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I think the main problem with the old façade was the limestone at the base, which didn't allow for retail.

Even the original windows that were retained during the 2007 renovation have recently been replaced by Avigilon - and the new windows do not seem to fit properly - there's excess trim that has been added to cover the gaps.
Limestone base can make great retro-retail! I've seen lots of those types in England, and they are timeless.
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Is that a joke?

Avigilon

They are a pretty big local success story.
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Dec.14 '17, my pic
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Looking at the cut edge -
Makes you wonder why they didn't peel back the cladding before the green wall was installed?

PS - you can see the new chunky awning in that shot too.

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Old Posted Dec 19, 2017, 12:37 AM
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Thanks!

I assume the gutters on the new awning drain back into the building (I see a couple downspouts)?
The old awnings were curved and I think they just shedded water into the sidewalk.
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Does anyone know what retail (if any) is planned for the ground floor?

I feel like they have been hap-hazardly working on this building for a while..
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That's a bit of an awkward name...
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Avigilon is a video security company - so the name would be based on "vigilance".

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Does anyone know what retail (if any) is planned for the ground floor?

I feel like they have been hap-hazardly working on this building for a while..
With the extra window, I'm thinking it's for a café.
A retail store wouldn't mind the extra wall space, but a café would want to open it up.
If I recall correctly, the previous Telus store had a mezzanine (?).
Don't know if that would be retained or not.
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Does anyone know if there's any Telus infrastructure in the WF building or is it entirely office?

I'm hoping the WF gets redeveloped as a tall skinny tower in the future.
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Does anyone know if there's any Telus infrastructure in the WF building or is it entirely office?

I'm hoping the WF gets redeveloped as a tall skinny tower in the future.
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The container is gone from the Robson sidewalk on the Avigilon side.
The Robson canopy looks pretty good and matches the adjacent Telus Garden in bulk/appearance.

On Seymour, metal cladding is being installed around the new Avigilon sign.
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The canopy has been completed on the Seymour side of the Avigilon Building
- and all the construction hoardings and scaffolding have been removed.
The "steps" in the awning are not consistent.

Also, the planters forming the Tractor patio have been removed.
(Maybe wasn't used in winter?)

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Can someone please answer yes or no, the proposed (and approved) video screens on the corner of Robson and Seymour, going to happen or not?

I don't see any braces / brackets for such a feature.

That corner looks pretty dull right now...
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Can someone please answer yes or no, the proposed (and approved) video screens on the corner of Robson and Seymour, going to happen or not?

I don't see any braces / brackets for such a feature.

That corner looks pretty dull right now...
I've looked at the images of the models and the renders, and while there was an early proposal for screens at Seymour and Robson, it's not clear that it was approved - it's in earlier versions rather than the final version. It would face a residential building across Robson, so that location seems highly unlikely to get approved.

There's a projecting box on the new Telus building on Seymour at West Georgia that was designed to feature back-projected images, but Telus don't seem to be using that, at least for now (unless someone has seen it in operation recently?).

As Avigilon bought the old 1950s reno'd and overscreened office at Seymour and Robson, and then were reported to have re-sold it, Telus no longer have any involvement in the building. It seems unlikely a new owner would want to put any sort of screen there, if one were permitted.
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Ah, thanks for the info.

There was actually going to be two screens there (similar to Best Buy).

That sucks, I had a feeling somehow that element would be dropped (as always). Just Like the ticker that was proposed and approved to wrap around the renovated office building near Stadium Skytrain.
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The large avigilon sign makes it look like that's a main entrance but when you look inside it looks like some sad back hallway.

Overall this Reno at the street level gets a big fail. They have an extensive renovation and they can't even put an electrical junction box behind the sign! That they have to have a wire coming down to connect it, that's just lazy! And the awnings make no sense. I think everyone can see why!
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2018, 3:22 AM
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Does anyone know if there's any Telus infrastructure in the WF building or is it entirely office?

I'm hoping the WF gets redeveloped as a tall skinny tower in the future.
The WF building (768 Seymour or 555 Robson?) is the central node for Telus downtown Vancouver. It's called "Mutual CO". Haven't been there in years but it's packed with equipment and it has just about all copper and fibre cables running into it from all over downtown dating back to the 1940s.
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The WF building (768 Seymour or 555 Robson?) is the central node for Telus downtown Vancouver. It's called "Mutual CO". Haven't been there in years but it's packed with equipment and it has just about all copper and fibre cables running into it from all over downtown dating back to the 1940s.
The William Farrell (WF) Building was first built on Seymour at Robson in 1941, and the building you can see today (behind the glass skin) was completed in 1953. Later, in the 1970s, the much larger building further north on Seymour was added, and finally a small element with a sunken courtyard up on West Georgia.

In 2001 the Farrell Building was effectively gutted and rebuilt as offices. The equipment was all removed, and the additional skin added (designed by Busby & Associates) that created a green building, with air entering at the bottom, rising up the face of the building, and when the sun is shining, sucked out at the top by photo-voltaic powered fans. No sun, no fan, less airflow. The old opening windows were retained, but behind the skin, so natural ventilation fresh air is available. [More details here]

A further change followed with the introduction of a glazed atrium replacing part of the 1970s building. This also improved the energy performance by creating a chimey effect to draw the heat from the electronics in the building along, up, and out of the building.

In the past few years the entire building complex has been reconfigured again. This time the Farrell Building and the atrium have been separated from the 1970s building, and sold to Avigilon, who have carried out further changes including replacing the original wooden windows behind the skin.

In the meantime the 1970s building has been tied in to the new Telus office building on West Georgia, designed by Henriquez, and the entire energy system reconfigured to LEED Platinum levels by using, rather than venting, the 1970s building's excess heat, through a new heat exchange system. There's a new glazed screen over almost all the 1970s building to increase the efficiency of the new system. (There's a gap for the intake air vents that run up the building). The various new systems are still being installed and completed, and there are additions on top of the 1970s building as well.

Meanwhile Avigilon have just about completed their renovations, which happen to coincide with the Telus work, but are now a separate building under different ownership. Given how much they've spent on the building, redevelopment seems pretty unlikely for many years, and a commercial point tower on such a small site seems unlikely to be financially worthwhile. (It's not like the MNP site which had virtually no existing building). It's also unlikely to be possible because of how close the residential Telus Garden condo tower would be - it would be even tighter than the Jameson and Exchange proximity.
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Few other notes / observations:
- when the 2nd skin was added in 2001, there were colour-changing LED lights installed on the 2nd skin facing inwards towards the building. That feature soon fell into disrepair.
- in the current round of renovations to the William Farrell Building, it appears that the original wooden (?) frame windows have been removed and replaced with what look like white vinyl frame windows (awkward looking in that they have wider trim on the vertical sides). You can see them in my canopy pics.
- Avigilon flipped the building about 2 years after it bought it. https://biv.com/article/2017/05/avigilon-flips-old-telus-hq-big-profit
- as to redevelopment potential - it probably sits under the same City Hall viewcone that limits the Vancouver Centre II height.
The Telus Garden condo (other than at the curved carve-out at the top) sits in the "view shadow" of Scotia Tower so can go taller than the view cone (how arbitrary is that?).
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