YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 629

LeftCoaster · #**12561** Posted **Feb 8, 2018, 11:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I was trying to find an old article where the CEO of Asiana had highlighted a very short list of most likely / potential new destinations and YVR was mentioned second. That was about 5 years ago before the SFO crash though. They were reportedly looking around for ground handlers, catering etc.

That new article, in the Korea Herald above, mentioned something about introducing A380s in April along with A350s. Pretty sure their A380s have been fully deployed and like most airlines aren't getting any more. Anyway, I'm sure they are still looking at YVR and YVR would be on their radar but who knows. Again, as mentioned in a recent post of mine, it's equipment like the 787s and 350s that have opened up many opportunities for more YVR routes and new airlines.

Haha ya the article had several errors, but it seems to be legit as there were several other articles all corroborating. No idea why I chose that one to link.

Does seem like a great time for Asiana to launch though, maybe summer 19?

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not a huge deal but... AC YVR-MEX is being moved back to mainline next summer. More comfy ride for the 5 1/2 hour flight.

Right move to remain competitive, but it looks like its a straight 319 rouge to 319 mainline swap so a decrease in overall seats.

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Originally Posted by nname

YVR-CAN will be up-gauge to a 77W in the summer.

That's huge! I assume this will be only for the daily terminator service and the 787 will continue to run the 3xPW CAN-YVR-MEX?

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

YYZ-MEX is still being operated by Rouge this summer. On the 767 too from what I see.

Using a 767 during the summer for Mexico City? That's a terrible utilization of a rouge 767 during the peak demand for that frame.

excel · #**12562** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 12:17 AM**

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The Government of Brazil’s recent decision to relax the visa application process for Canadian travellers is expected to lead to new direct flight routes between major Brazilian destinations and some of Canada’s largest cities.

A source in the aviation industry who wished to remain anonymous told Daily Hive at least one Canadian airline is expected to launch a new service between Vancouver International Airport (YVR) and Rio de Janeiro or possibly Sao Paulo. The individual described such a service as “imminent”.

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-brazil-flights-expected-future

thenoflyzone · #**12563** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by CareerShow

Thank goodness. I would speculate a lot of traffic on this Mexico route is actually premium........and the Rouge product just wasn't up to snuff.

That's one possibility.

Several other possible reasons for the change:

1. AC might need that Rouge A319 frame elsewhere. (remember, they are maxed out at Rouge with 50 aircraft, and they are launching routes like YUL-YYJ, YYZ-YKA and YYZ-YCD this summer). However, YVR-MEX goes mainline on May 1, and those routes will begin around June 21/22.

2. The AC A319 has 16 less seats than the Rouge A319, so could be a sign the competition is affecting loads.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Using a 767 during the summer for Mexico City? That's a terrible utilization of a rouge 767 during the peak demand for that frame.

AC1980/1981

YYZ0840-1220MEX1345-1915YYZ

They can still operate a run to Europe leaving YYZ late evening with that frame (ex. to BUD or BCN). It's far from terrible. Quite the contrary, actually.

They do something similar with YYZ-LAS-YYZ.

CareerShow · #**12564** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 1:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I'll be testing out ICN-YVR on AC this summer.

787 Inbound YVR-NRT (JL)
787 Outbound KIX-ICN-YVR (AC)

It'll be nice to compare the two... I don't have high expectations of service for the outbound trip... but it was a better option than KIX-YVR direct on rouge.

JAL should be great. Best economy class product long haul along with ANA, Cathay, Singapore, and EVA in my opinion. 2-4-2 seating and 70 less seats than AC on the 788.

LeftCoaster · #**12565** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-brazil-flights-expected-future

Hmm it's Dailyhive so i'll take it with a grain of salt, but they certainly have piqued my interest!

Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

They can still operate a run to Europe leaving YYZ late evening with that frame (ex. to BUD or BCN). It's far from terrible. Quite the contrary, actually.

They do something similar with YYZ-LAS-YYZ.

If they can't double turn a 767 to Europe then ya that makes a lot of sense, good point.

trofirhen · #**12566** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 2:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-brazil-flights-expected-future

Brazil. (and elsewhere in South America). Oh how I wish ..... if YVR gets that, I'll feel like a kid on Christmas morning.
It would be great for YVR itself, ... and what a connecting hub YVR would be!!

Johnny Aussie · #**12567** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 5:47 AM**

Imminent huh?

Will wait and see!

But look what happened with MEX as soon as the Mexican visa was relaxed.

LIM, GRU and PTY may all be on the horizon.

5 years ago the Vancouver based consulting firm, InterVistas (a former client of mine!), published a report commissioned by the Alberta government. It turns out the YVR-Brazil market is surprisingly large... that was five years ago.

I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before YVR is directly linked again to South America.

Excellent to see this thread is garnering a lot of attention again.

I still believe the AC move to change MEX to mainline is a factor of requiring more premium seats. Lower overall capacity but more premium seating.

With all the buzz about... YVR may attract even more new services in 2018 above and beyond already announced.

Klazu · #**12568** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 3:10 PM**

Does YVR have any lounge that people flying First on Delta can use? It was unclear based on their website.

casper · #**12569** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 3:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

Does YVR have any lounge that people flying First on Delta can use? It was unclear based on their website.

I think the only lounges in the trans boarder area is the Air Canada maple leaf lounge and the Plaza Premium lounge. Maple leaf is out and Plaza Premium is a pay lounge. I get in through an Amex Platinum card, not certain how much it costs otherwise.

The International gate area has a Skyteam lounge, but not accessible from the transboarder area.

Klazu · #**12570** Posted **Feb 9, 2018, 5:46 PM**

That's what I figured. Oh well, perhaps in Seattle then.

trofirhen · #**12571** Posted **Feb 10, 2018, 2:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by excel

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-to-brazil-flights-expected-future

No, I'm not talking among airlines, for example Westjet vs Avianca Brazil. ...
I'm talking about SEA. Would they try the same thing, and have as much success with it as vancouver would / could? IMO it's important that YVR
remain international top dog in this city pair. Any ideas or replies welcome.

Johnny Aussie · #**12572** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 4:58 AM**

This has never happened before but I was checking to see if UA was adding its third daily flight to DEN this summer... it was literally being loaded as I was checking... I had checked second weekend of July, the third flight was there. Then I checked the first week of July and it wasn't there. Checked the second and third week's again.. third flight was there. Checked the first week again and *POOF* Like magic it was there.

So UA will now be at 17 daily this summer - 14 mainline. Up 1 daily from last summer with the second daily LAX being added. 18 flights on Saturdays (15 mainline). That would have to be the largest mainline operation of an US carrier at any Canadian airport.

SpongeG · #**12573** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 7:54 PM**

I saw a Flair air plane at YVR yesterday, How long ago did they start flying into YVR instead of Abbotsford? or in addition to.

excel · #**12574** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 8:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

I saw a Flair air plane at YVR yesterday, How long ago did they start flying into YVR instead of Abbotsford? or in addition to.

They have been flying into YVR since December 15 with flights to YLW, YEG and YYZ (1 stop).

thenoflyzone · #**12575** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 11:11 PM**

Interesting discusssions about a potential YVR-GRU over on airliners. Dont know if it's one of you guys that started it.....

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1386117&p=20168443#p20168443

SpongeG · #**12576** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by excel

They have been flying into YVR since December 15 with flights to YLW, YEG and YYZ (1 stop).

oh ok, I hadn't seen one before but i guess I've only used the airport twice since mid december.

mezzanine · #**12577** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 12:06 AM**

WRT YVR-GRU/south america, if it does come to pass and AC really can't make the numbers work, it would be interesting to see what plans CA has, especially if a new JV is coming soon between AC and CA.

Regardless of GRU, any new JV between air canada and air china i suspect will bring a lot of change for YVR.

libtard · #**12578** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 12:51 AM**

What is the plan for Templeton road and the large fields on it?

Johnny Aussie · #**12579** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 5:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

WRT YVR-GRU/south america, if it does come to pass and AC really can't make the numbers work, it would be interesting to see what plans CA has, especially if a new JV is coming soon between AC and CA.

Regardless of GRU, any new JV between air canada and air china i suspect will bring a lot of change for YVR.

YVR-PEK on CA is increasing to 11 weekly for the entire summer schedule this year.
EDIT: Actually YVR-PEK is going 11 weekly from beginning of April right through mid October.
I think with the YEG CA cargo route postponed/cancelled there may be a couple more weekly frequencies come available. However, they may be holding those in case they wish to restart the cargo route. Or maybe start a YVR one

trofirhen · #**12580** Posted **Feb 13, 2018, 8:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

WRT YVR-GRU/south america, if it does come to pass and AC really can't make the numbers work, it would be interesting to see what plans CA has, especially if a new JV is coming soon between AC and CA.

Regardless of GRU, any new JV between air canada and air china i suspect will bring a lot of change for YVR.

What kind of changes do you have in mind, please? Could you give one or two hypothetical examples?