Calgary Construction XXVI

[Deepstar]

First off why are you trying to show a better context if where it is? Just because you don’t think it’s a nice area doesn’t make it OK to just go ahead and build a skyscraper in the middle of a neighbourhood. I’m not sure which neighbourhood you live in, but many people think of Panorama Hills and Tuscany as a wasteland, are you okay with putting a 39 floor tower in one of those neighbourhoods? What I see here are a lot of people who are totally fine with a tall building going up in someone else’s neighbourhood but are clueless as to its effect.

Originally Posted by shreddog

Wow, what a contrived set of reasons to be against this project. First off, here is a better context view of where it is planned:

Definitely not the "heart of Inglewood".

Secondly, the CA is worried about "... traffic concerns during the construction of the proposed building, which would have trucks driving near Piitoayis Family School ...". The only way that trucks would drive by the school is if they are lost. Plus, there is one of the largest truck stops in the city that support 100's of transport trucks a day RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the school.

Then she says she is concerned that "... shadowing is not something we consider to be minimal,". Shadowing on whom? Drivers on Blackfoot Trail??

I believe that the proposed location is at the red sigh above the white van beside the hydro pole in this view.

Anyway, at first blush this seems like a good place for a taller building. While I don't like the design and the interaction with the street (blah!), I support the density and placement. If someone proposes a building like this (with a nicer design) on Centre St near 24th Ave, I'd still support it.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

That argument makes no sense whatever. Arenas always cause public debate because there are more of a central building, central to the whole city.

Let’s try looking at this in an intelligent way, let’s build a 20 story tower in your neighbourhood and see how you like it. Hey, I would love it, so I guess you’re OK with me and other people around the city advicating 20 story tower building your neighbourhood? Don’t bother answering that because I already know the answer is no. That about ends that argument.

Actually he is right, you should only comment on your own particular neighbourhood if you are going to whine like this whenever someone comments on a proposal in Inglewood.

Originally Posted by Deepstar

First off why are you trying to show a better context if where it is? Just because you don’t think it’s a nice area doesn’t make it OK to just go ahead and build a skyscraper in the middle of a neighbourhood. I’m not sure which neighbourhood you live in, but many people think of Panorama Hills and Tuscany as a wasteland, are you okay with putting a 39 floor tower in one of those neighbourhoods? What I see here are a lot of people who are totally fine with a tall building going up in someone else’s neighbourhood but are clueless as to its effect.

My $0.02 is that this is an area that is about to see some major urban renewal, so likening it to the suburbs is a bit off base. Now, I think this is a bit much to go for right off the bat, but this area will see more urban type development in the not too distant future. If this was something similar to the condos to the north of 17th, I would be all for it. The end goal should be to have towers in this area, but the community needs to be eased into it first.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

That argument makes no sense whatever. Arenas always cause public debate because there are more of a central building, central to the whole city.

Let’s try looking at this in an intelligent way, let’s build a 20 story tower in your neighbourhood and see how you like it. Hey, I would love it, so I guess you’re OK with me and other people around the city advicating 20 story tower building your neighbourhood? Don’t bother answering that because I already know the answer is no. That about ends that argument.

I'd love a 20 story tower in my community. I guess that makes sense though seeing as this is a skyscraper forum.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by shreddog

While I don't like the design and the interaction with the street (blah!), I support the density and placement.

I suspect that both of those will be modified and it will get built.

which would have trucks driving near Piitoayis Family School ...". The only way that trucks would drive by the school is if they are lost.

Maybe, the proposed traffic configuration for once the building is complete is that all traffic will use 7th avenue, so traffic to and from the site will take this route, through the school zone.



Whether that is also true for construction or if a temporary road is built from 19th street, I don't know.

[ST1]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

I'd love a 20 story tower in my community. I guess that makes sense though seeing as this is a skyscraper forum.

Yeah right. That is until someone actually wants to build a 20 story tower in your neighborhood.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Actually he is right, you should only comment on your own particular neighbourhood if you are going to whine like this whenever someone comments on a proposal in Inglewood.


My $0.02 is that this is an area that is about to see some major urban renewal, so likening it to the suburbs is a bit off base. Now, I think this is a bit much to go for right off the bat, but this area will see more urban type development in the not too distant future. If this was something similar to the condos to the north of 17th, I would be all for it. The end goal should be to have towers in this area, but the community needs to be eased into it first.

Those are far more appropriate imho.

[DizzyEdge]

I think this proposed development is actually very important, as it may set the tone for the rest of future building in that large central area, so getting it right is key.

[Daemon]

Waterfront place from this morning. I’m doing new angle.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Tobyoby

Another person not from the neighborhood who thinks he knows what's best for Inglewood. Of course it's no concern of yours - you don't live there.

Sorry, why does someone need to live in a given community to know what's best for said community?

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Sorry, why does someone need to live in a given community to know what's best for said community?

As soon as you disagree with someone from said community, your opinion is invalid... lol

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

Those are far more appropriate imho.

I look at this proposal as going for a hail mary on the first play of the game, just is too much too fast.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Deepstar

First off why are you trying to show a better context if where it is? Just because you don’t think it’s a nice area doesn’t make it OK to just go ahead and build a skyscraper in the middle of a neighbourhood. I’m not sure which neighbourhood you live in, but many people think of Panorama Hills and Tuscany as a wasteland, are you okay with putting a 39 floor tower in one of those neighbourhoods? What I see here are a lot of people who are totally fine with a tall building going up in someone else’s neighbourhood but are clueless as to its effect.

This is the exact opposite of the middle of the neighbourhood. This is on the absolute fringe and it's right next to the river and across the street from high density condos on one side and a truck stop on the other. No neighbours can claim to be adversely affected.

As for the Panorama and Tuscany comment I live in Auburn Bay and would be totally fine with something like this being built in the place of the shitty wood frame condos going up everywhere.

Edit: The massing study / rendering looks pretty shitty at this point but that's to be expected. I think they ultimately will build shorter but are starting with this height as a negotiating tactic to get more than 6 floors. It's not perfect but the histrionics about it destroying the neighbourhood are ridiculous.

[DizzyEdge]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

I look at this proposal as going for a hail mary on the first play of the game, just is too much too fast.

Yep, or simply wanting 10 but going for 20, so that the community will be relieved to accept 10 (rather than the 6 the ARP specifies).

I think the kinds of development we saw on 1st Avenue NE in Bridgeland is the sort that should be build here and on most of the truck stop site, maybe with a tower directly north of the truck stop.

Maybe something like this:

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by ST1

Yeah right. That is until someone actually wants to build a 20 story tower in your neighborhood.

I live across the street from the south health campus and wish it were taller. I'm not a NIMBY.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

I look at this proposal as going for a hail mary on the first play of the game, just is too much too fast.

I have a feeling there's more to this objection than height. Does anyone know if this is going to be a rental tower?

[milomilo]

Originally Posted by X_ting_on

Obviously height is the issue. The comment about the phallic shape being an issue might be something she has an issue with I don’t know.

Why is the height a problem? What will this tower's height do to you that will have a negative impact on your life? You just don't like the look of it?

The only reasons a a tower's height would be a problem is if it blocks views or overshadows people. This is not the case in this example, and those are weak/irrelevant reasons to block a project anyway.

[DizzyEdge]

Oh also, the developer has hired a consulting group to do the talking for them, they want to remain anonymous, so that doesn't help either.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

I have a feeling there's more to this objection than height. Does anyone know if this is going to be a rental tower?

Here we go...

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by shreddog

Wow, what a contrived set of reasons to be against this project. First off, here is a better context view of where it is planned:

Definitely not the "heart of Inglewood".

Secondly, the CA is worried about "... traffic concerns during the construction of the proposed building, which would have trucks driving near Piitoayis Family School ...". The only way that trucks would drive by the school is if they are lost. Plus, there is one of the largest truck stops in the city that support 100's of transport trucks a day RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the school.

Then she says she is concerned that "... shadowing is not something we consider to be minimal,". Shadowing on whom? Drivers on Blackfoot Trail??

I believe that the proposed location is at the red sigh above the white van beside the hydro pole in this view.

Anyway, at first blush this seems like a good place for a taller building. While I don't like the design and the interaction with the street (blah!), I support the density and placement. If someone proposes a building like this (with a nicer design) on Centre St near 24th Ave, I'd still support it.

those would have some nice views and is a good spot perfect size for that spot would stick out but it would build on whats around there now and incurge more of the smaller stuff to i bet

o wasnt there a 80 story building proposal back in here 8 yrs ago?

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Here we go...

What are you trying to imply?