Great Lakes Cities

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

Shoot me a message if you want some restaurant recommendations in Toronto.

You'll already have a fair bit of wilderness travel through the Upper Peninsula , and it's a fair bit out of the way, but I can't recommend the Bruce Peninsula enough. Some great hiking and amazingly clear water which is all the better for checking out one of the densest collections of shipwrecks in the world.


from:https://www.internationaltraveller.com/bruce-peninsula-ontario


from:http://rf-photography.ca/stock-photography/stock-bruce-peninsula/


from: http://www.travellingchicken.ca/bruce-peninsula-cottage


from:https://www.scubadiving.com/drive-and-dive-exploring-wrecks-tobermory

Where on the peninsula would one go to experience scenes like the ones pictured here?

[suburbanite]

The national park which occupies the northeastern edge of the peninsula contains the majority of the postcard landscapes. The shipwrecks are concentrated around Tobermory and the shallow waters surrounding the nearby islands.

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

The national park which occupies the northeastern edge of the peninsula contains the majority of the postcard landscapes. The shipwrecks are concentrated around Tobermory and the shallow waters surrounding the nearby islands.

Added to the itinerary! <3

[Sun Belt]

I love these pictures and also love how there is zero development around the shores!

[Crawford]

They also do shipwreck tours from the U.S. side, directly across from the Bruce Peninsula. Alpena, MI has shipwreck tours with glass-bottom boats. Pretty interesting stuff.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

I love these pictures and also love how there is zero development around the shores!

some parts of the great lakes shoreline are undeveloped, but as general rule, the further south you are in the great lakes, the more shoreline development you'll see.

obviously at its most intense, shoreline development manifests itself in cities like chicago, toronto, milwaukee, cleveland, etc. but there are also LOADS of smaller lakefront towns and miles upon miles of cottage lakeshore.

the west coast of michigan along lake michigan is basically one big long cottage district, periodically interupted by state parks here and there, that goes on for a couple hundred miles, but the cottages are usually set behind the dune/tree line, so the beach area still looks like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7056847,...9999962-ya240.5-ro0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120

that general scene above literally goes on for hundreds of miles along the west coast of michigan.

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

some parts of the great lakes shoreline are undeveloped, but as general rule, the further south you are in the great lakes, the more shoreline development you'll see.

obviously at its most intense, shoreline development manifests itself in cities like chicago, toronto, milwaukee, cleveland, etc. but there are also LOADS of smaller lakefront towns and miles upon miles of cottage lakeshore.

the west coast of michigan along lake michigan is basically one big long cottage district, periodically interupted by state parks here and there, that goes on for a couple hundred miles, but the cottages are usually set behind the dune/tree line, so the beach area still looks like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7056847,...9999962-ya240.5-ro0-fo100!7i10240!8i5120

that general scene above literally goes on for hundreds of miles along the west coast of michigan.

Yeah after I posted that I thought I should have clarified the 'zero development' comment to correspond to the pictures and not the Great Lake region because of places like Chi. GTA and "The Land" (NBA jersey reference)

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

the west coast of michigan along lake michigan is basically one big long cottage district, periodically interupted by state parks here and there, that goes on for a couple hundred miles, but the cottages are usually set behind the dune/tree line, so the beach area still looks like this:

And that's why cottages on Lake Huron are better.

Lake Huron cottages tend to be directly on the lake. My parents have a cottage near Oscoda, and the house is right on the beach. You step from the house onto sand.

Also, the northern parts of the Great Lakes aren't "virgin". The Bruce Peninsula might look "untouched" but those aren't old-growth trees. The Great Lakes have been used as giant tree farms for a couple of centuries now, and everything you see now is pretty recent (and much of Up North was barren of trees 100 years ago).

[dc_denizen]

Killarney provincial park is worth a visit. We canoed their when I was a kid. Beautiful place.

[Docere]

Yeah, the Bruce Peninsula is spectacular. I have a close that moved to Owen Sound and I really like spending time in the area.

[Docere]

Question: Overall, is Michigan more similar to Ohio or Wisconsin? I guess it depends on whether you emphasize geography or population.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Docere

Question: Overall, is Michigan more similar to Ohio or Wisconsin? I guess it depends on whether you emphasize geography or population.

from a strictly geographical perspective, I'd say it's more similar to wisconsin, but yeah, it depends.

socially, culturally, demographically, it's probably more similar to ohio, because the vast bulk of michigan's population lives in the southern half of the lower peninsula, near ohio.

Also worth noting that both ohio and wisconsin have "big river" sections to their states, along the ohio and Mississippi respectively, that michigan basically lacks.

[bnk]

Yeah what they lack in major rivers is dwarfed by Michigan's shoreline on the 3 Great Lakes they bounder.

3,224 mi (5,189 km)

BTW Michigan has the most or if not the most than a strong second to the number of registered boats in the USA of any state.










And since we are talking Great Lake States, MN which does not have a very expansive shoreline with Lake Superior if you added up all of their 100,000's of lakes and rivers has more shoreline than California, Florida and Hawaii combined. I know that sounds just insane but here is how it was measured.

https://www.chrisfinke.com/2013/12/30/does-minnesota-really-have-more-shoreline-than-california/

Just Shoreline Ocean and Lakes

California Shoreline vs. Minnesota Shoreline

Ocean
Lakes
Total

California

3,427
32,050
35,477

Minnesota
0
44,926
44,926



California, Hawaii, and Florida Shoreline vs. Minnesota Shoreline, including Rivers

Ocean
Lakes
Rivers
Total

California

3,427
32,050
59,328
94,805

Hawaii

1,052
229
20,160
21,441

Florida
8,436
22,236
22,000
52,672


CA + HI + FL

12,915
54,515
101,488
168,918


Minnesota

0
44,926
138,400
183,326

So yes, Minnesota DOES have more shoreline than California, Hawaii, and Florida combined, but only if you consider rivers and streams.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Docere

Question: Overall, is Michigan more similar to Ohio or Wisconsin? I guess it depends on whether you emphasize geography or population.

Geography definitely Wisconsin. Population definitely Ohio.

A majority of Michigan's population resides within Detroit's CSA. Most of the northern half of the state is almost empty (though not Northern Ontario empty).

Culturally Detroit is the same as Toledo and very similar to Cleveland. Michigan has much less Appalachian influence than Ohio, though, and Cincy is culturally distinct from anything in MI.

[bnk]

And boat registration numbers in the USA.

Of the Top 11 registered boat states the Great Lakes States takes 6 of them.






http://www.discoverboating.com/resources/article.aspx?id=122



State Rankings

The top 20 states for registered boats recorded almost 75 percent of the total amount in the entire country, accounting for 9.7 million boats. The top ten states for boat registrations account for 52 percent of registered boats at 6.8 million.

After years on top, Michigan concedes its title as the number one boating state in the country to California, whose residents registered 1,051,606 recreational boats in 2002. Michigan is the second largest state, with a little more than 1,000,000 boats registered. Mississippi rounds out the top 20, falling from 16 th place, with 100,000 fewer boats registered in 2002.
Other changes in the top 20 rankings:

Wisconsin claims the number five spot from Texas, which moves down to number six.

Illinois is now ranked ninth; South Carolina falls to number ten.

...






Here’s a quick look at the top 11 states and the total number of boats registered in each:

1. California 1,051,606
2. Michigan 1,000,337
3. Florida 922,597
4. Minnesota 834,974
5. Wisconsin 650,280
6. Texas 624,390
7. New York 529,732
8. Ohio 413,276
9. Illinois 398,431
10. South Carolina 383,971
11. Pennsylvania 357,729



Regional Rankings

Regional rankings remained consistent with the 2001 report, with the Eastern North Central region ( Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin) holding on to the number one spot with 2.7 million boats, accounting for one out of every five boats registered in the country.

The South Atlantic region (Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North and South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia) follows closely with 2.5 million registered boats.

Three regions experienced significant increases in registrations during 2002 while one showed a decline in the number of boats registered.
Regions with increases:

Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 6.4 percent
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 3.8 percent
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 2.0 percent

Region with decrease:

East South Central (Al, KY, MS, TN) -9.6 percent




...







Data compiled by Statistical Surveys, Inc. on new powerboat registrations for 44 of the 50 states (representing approximately 96 percent of the marketplace)

[Docere]

As a non-boat owner, I'm curious: would they be registered in the state where the boat is used or under the owner's primary residence?

I know a lot of people in Chicagoland vacation in Michigan and Wisconsin for example - if they keep their boat in a marina in Wisconsin say is that a "Wisconsin" boat or an "Illinois" boat?

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Also, the northern parts of the Great Lakes aren't "virgin". The Bruce Peninsula might look "untouched" but those aren't old-growth trees. The Great Lakes have been used as giant tree farms for a couple of centuries now, and everything you see now is pretty recent (and much of Up North was barren of trees 100 years ago).

The Bruce Peninsula is actually home to some stands of centuries-old cedars, and there are others in various places along the Niagara Escarpment. They tend to be growing on rocky cliffsides, and thus have survived where others, in more convenient places for logging, haven't.

The oldest are over a millennium old, and overall the region contains some of the oldest Canadian trees in the eastern part of the country.

http://www.lfpress.com/2017/10/13/ontarios-oldest-tree-discovered-by-accident

http://www.escarpmentfund.ca/escarpment-hosts-ancient-eastern-white-cedars/

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-...in-north-america-without-anyone-noticing

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Crawford

Geography definitely Wisconsin. Population definitely Ohio.

A majority of Michigan's population resides within Detroit's CSA. Most of the northern half of the state is almost empty (though not Northern Ontario empty).

Culturally Detroit is the same as Toledo and very similar to Cleveland. Michigan has much less Appalachian influence than Ohio, though, and Cincy is culturally distinct from anything in MI.

although they both share the car culture, otherwise cle has more in common culturally with buffalo and pitts than detroit. even toledo is very distinct from detroit.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

although they both share the car culture, otherwise cle has more in common culturally with buffalo and pitts than detroit. even toledo is very distinct from detroit.

How?

[Razor]

re: boat licensees..That's wild reading how high the stat is for ownership is in Michigan.
This explains why I've seen so many Michigan plates with fishing boats rolling into town while growing up in Northern Ontario. Ohio was probably a strong second place in my neck of the woods. This is of course if this has been a fairly historical trend..ha