Great Lakes Cities

[Docere]

So Ontario comes in just behind the least "corn-y" of the Midwestern states, Michigan.

[montréaliste]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

god i hate corn and flatness. its a physical relief when i’ve been criss-crossing illinois all week and take my dog to a rocky, steep ozark foothill trail in southwest st. louis county on the weekend.

Lol.



OTHA, I have to say; that subsidized corn goes a long way to get you and your dog's sweet ass out of Illinois prairie on ethanol. What goes around comes around.

[Docere]

When Americans say "prairie" I think it usually means Illinois or Iowa. What Canadians refer to as "the Prairies" are the northern part of the Great Plains.

[bnk]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

god i hate corn and flatness. its a physical relief when i’ve been criss-crossing illinois all week and take my dog to a rocky, steep ozark foothill trail in southwest st. louis county on the weekend.

Why would one hate corn?

Is not corn the feed to our beef cattle, milking cows, hogs, and chickens?

The best fead prime beef is fattened on corn.





Where do you think meat comes from? Off of trees or something?


Are you a vegan? Do you not even consume cheese?

If not than what's your answerer than corn than?


If you are a pure vegan and eat no meat then ok.

if no than shut your pie hole.

[Docere]

Two photo tours of inner Toronto on SSP.

Really liked this one Monkey Ronin posted:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=229485

And one of the west end:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=191191

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

god i hate corn and flatness.

Didn't expect this post to be so controversial.

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by bnk

Why would one hate corn?

Is not corn the feed to our beef cattle, milking cows, hogs, and chickens?

The best fead prime beef is fattened on corn.





Where do you think meat comes from? Off of trees or something?


Are you a vegan? Do you not even consume cheese?

If not than what's your answerer than corn than?


If not a pure vegan and eat no meat then ok

if no than shut your pie hole.

obviously you haven't spent a decade hacking through corn with a machete in the humid illinois prairie sun to find water and oil wells. amusing to hear a chicagolander taking a stand on this.

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Docere

When Americans say "prairie" I think it usually means Illinois or Iowa. What Canadians refer to as "the Prairies" are the northern part of the Great Plains.

Illinois is the "Prairie State".

"A Prairie Home Companion" was based out of Minnesota.

The setting (and historical basis) of the series of books that "Little House on the Prairie" was based on includes many parts of the Midwest and Plains.

http://littlehouseontheprairie.com/historic-locations-and-museum-sites/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie#Etymology

According to Wikipedia:

According to Theodore Roosevelt:

“We have taken into our language the word prairie, because when our backwoodsmen first reached the land [in the Midwest] and saw the great natural meadows of long grass—sights unknown to the gloomy forests wherein they had always dwelt—they knew not what to call them, and borrowed the term already in use among the French inhabitants.[1]”

Prairie is the French word for meadow, but the ultimate root is the Latin pratum (same meaning).

[Capsicum]

In Canada, the area dry enough to be prairie rather than forest is smaller, relative to the country as a whole, and also farther west (many of the areas north of the American prairies in Canada are still heavily wooded).

I guess the warmer summer south of the border means that it's easier to have the drier conditions that allow grass to dominate the land (as well as allow wildfires that suppress forest growth and favor grasses that grow easily afterwards) rather than support dense growth of trees.

[ThePhun1]

Toronto was mentioned on this page, gee, what else could follow? I'm surprised I haven't seen it yet.

[Docere]

On TO's "transitional" position:

toronto is like pittsburgh in this regard. it's not a first-wave city but neither does it have that midwestern gigantism, the broad streets and self-conscious monumentalism. it's more intimate and cramped than a cleveland or a detroit (or a buffalo, or an indianapolis) but lacks the 18th-century lot layout and housing typology of a philadelphia or montreal (or a baltimore, or a new york city).

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6940104&postcount=52

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Docere

On TO's "transitional" position:



http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6940104&postcount=52

Considering the title and content of the thread ("Average cost of a detached Toronto home tops $1-million") that quote was from was, that's one way Toronto isn't like the Midwest -- house prices!

[Capsicum]

Demographically Toronto isn't like the Midwest either. About 30-40% of Torontonians, and most visible minorities in Toronto, are of Asian descent (all kinds added together whether they're Chinese, Pakistanis, Filipinos etc.).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/census-visible-minorities-1.4371018

But the Midwest is the part of the US with the least Asian-Americans.

[Docere]

Toronto is the Queens NY of the Great Lakes (or conversely, Queens is the Toronto of the USA).

[Capsicum]

Somehow, the Midwest (eg. the metro areas of Chicago, Detroit) managed to get decent numbers of people of South Asian, and Middle Eastern (who might be considered Arab or West Asian on the Canadian census, but not considered Asian on the US Census) descent, but relatively few East Asians. I wonder why that is.

Toronto has both lots of East Asians and South Asians.

[Capsicum]

Also very few Caribbean descent Black Americans live in the Midwest (they're very numerous on the east coast). Most Midwestern Black Americans came from long-standing US roots from the Great Migration. Some people however, speculate that Jean Baptiste Point du Sable, the first permanent resident, and founder of the city of Chicago may have been of Haitian descent, and others think he was part French-Canadian. He was described as being of African descent, and had a French surname, but very little about him is known, not his birth date, nor place, nor family history, prior to his arrival in the area, and no portraits or pictures of him were known from during his lifetime.

Whereas Toronto's Black Canadian population is highly demographically Caribbean (especially Jamaican) in origin. There are some areas whose Black Canadian population is dominated by African Americans' descendants in southwestern Ontario, but not that many multi-generational Black Canadians in Ontario, relative to the Midwest.

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Capsicum

Somehow, the Midwest (eg. the metro areas of Chicago, Detroit) managed to get decent numbers of people of South Asian, and Middle Eastern (who might be considered Arab or West Asian on the Canadian census, but not considered Asian on the US Census) descent, but relatively few East Asians. I wonder why that is.

Toronto has both lots of East Asians and South Asians.

A South Asian immigrant from Bangladesh, Fazlur Rahman Khan who was a structural engineer, also helped engineer the design of many of Chicago's iconic buildings, the Sears Tower and John Hancock Center. He came to the US to study during the 50s.

[Mister F]

Originally Posted by Capsicum

In Canada, the area dry enough to be prairie rather than forest is smaller, relative to the country as a whole, and also farther west (many of the areas north of the American prairies in Canada are still heavily wooded).

I guess the warmer summer south of the border means that it's easier to have the drier conditions that allow grass to dominate the land (as well as allow wildfires that suppress forest growth and favor grasses that grow easily afterwards) rather than support dense growth of trees.

Much of that forested region has warmer summers than much of the Prairies. It's not the temperature, it's the geology. The Canadian Shield is very rugged and rocky and doesn't support large grasslands regardless of temperature.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Capsicum

Considering the title and content of the thread ("Average cost of a detached Toronto home tops $1-million") that quote was from was, that's one way Toronto isn't like the Midwest -- house prices!

Neither Toronto or Pittsburgh are "Midwest." But in terms of demographics and housing prices, yeah, they obviously couldn't be more different cities.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

Lakewood, OH seems to have some great homes.

yes lakewood is a wonderful, very mixed, hipstery and dense old suburb of beautiful large craftsman homes and apt bldgs. in fact its the density capital city of ohio. there is also a downtown lakewood as you see in the foreground a string of highrise apt bldgs along lake erie. many of the inner suburbs that border cleveland are actually and for otherwise all practical purposes physical extensions of the city, like lakewood, the heights, east cleveland, etc.