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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 7:31 PM
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^ Steak houses suck and I'm surprised anyone considers them fine dining. They are almost always just a massive rip off. Most seem completely unable to grill/cook/broil a steak medium rare, including Ruth's Chris.
I don't know:

Beyond steak

https://www.alexanderssteakhouse.com/sanfrancisco/

This place came out #3 in the "expensive" caegory in the SF Business Times list of "25 Highest Yelp-ranked Restaurants in the Bay Area"
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 7:41 PM
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Many of us on this forum are urbanites, and live in quite modest spaces, but let's not pretend for a moment that any of us wouldn't buy a 30,000 square foot apartment if we could.

I can think of plenty of things to do with that space, from a gym, to a home cinema, to a wine cellar the size of my current apartment.
I live in a 3,000 square foot house and we barely use half of what we have here. I could not imagine having 10x that space. There would be months I wouldn't visit most rooms and would forget they're even there.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 8:46 PM
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That's what I was thinking earlier this morning after looking up his net worth. For me, the best part about having $115.8 billion would be figuring out how to put it toward the greater good (I'd start with extending the Purple Line to Santa Monica). One could pretty much buy all the homes, yachts, and luxury items they ever wanted with a net worth of *just* $1 billion. What the hell do you do with the rest?
Yep. Ive often day dreamed of having like 100 billion and donating like 20 billion to a city like Austin for transport and other government functions(police, schools etc) and then putting like 20 billion in for urban buildings....what an impact that could make....

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 8:58 PM
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I live in a 3,000 square foot house and we barely use half of what we have here. I could not imagine having 10x that space. There would be months I wouldn't visit most rooms and would forget they're even there.
30,000 sq ft is probably excessive, but I've seen 10,000 sq ft floor plans that didn't seem unreasonable.

It's about the size of the rooms, too. Big entertaining spaces, galleries, etc. Extra bedrooms are not unreasonable, if you have friends and family stay. A live in nanny requires a studio apartment of their own.

Plus I'm a pretty keen cook, and my dream house would actually have two kitchens (one a typical, open "family" kitchen, and a separate professional kitchen built for function rather than aesthetics).

This place is about 6,500 square feet and the kitchen is entirely too small:
https://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/18-gramercy-park-south-ph-manhattan-cdwolau

And this one at about 7,500 square feet doesn't seem over the top at all:
https://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/polhemus-94-amity-street-brooklyn-xwqyvzz

Add a gym with a pool and a wine cellar, and you're probably pushing 10,000 square feet.

Sure I'd be very happy with this (not that it's likely to ever be in the cards), but what happens if you have more than 6 people for dinner?
https://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/the-esquire-building-330-wythe-avenue-3j-brooklyn-rerhrge


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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 10:09 PM
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This place is about 6,500 square feet and the kitchen is entirely too small:
https://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/18-gramercy-park-south-ph-manhattan-cdwolau
Price: $46,500,000
Monthly Maintenance/CC: $14,024
Monthly Real Estate Tax: $10,933




In addition to a $36 million mortgage (if you only put 10% down)...you have to shell out an additional $24,000 per month.
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I can envision a giant bureaucratic nightmare if Toronto is chosen. Mobility of talent doesn't flow smoothly across international borders. Why add the legal fees, frustration, and time in securing visas for potentially thousands of employees? Toronto is a great city (full disclosure: I have dual citizenship with Canada and the U.S.), but Canada does not have the talent pool available at this scale. Plus many/most Americans might have issues with real winter.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 11:38 PM
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I can envision a giant bureaucratic nightmare if Toronto is chosen. Mobility of talent doesn't flow smoothly across international borders. Why add the legal fees, frustration, and time in securing visas for potentially thousands of employees? Toronto is a great city (full disclosure: I have dual citizenship with Canada and the U.S.), but Canada does not have the talent pool available at this scale. Plus many/most Americans might have issues with real winter.
Tech workers in the U.S. are disproportionately foreign-born. If Amazon chooses Toronto then it would certainly be done as a hedge against the U.S. implementing an even more arduous visa process for highly-skilled workers than already exists. And it's already pretty f-in arduous.

I'm a U.S. citizen but I have been completely shocked at seeing what many of my coworkers go through in the H1b process. This year was even more ridiculous than in recent years because the Trump administration scrutinized a large percentage of the visas that were awarded, which in many cases required those workers to go on leave from their jobs during the process. A number of my colleagues were subject to the secondary review and it was extremely disruptive to the business for them to be out for weeks to months during the review.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2018, 11:43 PM
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I can envision a giant bureaucratic nightmare if Toronto is chosen. Mobility of talent doesn't flow smoothly across international borders. Why add the legal fees, frustration, and time in securing visas for potentially thousands of employees? Toronto is a great city (full disclosure: I have dual citizenship with Canada and the U.S.), but Canada does not have the talent pool available at this scale. Plus many/most Americans might have issues with real winter.
Ummm.

Under the Global Talent Stream program, Canada processes a visa in 2 weeks flat.

There's no cap on the number of visas under the program either.

Its regularly used and let's not go too far and say hassle-free; but.....as minimum hassle as one can imagine.

PS.

Toronto has more tech graduates than any other jurisdiction in North American except California.

It has a huge tech workforce, which already is #6 in absolute size in North America; and on pace to be #2 within 3 years.

https://techvibes.com/2017/07/20/toronto-is-the-fastest-growing-tech-market-in-north-america
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 12:51 AM
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And this one at about 7,500 square feet doesn't seem over the top at all:
https://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/polhemus-94-amity-street-brooklyn-xwqyvzz

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This is so over the top American. Take a 2500 square foot plan and make it into a 7,500 square foot plan. What is the appeal of a 600 plus square foot great room for the times you aren't hosting 40 people?

BTW, this is possibly the greatest thread since the Chicago vs Toronto days 20 years ago. What will people compare next?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 12:58 AM
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Shawn, to what extent do you think that Amazon can, by virtue of its presence, elevate the right host city (like a Boston or Chicago) into the global top tier of ad tech centers (thereby rendering that question somewhat moot)?

Or is it more like the example of Charlotte, which is at best a third tier financial center despite having Bank of America's HQ?

In other words, how much does the addition of one of the biggest fish move the needle in that industry/ecosystem?
Complex question. It comes down to how big of a presence overall media has in the market, not just ad tech. Let me explain.

Media owners are wholesale migrating to digital - this isn't new, we all have been aware of this for the past decade. But the movement has accelerated among the major glossies like Condé Nast and Hearst, and the major holding companies have finally accepted that over-the-top, non-linear delivery will be the norm moving forward. This means that traditional advertising revenue streams are drying up, while new ones are opening (non-live event TV rates are globally tanking, whereas digital premium video placements now go for $60-$70 CPM, which is 1000%+ price inflation over the past 5 years alone).

Tier 1 advertisers now tend to care about three things when it comes to digital media: is it premium? is it addressable? is it brand-safe? Premium meaning things like 100% 1st fold in-view (not 5 folds down) on a top portal or glossy site; Addressable meaning there is ad tech in place to allow granular segmentation and targeting; Brand-safe meaning the placements appear in context appropriate for the brand's image. If a media property can tick all three boxes, the price of this Goldilocks-zone media won't be a barrier to booking. This is because supply of this type of media is still relatively scarce, in any market.

Amazon sits in a pretty unique position. It is both a massive supplier and purchaser of Goldilocks digital media. Amazon has one of the most developed "stacks" in the industry - they have the most thorough set of addressable consumer-purchase data in the world for all the markets brands care about save China, which they make available to advertisers via their DMP (data management platform, which sorts, categorizes and segments user data), and they are on any given day one of the world's largest suppliers of digital inventory, which they pump into their own and other partner SSPs (supply-side platforms, which allow publishers to manage their media yield by setting floor and ceiling prices). Amazon is a large enough publisher to also have direct inventory deals with many of the world's largest DSPs (demand-side platforms, where advertisers go to buy placements based on segment and audience data crunched in the DMP). Amazon needs to work with the big DSPs to ensure it can hit as close to 100% run rate as possible (otherwise they're just leaving money on the table). And they can never own their own DSP, as the DSP functions as a price arbiter for all media, not just Amazon media. Meaning Amazon always will have to rely on third party partners to move a big part of their inventory.

The important thing to keep in mind is that Amazon (and Google / YouTube, and Facebook) all operate within the Agency-Media Rep framework. This means that Amazon will not go directly to a brand and strike a deal; instead, they go through the brand's media agency of record. Amazon doesn't have a direct deal with P&G - Amazon has an absolutely amazing deal with P&G via Omnicom. Unilever has an almost-as-awesome deal with Amazon via GroupM. And Amazon also works with both of these agencies on Amazon's behalf (meaning Amazon is the client) to better monetize their own properties and to meet their own marketing-communications strategies, especially in new markets where the OMDs and GroupM/WPPs of the world have been operating for 30+ years already.

So Amazon needs the big media owners and the big media agencies in order to work with the Tier 1 brands and their $billions in ad budgets. The ad tech makes up the entire delivery ecosystem for the most profitable part of Amazon's business, especially on the demand-side. But the "demand" here is largely gate-kept by agencies, and not unlike high finance, personal relationships between leadership among media owners and publishers, ad tech, and the agencies make or break where spend gets funneled.

So to answer your question: in most cases, Amazon would not elevate the HQ2 city into an ad tech center, because Amazon is just one admittedly big player in an even bigger field. GroupM, Omnicom, Interpublic, and/or Publicis are not going to up and leave New York City for wherever HQ2 goes. The ad tech giants like AppNexus, Pubmatic, Xaxis, or The Trade Desk aren't leaving New York or Boston either. None of the big media holding companies are leaving New York. The corporate media cluster in NYC exists for the same reason the finance cluster does. This is where the "Amazon hires from anywhere, the local talent pool doesn't matter" line doesn't gel with the reality I live every day: ad tech people are in extremely short supply. I have a bunch of open head counts now for both execution-level and manager-level positions, and the salaries are ridiculous - still cannot fill them, because of scarcity. People jump from one ad tech company to the next, doing the "agency dance": 1 year here, then negotiate a better salary at a competitor and move there for a year; reverse and repeat. Ad tech people don't move to a market where there's only one job option, even if it's as big as Amazon. New York, the Bay Area, and Boston are the three markets in the US where ad tech clusters exist, not just one company. New York is the only market where an ad tech cluster sits in many cases in the same building as the world's largest media owners and advertising brands.

And to your point, Charlotte didn't become a new finance cluster just because BOA moved there.
     
     
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I can envision a giant bureaucratic nightmare if Toronto is chosen. Mobility of talent doesn't flow smoothly across international borders. Why add the legal fees, frustration, and time in securing visas for potentially thousands of employees? Toronto is a great city (full disclosure: I have dual citizenship with Canada and the U.S.), but Canada does not have the talent pool available at this scale. Plus many/most Americans might have issues with real winter.
Canada makes immigration easier than the US.

What makes you think Americans would need to move there in sizable numbers?
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30,000 sq ft is probably excessive, but I've seen 10,000 sq ft floor plans that didn't seem unreasonable.
30,000 sq feet is excessive

Why not own 6 - 5,000 sqft homes around the nation?
     
     
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I've often wondered that too. What does one do with all that space? Sometimes I think these ultra-rich people buy huge mansions just because they can.
They buy a lot of houses because it’s less risk of losing it all if you spread your wealth out among different types of investments. Property is among the safest.
     
     
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To continue the OT discussion, the sweet spot in the luxury market seems to be in the 8-10,000sf range. I've designed numerous owner occupied or speculative luxury homes and your typical 4 bedroom suite house with formal living, formal dining, 1 kitchen, family room pencils out around 5,500sf (a little more if 2 story). Add a service kitchen, Library, gym, conservatory, kids family room, and home theater and you get to about 8,000sf. From there it's a matter of views and circulation. The pool is 9/10x exterior. The one house I've done with an indoor pool is in Alpine,NJ and that house is around 13 or 14k sf.

Once you push past that point your overall build costs start to get absolutely absurd. The most expensive build I've been involved in for a residence was around $25M for a renovation and expansion to a 17,000sf 1919 estate. That's almost $1500/sf just for the build. Very few people are in that market.
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I don't know:

Beyond steak

https://www.alexanderssteakhouse.com/sanfrancisco/

This place came out #3 in the "expensive" caegory in the SF Business Times list of "25 Highest Yelp-ranked Restaurants in the Bay Area"
seems they dont like beef that much
     
     
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Price: $46,500,000
Monthly Maintenance/CC: $14,024
Monthly Real Estate Tax: $10,933




In addition to a $36 million mortgage (if you only put 10% down)...you have to shell out an additional $24,000 per month.
If you are making 10 mil a month?
     
     
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30,000 sq feet is excessive

Why not own 6 - 5,000 sqft homes around the nation?
Because you can only use one at a time. That's even more frivolous.
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This is nonsense.

How does Chicago score as poorly as possible on "cost of living"?

That's objectively wrong.
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