded by warehouses and industrial parkways. And it comes with a long and sordid history of what city staff called “significant environmental issues.”

The city purchased the property in 1995 from Reichhold Chemicals for the bargain-basement price of $1.4 million. Chemical companies have been located there since 1957, and archived American-Statesman stories reveal a history of explosions, unstable ground and chemical dumps into the soil, which was still giving off foul odors as recently as 2004.

The city sank nearly $5 million into cleanups — the most recent one coming in 2005 — and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality signed off on the remediation Dec. 19.

Yet McKalla Place is just a stone’s throw from the Domain, the smash-hit, mixed-use development that’s a sort of second downtown for Austin. It doesn’t take a wild imagination to envision a 20,000-seat stadium at McKalla Place being the economic driver that connects the two places.

“McKalla is a viable option. You could get excited thinking about the potential for linkage to the Domain,” Austin MLS lobbyist Richard Suttle, who works for PSV, told the Statesman. “I am concerned whether fans in South Austin would consider it too far away.”

PSV President Dave Greeley said McKalla Place comes with challenges.

“A major issue is immediate access,” he said. “The first time I went there, I couldn’t find it. You go to the (Paragon) print shop, stop and look left. Short of drone deliveries, I’m not sure how you get fans in there. It’s kind of the donut hole in the middle of the donut.”

Brew pubs have sprung up near McKalla Place. And it isn’t far from MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1) and U.S. 183 and is bordered by Braker Lane and Burnet Road. Yet the property doesn’t have an entry, lacks sidewalks and could use a walking bridge over Braker Lane to connect to the Domain.

City Council Member Leslie Pool, whose District 7 includes McKalla, told the Statesman the onus would be on PSV to improve the infrastracture.

“If the city provides that land, then city residents should expect to see some significant community benefits coming back to them in return — a rail station, sidewalks, of course,” Pool said. “And it should be clear to all that Mr. Precourt and his investors would have no expectation that the city would provide subsidies or incentives of any kind.”

Lauraine Rizer, Officer of Real Estate for Austin, said the city asked Capital Metro if it would be willing to move its Kramer Lane rail stop, which lacks parking, about one mile to McKalla or the Domain and received an encouraging response.

“We’re trying to develop a synergy with our site to create better mobility,” Rizer said. “If we can get those access issues fixed, a rail station and on-site parking, we think it’s worth having a massive study done to see what that would yield. The soccer owners could negotiate with adjoining property owners.

“I’m very confident this area is in a favorable transition and, if ever there was a time to do this, now is the time.”

Pool, who suggested Precourt should build the Cap Metro site, prefers the soccer team look elsewhere in ATX.

“I’d rather they find a piece of private land rather than expecting the city of Austin to provide public land,” she said, “and I adamantly oppose using city-owned parkland for a private-sector enterprise of any kind.”

McKalla’s checkered past has long been a problem for the city. Reichhold used extremely flammable chemicals at the site, including benzoyl peroxide. The city spent more than $1 million in litigation against Reichhold and eventually was awarded $3.6 million in damages to help with remediation.

“They cleaned the site to the bedrock,” Rizer said. “We’re convinced it’s in good shape.”

Acting Parks and Recreation Director Kimberly McNeeley said city staff recommended McKalla Place to Precourt Sports Ventures because it checked off a lot of the basic criteria for a possible stadium site.

“It’s accessible by multiple major highways, isn’t in the middle of a neighborhood so it wouldn’t disrupt normal peace and quiet,” McNeeley said. “It’s pretty close to the Domain and has room for on-site parking. So far we haven’t heard a lot of negative feedback on it.”

Some prominent Austin soccer backers said McKalla is probably the best way to go.

Long-time Austinite Lee Nichols wrote on the Violet Crown Soccer Network that McKalla is his favorite site, listing a bevy of reasons, including avoiding a political brawl over parkland, growing entertainment options in the area — including six breweries within walking distance — a location relatively close to the urban core and multiple transportation options.

Austin-based soccer historian Phil West said he thinks McKalla is well-suited to the fans the MLS seeks.

“The 20-somethings and 30-somethings that hang out on Rock Rose are the people that MLS would like to have in the stands,” West said. “Though it’s not downtown, I think it’s a good location to get a broad cross-section of Austinites — including Latinos, families, and folks out in the northern ‘burbs.

West said what he likes best about McKalla is it provides a path of least resistance.

“It would allow PSV to announce the move to Austin now, and it doesn’t bring on what could be a nine-month battle with NIMBYs,” he said. “A vote on Guerrero Park could easily be made a referendum on soccer in Austin, and given Austin’s track record with votes on progress, I’m really wary.”
-Article says there isn't access to the lot but the city has reserved space for a road coming from Burnet into the lot. It also owns land in-between the lot and Burnet closer to Braker that could be used for road access unless there is a drainage easement on it.
-CM Pool says that the team would be responsible for paying to build road access and other Infrastructure needs which could be significant for this lot
-Land has bad history with chemicals BUT has gotten a sign off that it's all been cleaned up. Still would require a 3rd party survey before PSV would agree


If the Crew come to Austin, I don't think it's going to be to MK. I would think differently if it was actually located at the Domain but it's sandwiched in-between a bunch of warehouses that could be redeveloped in 15 years and there are no signs UT is going to sell off Pickle in order to bring development to the other side of the street. I think we're going to see an announcement of sorts before the season starts in a couple weeks that points to a deal in Columbus.

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-Article says there isn't access to the lot but the city has reserved space for a road coming from Burnet into the lot. It also owns land in-between the lot and Burnet closer to Braker that could be used for road access unless there is a drainage easement on it.
And space for the road(s) from Braker as well.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/npzd/Austingo/nbg-np.pdf

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If the Crew come to Austin, I don't think it's going to be to MK. I would think differently if it was actually located at the Domain but it's sandwiched in-between a bunch of warehouses that could be redeveloped in 15 years
Long term, it's better than being located at the Domain. Because the Domain pre-dates the North Burnet Gateway master plan, and so has some shortcomings in regards to street grid, sidewalks and bike connectivity, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the Domain is still a good spot, but if you compare it's layout to the master plan/Broadmoor proposal, you can definitely see the difference in regards to street grid, etc.



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and there are no signs UT is going to sell off Pickle in order to bring development to the other side of the street.
It's not the other side of the street, it's 2 streets away.


Now, as you say there are the plans and then there's the current conditions. It really depends on how forward-looking Precourt is.
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In the end, IMHO the argument for McKalla is this:

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West said what he likes best about McKalla is it provides a path of least resistance.

“It would allow PSV to announce the move to Austin now, and it doesn’t bring on what could be a nine-month battle with NIMBYs,” he said. “A vote on Guerrero Park could easily be made a referendum on soccer in Austin, and given Austin’s track record with votes on progress, I’m really wary.”
I still think PSV has a pretty strong incentive to be in Austin, and could choose McKalla and still come out on top. But it's distressing to see just how hostile Pool is to something that could be an incredible boon to her district and the city itself. I mean, seriously. If the city could put a singular attraction on top of a former brownfield in my district, I'd be ecstatic. Hell, I'd even offer to build them sidewalks to help the deal happen.

Is she just tone deaf or was she elected to be this way?
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In the end, IMHO the argument for McKalla is this:



I still think PSV has a pretty strong incentive to be in Austin, and could choose McKalla and still come out on top. But it's distressing to see just how hostile Pool is to something that could be an incredible boon to her district and the city itself. I mean, seriously. If the city could put a singular attraction on top of a former brownfield in my district, I'd be ecstatic. Hell, I'd even offer to build them sidewalks to help the deal happen.

Is she just tone deaf or was she elected to be this way?
She's an idealogue, not a pragmatist. There's no rational thought there.
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Long term, it's better than being located at the Domain. Because the Domain pre-dates the North Burnet Gateway master plan, and so has some shortcomings in regards to street grid, sidewalks and bike connectivity, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the Domain is still a good spot, but if you compare it's layout to the master plan/Broadmoor proposal, you can definitely see the difference in regards to street grid, etc.
Long term as in maybe 15 years down the line and that's a big maybe because it depends on a lot of development that may or may not come. It's a risky investment because a MLS stadium is not going to spur development like a basketball arena might. Risk factor goes up obviously when comparing it to Butler Shores where the development you want is already there.




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It's not the other side of the street, it's 2 streets away.
The Pickle Research Center goes all the way to Burnet. It would make a big difference if UT decides to lease the land along Burnet for mixed use development but I haven't heard about any plans to. That would definitely be a game changer.

Blue Outline is Pickle
Lot 547839 is the Potential Stadium Location
Lot 547963 is also owned by the city



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Now, as you say there are the plans and then there's the current conditions. It really depends on how forward-looking Precourt is.
It depends on how much risk his investors are willing to take and how long the expected return is. There are a lot of opportunities for investments in the Austin area and I'm not sure a soccer stadium here is very competitive with other proposed projects.
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The Pickle Research Center goes all the way to Burnet.
Right, but there's going to be another N/S street (and another strip of development) between the McKalla site and Burnet. The two won't be across the street from each other, is what I mean.

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It would make a big difference if UT decides to lease the land along Burnet for mixed use development but I haven't heard about any plans to. That would definitely be a game changer.
That helps, but I'm not sure how much its required, with improved N/S connectivity from the MK site, and presumably improved connectivity E across the RR tracks.

Especially as compared to the Butler site. Now, Butler provided great views, but it was surrounded to the west by the park, to the north by the river, then to the south had a narrow strip of development and then "locked in place" single family in the Zilker neighborhood.


Some people complain about McKalla being too far away from the Domain (which as I said, is short sighted, but even so), while not recognizing that Butler is a mile walk to West 6th, almost 2 miles to traditional 6th Street or Rainey, etc.
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In the end, IMHO the argument for McKalla is this:



I still think PSV has a pretty strong incentive to be in Austin, and could choose McKalla and still come out on top. But it's distressing to see just how hostile Pool is to something that could be an incredible boon to her district and the city itself. I mean, seriously. If the city could put a singular attraction on top of a former brownfield in my district, I'd be ecstatic. Hell, I'd even offer to build them sidewalks to help the deal happen.

Is she just tone deaf or was she elected to be this way?
Agreed. While perhaps not as picturesque as either Butler or Guerrero it will face far less public opposition. Currently it's just dead space.

In the big picture the surrounding area has five or six breweries already plus Domain, plus rail line, plus all the restaurants on North Burnet. The additional area warehouse space wouldn't be too hard to re-purpose either. You'd be able to pull fans from Austin, Round Rock, Cedar Park, and Georgetown pretty easily. Southies would get bypassed again but that seems to be par for development trends.
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Agreed. While perhaps not as picturesque as either Butler or Guerrero it will face far less public opposition. Currently it's just dead space.

In the big picture the surrounding area has five or six breweries already plus Domain, plus rail line, plus all the restaurants on North Burnet. The additional area warehouse space wouldn't be too hard to re-purpose either. You'd be able to pull fans from Austin, Round Rock, Cedar Park, and Georgetown pretty easily. Southies would get bypassed again but that seems to be par for development trends.
Someone said it earlier in the thread: McKalla is the long play. Given 5 years or so, a stadium could be an important development anchor up that way.
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Someone said it earlier in the thread: McKalla is the long play. Given 5 years or so, a stadium could be an important development anchor up that way.
Fully agreed but I imagine we'd be looking at least 2 years minimum before any stadium opened, so it's not too too far off. I might also be living a bit in dreamland here, bear with me Huge soccer fan and this is biking distance to home.
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Agreed. While perhaps not as picturesque as either Butler or Guerrero it will face far less public opposition. Currently it's just dead space.

In the big picture the surrounding area has five or six breweries already plus Domain, plus rail line, plus all the restaurants on North Burnet. The additional area warehouse space wouldn't be too hard to re-purpose either. You'd be able to pull fans from Austin, Round Rock, Cedar Park, and Georgetown pretty easily. Southies would get bypassed again but that seems to be par for development trends.
And it's precisely the reason why I'll no longer support the effort to bring this team to Austin if they do not choose a location near DT. As someone on FB commented on some other subject who I don't know but loved his comment, regarding south Austin, he posted "What are we, chopped liver?

Besides the point is to see the skyline of Austin from the stadium. The Domain is far from having an impressive skyline. There are more impressive clusters of buildings in San Antonio than what's going up at the Domain. I'm sorry but it has a ways to go before really being Austin's 2nd DT. Its all apart of private development, not apart of the city grid such was made apparent from a recent news segment on KXAN where they were not allowed to film anywhere within the Domain premises. So your not going to allow our local news stations cover news stories about the Domain at the Domain? I'm just over it.

Guerro Park is my final stand in support.
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