Northeast False Creek | Proposed

[Urbanmetro]

Originally Posted by Vin

You deserve high praise for saying this.

Finally someone calls it for what it is. I'd like to know who in office is getting a huge kick back from Concord. This all started from selling prime real estate for basically free...

To teardown and rebuild completely functional infrastructure is ludicrous. All this money could be put into something much more beneficial for CoV like speeding up a Hastings Street corridor SkyTrain line and upzoning the entire strip from gas town to boundary road. That will get rid of a few bus lines and be very cost efficient giving Vancouver somewhere to grow.

[officedweller]

Since the City gave the okay for taller buildings exceeding viewcones for the aesthetic "gateway",
hopefully, that means that they'll eventually consider taller buildings exceeding viewcones on a more substantive basis
- like at rapid transit stations (Waterfront Station, Granville Station) that will have a more significant benefit to the "Green City" than taller condo towers on the fringe of downtown (Burrard Gateway, Granville Gateway (Vancouver House) and now Georgia Gateway).

[rofina]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Since the City gave the okay for taller buildings exceeding viewcones for the aesthetic "gateway",
hopefully, that means that they'll eventually consider taller buildings exceeding viewcones on a more substantive basis
- like at rapid transit stations (Waterfront Station, Granville Station) that will have a more significant benefit to the "Green City" than taller condo towers on the fringe of downtown (Burrard Gateway, Granville Gateway (Vancouver House) and now Georgia Gateway).

Yes - this.

Its blowing my mind, the opposition to this.

Get new social housing, new market housing, new parks, new amenities, revitalize a dead waterfront, new seawall.

And we are going to oppose this because mountain views will be partially blocked from a random road intersection of Cambie and 12th?

Think about the absurdity of that.

[cornholio]

Now is the time for the NPA or some other entity to drag this into the courts. That should be enough to first of all put this to a halt until the next council kills this for the good of the city, but long enough to expose the corruption in the current/past council and city hall. We are talking about hundreds of millions involved here and tons of shady stuff that has happened to get us here. Concord which is very close to certain people in city hall made yesterday several hundred million dollars because of this vote in that one instance, assuming they can have this stick. I doubt it is a complete coincidence certain politicians and city hall employees are jumping ship now that they got this to this point and can no longer impact it. Job done. I heard some stories before...

[GenWhy?]

Also, the City is now ready to make millions off of development upfront and through development, as well as through property taxes and the benefit incurred by concentrating populations within a smaller footprint (services, transportation, etc). These pros and cons always exist.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Since the City gave the okay for taller buildings exceeding viewcones for the aesthetic "gateway",
hopefully, that means that they'll eventually consider taller buildings exceeding viewcones on a more substantive basis
- like at rapid transit stations (Waterfront Station, Granville Station) that will have a more significant benefit to the "Green City" than taller condo towers on the fringe of downtown (Burrard Gateway, Granville Gateway (Vancouver House) and now Georgia Gateway).

Only when it benefits them financially, they will forego viewcones and other restrictions that they have in their Holy Book. You often hear them preach the importance of these to gullible Vancouverites, who have started to buy into it after decades of brainwashing. Total hypocrites. This is also very unfair to other developers who desire to build taller in the city.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Also, the City is now ready to make millions off of development upfront and through development, as well as through property taxes and the benefit incurred by concentrating populations within a smaller footprint (services, transportation, etc). These pros and cons always exist.

As repeatedly mentioned this does not add a single square foot of density or park space. Not one. The FSR limits of the area and projected park space is easily reachable with the viaducts in place. In fact you can likely get even more public space with them in place as the area beneath them is perfectly usable and in fact well suited for many compatible public spaces.

The reason this has gotten to here is because of Concord. This increases the value of their land and makes construction for them cheaper. Nothing else.

[cov]

Originally Posted by cornholio

As repeatedly mentioned this does not add a single square foot of density or park space. Not one. The FSR limits of the area and projected park space is easily reachable with the viaducts in place. In fact you can likely get even more public space with them in place as the area beneath them is perfectly usable and in fact well suited for many compatible public spaces.

The reason this has gotten to here is because of Concord. This increases the value of their land and makes construction for them cheaper. Nothing else.

The new plan makes the entire region a whole lot nicer of a place. The bridge current act as homeless camps and choke off point for the downtown core. The entire area will inevitably improve with the new plan. I don't know what kind of backward city counselors or urban development institute will be against that.

will somebody make money? Sure. Somebody will always make money out of any circumstances, past, present, and future.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by cov

The new plan makes the entire region a whole lot nicer of a place. The bridge current act as homeless camps and choke off point for the downtown core. The entire area will inevitably improve with the new plan. I don't know what kind of backward city counselors or urban development institute will be against that.

will somebody make money? Sure. Somebody will always make money out of any circumstances, past, present, and future.

Comments like this feel like someone has ignored every point just made. The area has been made like this through the will of the city.

Major viaducts are not barriers throughout Tokyo and Osaka, in fact under and around them are often the most interesting and funky urban social scenes in the city.

The new massive park plus Pacific Boulevard will “reconnect” Gastown to False Creek no better than building towers and park space in and around the viaducts.

The joke is that the city will even be retaining a major portion of the Dunsmir Viaduct as a highland park! (Also the most intrusive viaduct, the Skytrain, will remain, not to mention the new Georgia ramp) and somehow with these the barrier argument disappears????

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

The joke is that the city will even be retaining a major portion of the Dunsmir Viaduct as a highland park! (Also the most intrusive viaduct, the Skytrain, will remain, not to mention the new Georgia ramp) and somehow with these the barrier argument disappears????

The plans don't retain any of the existing viaducts. Under the plan both viaducts will be demolished, and partially replaced on the old Dunsmuir alignment with a new structure called the Dunsmuir Connector which is a linear park for pedestrian and bikes only, with a wider section in the west with other park activities included in the design. It might be partially covered, as it will be adjacent to new mixed-use buildings that could have commercial uses alongside.

[officedweller]

I think the existing viaducts will be retained up to the intersection with Citadel Parade (Concord Spectrum).

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think the existing viaducts will be retained up to the intersection with Citadel Parade (Concord Spectrum).

I imagine there will still be pedestrian access from Citadel over to Rogers Arena and the Costco stairs/elevator. Whether you consider that to be "retaining the existing viaduct" is another matter.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think the existing viaducts will be retained up to the intersection with Citadel Parade (Concord Spectrum).

I think that's where the viaduct starts. This Google streetview seems to show a wall by the steam plant, and across from Cosmo (the West Georgia Concord tower). I don't think there is a viaduct west of here - although it is West Georgia Street and the approach to the Georgia Viaduct.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by cov

The new plan makes the entire region a whole lot nicer of a place. The bridge current act as homeless camps and choke off point for the downtown core. The entire area will inevitably improve with the new plan. I don't know what kind of backward city counselors or urban development institute will be against that.

will somebody make money? Sure. Somebody will always make money out of any circumstances, past, present, and future.

Correction:

A new plan with the viaducts in place will make the entire region a whole lot nicer of a place. The bridge will act as recreational spots and pedestrian malls connecting various points for the downtown core. The entire area will inevitably improve with the new plan. I don't know what kind of backward city councilors or urban development institute will be against that.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Changing City

I think that's where the viaduct starts. This Google streetview seems to show a wall by the steam plant, and across from Cosmo (the West Georgia Concord tower). I don't think there is a viaduct west of here - although it is West Georgia Street and the approach to the Georgia Viaduct.

I think they'll need to keep one pylon up (or equivalent).
I've circled what I think is the arm holding up the traffic light at Citadel Parade.

WarrenC12 raises a good point though - the Rogers tower currently has a driveway/drop-off at the viaduct level
- I wonder if that will disappear?


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[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think they'll need to keep one pylon up (or equivalent).
I've circled what I think is the arm holding up the traffic light at Citadel Parade.

WarrenC12 raises a good point though - the Rogers tower currently has a driveway/drop-off at the viaduct level
- I wonder if that will disappear?

Details like this might emerge in the report due in August. Either end of Citadel Parade are accessed from the Dunsmuir and Georgia viaducts (rather than on the escarpment, with dirt underneath), but they could be removed and replaced if the seismic issues make retaining them too complex. The new Dunsmuir Connector looks like its wider at the western end, so it could access Citadel as a parkade access, with no connection to Georgia at all - They might need all the space they can get on the Georgia side to build the new Georgia Street extension. The Rogers Arena access seems unlikely to have a long term future, as the new ramp will be straight (and the tower access is on the curve), but the details should emerge later this year.

The report to council last week said "The Dunsmuir Connection will serve as a programmable gathering space for the portion adjacent to Rogers Arena", but there's also the intention to "Establish a pedestrian walkway between the Dunsmuir Connection and the Chinatown-Stadium SkyTrain Station that allows seamless access to and from the connection, as well as to the 300 level entry of Rogers Arena."

[officedweller]

WRT Spectrum, I suppose fire trucks fight fires in the towers from the ramp, but you'd think that connectivity between Citadel parade and the ramp would be preferred for emergency vehicles (i.e. lobbies open to the Citadel Parade elevation / i.e. for ambulances)

For the Rogers tower, I was thinking of both emergency vehicle access and occupant / handicap / courier access to the main lobby (which I think is on the viaduct level), but they could always have a pull-out and stairs from the Georgia ramp.

[Changing City]

It looks as if the details for the Plaza of Nations might be getting sorted out - there's a Public Open House from 5pm to 8pm on March 15th.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It looks as if the details for the Plaza of Nations might be getting sorted out - there's a Public Open House from 5pm to 8pm on March 15th.

All of the details: http://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/750pacific/index.htm

Some interesting amenities proposed...

[Migrant_Coconut]

- civic facilities, including a community centre, ice rink, music presentation centre and a 69-space childcare facility

Fingers crossed for a rock-climbing wall and/or bowling alley.