YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Yes when WS starts MEX. YVR-MEX will have as many flights as YYZ-MEX.

AC doesn’t fly YUL-MEX daily either.

Remote stands have become a way of life here in MEL too. At least YVR is actually looking forward and not sideways as MEL really copes with its recent growth. The 4 contact gates doesn’t seem enough though does it? MEL is bursting at the seams without any definitive expansion plans despite talking about it over and over.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Remote stands have become a way of life here in MEL too. At least YVR is actually looking forward and not sideways as MEL really copes with its recent growth. The 4 contact gates doesn’t seem enough though does it? MEL is bursting at the seams without any definitive expansion plans despite talking about it over and over.

I think it should be fine as long as there are enough contact gates for night time departure and for winter season. It's probably quite wasteful to build all those gates and jet bridges that are only going to be used a couple of times a week at busiest time during the 3 summer months....

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Doesnt YVR has more non stop flights than YUL to MEX?

marginally, yes.

AM is 2x daily to each of YUL, YYZ, YVR as of summer 2017. They are daily to YYC. (AM, after abandoning Canada (YUL/YYZ) altogether in January 2010 due to visa requirements, re-launched YUL as its exclusive Canadian gateway from late 2010 to 2015. They relaunched YYZ and started YVR in 2015)

4O lauched YUL mid-July 2017 (3x weekly CUN/MEX), followed closely by YYZ (4x weekly CUN/MEX) at the end of July, and then in October launched YVR (4x weekly CUN/MEX).

AC is 2x daily on YYZ-MEX, daily on YVR-MEX, and resumed summer seasonal 4x weekly on YUL-MEX in 2015 (now year round).

WS will start 3x weekly YVR-MEX and 4x weekly YYC-MEX in march 2018.

So all 4 Canadian airports have seen tremendous MEX increases in the last few years, due to 1 thing mainly, lifting of visa restrictions.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes when WS starts MEX. YVR-MEX will have as many flights as YYZ-MEX.

AC is 2x daily (B763/A319) on YYZ-MEX and only daily A319 on YVR-MEX. Even with WS starting 3x weekly YVR-MEX, YYZ-MEX is still larger both by pax count and frequency.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

marginally, yes.
....

So all 4 Canadian airports have seen tremendous MEX increases in the last few years, due to 1 thing mainly, lifting of visa restrictions.
...
AC is 2x daily (B763/A319) on YYZ-MEX and only daily A319 on YVR-MEX. Even with WS starting 3x weekly YVR-MEX, YYZ-MEX is still larger both by pax count and frequency.

lol, it's like pulling teeth!

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

lol, it's like pulling teeth!

WS bumps both YVR and YYC to Daily 29 April year-Round. They start out in March with 3 weekly each.

YVR will then match YYZ for the number of weekly flights to MEX.

YVR 32
YYZ 32
YUL 21
YYC 14

AM is struggling with YYC though so not sure if that will last, especially when WS kicks off soon.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by nname

So, it went from "we do not need remote stand this summer" earlier this year to "expanded remote stand operation with two locations and four regular flights." Last year there was only two flights. I wonder what's changed since then...

I wonder if this means more flights to be announced? Unless there are some time shifts coming up it seems to indicate that there will be more demand at peak periods than previously expected.

Could be non-international flight announcements putting some swing gates out of availability as well.

Originally Posted by mezzanine

source

-full steam ahead for pier d, as with the new parking an utilities building.

So what I don't quite understand is are they still doing the half buildout of Pier D or are they doing the whole thing at once now?

If they are still looking to phase it that really leaves me scratching my head.

[Lancaster]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

So what I don't quite understand is are they still doing the half buildout of Pier D or are they doing the whole thing at once now?

If they are still looking to phase it that really leaves me scratching my head.

That drawing looks like there's a hammerhead at the end of Pier D. Would they not need to move the taxiway there then to make more gates fit?

[trofirhen]

What about Pier E? Willl that be extended too?
If so, will it be for Transborder departures, or is Transborder going into eastward Pier F East Concourse?

[Jebby]

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EDIT: NEVERMIND THIS WAS POSTED JANUARY 2017

For some reason I read the upload date as 2018...Sorry..

[Johnny Aussie]

A comparison was made between YVR and BNE a couple of years ago. Questioning why a city of similar size had a much busier airport than YVR. Both are relatively similarly located geographically in relation to their respective countries. I’m always the first to jump on comparisons based on city size alone.... but to put that to rest...

BNE had 22.2M pax in 2015 and 23.2M in 2017 up just over 1M
YVR had 20.3M pax in 2015 and 24.1M in 2017 up over 3.8M

[Sheba]

Bombardier wins unanimous vote at USITC

WASHINGTON - The U.S. International Trade Commission has ruled in favour of Montreal's Bombardier Inc. in a trade dispute with Chicago-based Boeing Co.

Commissioners voted unanimously that Boeing did not suffer harm from prospective imports of C Series commercial jets.

The ruling means the anti-dumping and countervailing duties totalling 292.21 per cent that were imposed by the U.S. Department of Commerce won't be applied.

Bombardier called the decision "a victory for innovation, competition, and the rule of law."

The Montreal-based company also says it is a victory for U.S. airlines and the American travelling public.

Bombardier says it will now move to finalize its partnership with Airbus SE.

Chicago-based Boeing says it is disappointed by the decision and will review the commission's detailed opinions when they are released in the coming days.

It says it will continue to document any harm to Boeing from illegal subsidies and dumping pricing.

Boeing launched the trade case last April, arguing that governments in Canada and Britain subsidized the plane's development and allowed Bombardier to sell it at unfairly low prices.

Bombardier stock shot up 16 per cent to $3.56 immediately after the ruling.

[SpongeG]

saw this on facebook, you could fly whitehorse to new york direct!

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Bombardier wins unanimous vote at USITC

Thank God all this bullshit is over. Boeing must be kicking itself in the nuts right now !

BTW, of the four commissioners at USITC who voted, 3 were nominated by President Barack Obama and 1 by George W. Bush.

https://www.usitc.gov/press_room/bios.htm

Common sense prevails, and Trump wasn't involved, cause he has none !

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Thank God all this bullshit is over. Boeing must be kicking itself in the nuts right now !

BTW, of the four commissioners at USITC who voted, 3 were nominated by President Barack Obama and 1 by George W. Bush.

https://www.usitc.gov/press_room/bios.htm

Common sense prevails, and Trump wasn't involved, cause he has none !

Doubt this will have any material effect on Boeing, it was worth a shot and they gambled and lost. The company's financial performance has been superb the last year, up over 100%, which implies the market doesn't seem to think this bodes overly horribly for the company's future financial outlook.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Doubt this will have any material effect on Boeing, it was worth a shot and they gambled and lost. The company's financial performance has been superb the last year, up over 100%, which implies the market doesn't seem to think this bodes overly horribly for the company's future financial outlook.

Whatever the case, their plan backfired, and that has repercussions, big or small. Canada already scraped the F-18 deal, worth over $6 billion. They pissed off the UK. They pissed off Delta, and that might have repercussions for future orders as well.

In essence, their complaint helped forge the deal between BBD and Airbus, solidifying Airbus's footprint in North America in the process.

Also, Boeing wouldn't have launched their outreach campaign to Canada if they didn't feel this was negatively impacting their image abroad.

[Lancaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Whatever the case, their plan backfired, and that has repercussions, big or small. Canada already scraped the F-18 deal, worth over $6 billion. They pissed off the UK. They pissed off Delta, and that might have repercussions for future orders as well.

In essence, their complaint helped forge the deal between BBD and Airbus, solidifying Airbus's footprint in North America in the process.

Also, Boeing wouldn't have launched their outreach campaign to Canada if they didn't feel this was negatively impacting their image abroad.

Pretty confident this hurt Bombardier more than it did Boeing. Airbus was already solidified in the US long before all of this. It basically paralyzed the CSeries program and loomed large over it for the entire duration of the dispute. Either way mission accomplished for Boeing.

[CareerShow]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Whatever the case, their plan backfired, and that has repercussions, big or small. Canada already scraped the F-18 deal, worth over $6 billion. They pissed off the UK. They pissed off Delta, and that might have repercussions for future orders as well.

In essence, their complaint helped forge the deal between BBD and Airbus, solidifying Airbus's footprint in North America in the process.

Also, Boeing wouldn't have launched their outreach campaign to Canada if they didn't feel this was negatively impacting their image abroad.

The Canadian government pulling the deal is rediculius since Canada will now be buying borderline unusable planes for billions which will just have to be replaced in the near future anyways. I doubt this will really deter delta from ordering in the future. With regards to the c series and Airbus, I don't recall one current order which has involved a mix of aircrafts. And Boeing is in talks to acquire embraer which would give the company an even greater step up over Airbus as they would fully be involved in the regional jet industry, not to mention the consolidation of the business jet industry

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

The Canadian government pulling the deal is rediculius since Canada will now be buying borderline unusable planes for billions which will just have to be replaced in the near future anyways. I doubt this will really deter delta from ordering in the future. With regards to the c series and Airbus, I don't recall one current order which has involved a mix of aircrafts. And Boeing is in talks to acquire embraer which would give the company an even greater step up over Airbus as they would fully be involved in the regional jet industry, not to mention the consolidation of the business jet industry

The Australian F-18s is another matter.

Boeing buying Embraer is nothing more than a retaliation towards BBD/Airbus. It's not a strong move if you ask me, as it is by no means a home run scenario for them, unlike the Airbus/BBD linkup, which benefits both players immensely.

The E175-E2 sales are suffering due to ongoing US scope clauses. So those planes aren't selling in Embraer's most important market, the US, which is why they have delayed service entry of that type until 2021.

Airlines who own the E190, seen as eventual buyers of the E190-E2, are dumping their planes in favor of the CSeries. (Air Canada is an example, Jetblue might be another, as they have delayed their decision of getting rid of the E190s, probably waiting for the USITC ruling). Delta was supposed to get the used AC E190s, and decided to go with the CSeries as well. AA will dump 20 E190s by 2019. Clearly, Embraer has issues of it's own to deal with.

As for mixed orders, the tie-up just happened. With the duties/tarrifs looming, no North American carrier was going to order the CSeries. Now that the duties/tarrifs are a thing of the past, i fully expect airlines like JetBlue to seriously consider the CSeries as replacement for their 100 seat planes. Mixed aircraft orders are extremely likely for an airline like them.

So again, I don't think Boeing really wants Embraer, but was rather forced into that corner by Airbus/BBD. Either way, they are definitely worse off now than before their complaint was filed.

Originally Posted by CareerShow

I doubt this will really deter delta from ordering in the future.

They already dealt Boeing a heavy blow with a 100 Airbus plane order last month. Ed Bastian is a tough guy and was vocal about his spat with Boeing. Orders like this in the future would not surprise me, especially if Ed will stick around at DL for the long haul. I definitely see them topping up their A350 order before going the way of the dreamliner.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-rel...-order-for-100-a321neo-acf-aircraft.html

Originally Posted by Lancaster

Pretty confident this hurt Bombardier more than it did Boeing. Airbus was already solidified in the US long before all of this. It basically paralyzed the CSeries program and loomed large over it for the entire duration of the dispute. Either way mission accomplished for Boeing.

Boeing simply delayed American carriers ordering the CSeries. Nothing more. JetBlue delayed their E190 replacement. They didn't go ahead and order Boeing. So its not like they shut the CSeries program down. If anything, they helped the program get a new lifeline. Yes, mission accomplished indeed....

As i said, Boeing is definitely worse off now than before their complaint was filed. Yes, this whole scenario wasn't pleasant for BBD, but now that it's over, they have a chance to flourish when CSeries sales pick up (and they will). Boeing's future in the 100-150 seat segment looks unclear, for all the reasons mentioned above, plus the fact that their own Max 7 isn't selling well at all, with only 63 orders.

Airbus, on the other hand, took care of their A319neo sale problems, by means of acquiring the CSeries.

Boeing is scratching itself in the head right now, thinking about where they went wrong. They left billions on the table (Canada F-18s, Delta order, most likely future orders as well). Dumb move.

They should have partnered up with BBD, or built their own 100-150 seat plane. Now, that market seems firmly in the hands of Airbus/BBD.

[trofirhen]

Craig Richmond gave an interesting speech about the blasting increase in pax numbers, naturally, a discussion of remote stands and other growth issues.
He seemed particulary interested, if not rather pre-occupied, with getting South America routes. He cited the necessity to liminate visas as was done with Mexico, and to renogotiate bilaterls allowing SA-YVR nonstops (à la YYZ) so South American flights are definitely part of the overall YVR game plan, it seems.
If AC defintelely does not want to start SA services to YVR (&vice versa) and if only a rouge to Lima as with YUL, may be offered, is it not possible that this is to protect YYZ yields?
If the feds (and let's face it, AC and that agreement between AC and the GTAA is still their baby) want to protect YYZ-AC revenues to SA, it'll show up in the next round of renegotaitions.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

A comparison was made between YVR and BNE a couple of years ago. Questioning why a city of similar size had a much busier airport than YVR. Both are relatively similarly located geographically in relation to their respective countries. I’m always the first to jump on comparisons based on city size alone.... but to put that to rest...

BNE had 22.2M pax in 2015 and 23.2M in 2017 up just over 1M
YVR had 20.3M pax in 2015 and 24.1M in 2017 up over 3.8M

YVR has indeed had more spectacular increases than BNE. Yet I don't think BNE is quite as "world-connected" as Vancouver.
I still cannot understand the very (in comparison) high levels there. Is more inter-city travel done by plane than by bus or train in Australia?
Could I ask for an insight? Thank you.