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lzppjb · #**521** Posted **Feb 8, 2018, 4:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Geckos_Rule

This might be mildly tangential, but are there any plans to have shoal creek renovated or cleaned up at all? Honestly I'd love for the city to support a private effort by the developers of these buildings to do it...since I've seen from waller creek how difficult it is to get the city to do anything in that area

The City is planning some stuff.

https://www.shoalcreekconservancy.or...17-2017.11.pdf

https://www.shoalcreekconservancy.or...2017.09.05.pdf

https://www.shoalcreekconservancy.org/trailplan/

Also restoring 15th-28th: http://www.austintexas.gov/shoalcreekrestoration

And I believe they finished closing the gap in the trail.

GenslerATX · #**522** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

Welcome, Gensler!

Can you shed any light on the...lighting? Specifically those vertical lines running the building...Still happening?

They most certainly are happening.

GenslerATX · #**523** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 2:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sigaven

If the building ended up looking like it does in this rendering it would already look better tenfold. With the glass wrapping around to the Shoal Creek side, and then the gray panels only tucked in the back corner against the Proper. I get that the designer wanted the 3rd/nueces corner to look the best but I don't think they realize how prominent and important the other corner - that of Shoal Creek and 3rd - is. It's highly visible from the newly burgeoning pedestrian area that is around Seaholm.

I've never liked that rendering.

Whoops! Did I say that?

Yeah, I did.

I hate that rendering.

GenslerATX · #**524** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by the Genral

I don't mean any harm or disrespect, but I do like to poke a little humor in now and then. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and cost savings has no boundaries. But you have to admit, the Sear's comment was a teensy weensy bit funny.

We LOVE a good sense of humor, but no it wasn't funny.

Wah wah.

GenslerATX · #**525** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by the Genral

Usually, stucco is what is considered poverty siding. I've seen this grey material up close and it looks like a cost saving alternative.

IBC requirement: ventilated garage

2 choices: mechanical or natural

Mechanical: looks better, costs more, less parking

Natural: looks not as good, costs way less, more parking

Guess which one won.

Gotta be grown-ups sometimes.

Wah wah.

IluvATX · #**526** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 4:02 PM**

I would have swapped a 30' wide section of glass from the 3rd st. side and put it on the Shoal Creek side. Same cost and meets code.

freerover · #**527** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 5:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sigaven

that's not what I was saying - I'm saying I just wish they ALSO put glass on the creek side as well. I get it that maybe it was cost prohibitive, but that doesn't mean it doesn't still look bad.

They weren't allowed to because of ventilation requirements. Had to pick 2 sides for glass.

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Originally Posted by GenslerATX

Gotta be grown-ups sometimes.

You obviously haven't heard of the, "well you're already spending X so you might as well spend X+infinity" argument.

Sigaven · #**528** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 8:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by freerover

They weren't allowed to because of ventilation requirements. Had to pick 2 sides for glass.

Yes, I know that. I am just saying, what they had shown in the rendering would have been so much better.

Gensler, I wish you'd stop taking the criticism so personally. Yes, I get that you had no choice. But I still have the right to criticize, and, as usual, the client is to blame for the building looking cheaped-out (not necessarily the architect). Though, I do wonder why a more elegant solution couldn't have been done. Surely there could have been some pattern or texture to those panels without costing much more, if any.

Jdawgboy · #**529** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 8:30 PM**

We also know that the materials are from whatever company that made them but Genral is correct when he mentioned that the siding seems to dent rather easily. Walk along 3rd just before you get to the dead end of the street and you will notice a big dent, looks like someone threw a rock at it. Right on one of those freshly added panels. The quality does seem rather weak.

the Genral · #**530** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 1:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by GenslerATX

Gotta be grown-ups sometimes.

Wah wah.

Well that's mature...So welcome to a forum that doesn't care about the excuses for cost cutting changes to designs, or compromises for the sake of cost savings. We care about what's getting built downtown and the quality of the design. Some of us are tired of cost saving design changes. I don't appreciate the smugness that goes with your explanations for going cheap as much as you don't like my response to it. I call it a push. I make light of it however, and you take it way too serious for here. I'm not insulting you personally, just some of the aspects of certain buildings going up or completed downtown. No, I don't like this building and the over powering nasty grey shit that covers the parking garage and I make fun of it... so what, get over it. Its my personal opinion that apparently doesn't remotely matter anyway.
Wah f'n wah.

the Genral · #**531** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 1:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by GenslerATX

We LOVE a good sense of humor, but no it wasn't funny.

Wah wah.

Yes...it was...I was going to go with a comparison of wearing sneakers with a tuxedo to save a few bucks, the tux being the top part of the building and the sneakers being the grey material, but I didn't want to insult tuxedos...or sneakers.

Wah, dropping the mike, wah....

wwmiv · #**532** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 5:25 AM**

Maybe the first comment wasn't rude, but those were. Please don't drive the Gensler architect away by being rude.

I'd like his/her participation here.

the Genral · #**533** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 5:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Maybe the first comment wasn't rude, but those were. Please don't drive the Gensler architect away by being rude.

I'd like his/her participation here.

Sorry, I got caught up with their Wah wah endings to their replies to my posts where I was mostly trying to play nice. Please re read them, 8:48 and 8:49 comments. Thought that was rude and disrespectful towards me. I've only been posting here since 2009. They've been here a whole few weeks. You know what, you win... By ya'll, I'm signing out...

wwmiv · #**534** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 6:43 AM**

I don't want you to leave, either!

Why can't we all just get along?

The ATX · #**535** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 6:47 AM**

I think the criticism of this project and the sensitivity to the criticism is all a little excessive.

Jdawgboy · #**536** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 7:10 AM**

I think it's great that we have someone with a major architecture firm that has designed many of the buildings in this city join the forum. I'm hoping there are other architecture firms and even development firms at least taking some interest in what we discuss here. Reality is we are what you would call the hardcore fans of urban planning and development. We may not all have degrees in architecture or urban planning but we are not fools when we talk about problems or issues that we come across regarding buildings. There's a reason why many of us feel that Shoal creek is being neglected in how some of these buildings are interacting with the area. We are not trying to bash 3rd @ Shoal for the sake of it, we want it to be a success and we want the building to look great. But there are legitimate concerns about how the end result will turn out.

Personally it would have been nice, since it took the place of the Austin Music Hall, that a music venue could have been incorporated into the project, the venue could have opened up to Shoal Creek which would have enhanced the way the building interacts with the surrounding fabric of the area. These are ideas that developers and architectural firms could take into consideration because it's not just about the bottom dollar. This is our city too. I was born and raised here. It would be nice to know that maybe something that I've said as an idea over the years just might have helped influence an aspect about a project.

We vs us · #**537** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 1:08 PM**

At the risk of piling on -- I like the idea of having Gensler (or anyone, for that matter) here if he/she's going to contribute as an equal to the conversation. But parachuting in here solely to defend against our good-faith criticism isn't cool. If he/she has special information that we don't have access to -- that's great and can help the conversation along. But using that to shut down dissent just ain't what forum life anywhere -- not just here -- is built on.

ahealy · #**538** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 3:36 PM**

Gensler, we love you. Opinions, we love you too.

Let's hug this out babes.

GenslerATX · #**539** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by freerover

They weren't allowed to because of ventilation requirements. Had to pick 2 sides for glass.

You obviously haven't heard of the, "well you're already spending X so you might as well spend X+infinity" argument.

Are you kidding? We invented that argument.

Here's what we learned: there is no infinity. In the formula X+infinity, infinity=0. So, you still wind up with X.

Gotta be grown-ups sometimes... It's the worst.

GenslerATX · #**540** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by ahealy

Gensler, we love you. Opinions, we love you too.

Let's hug this out babes.

Couldn't agree more! We love opinions! We all get to have them! Gensler, too.

And we LOVE Golden Girls.