YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I read a few pages back that frequencies are being reduced. But I suppose that was talking about how it was rouged ( which is better than it was before... which was... non-existent )

Oh that. Yes, KIX being wound back from 7 to 6 weekly next summer. For minor adjustments like that airlines don’t normally issue press releases.
NGO also being wound back by one weekly.
These were to facilitate the increase in DUB from 3 to 5 weekly.
Imagine that!? AC adding flights to Europe at Asia’s expense!
AC’s international expansion next summer out of YVR is mainly to Europe:
LHR second daily
CDG new 4 weekly
ZRH new 3 weekly
DUB increasing from 3 to 5 weekly on rouge
Daily 788 to FRA stays the same

YVR is just so poorly served to Europe... nonstop service to only 11 cities... I thought it was all about China.

And then of course adding the year round MEL service too.

Asia pretty much a wash with PVG going to a daily 77W covers the loss of the two weekly rouge to KIX/NGO.

[Johnny Aussie]

Vancouver set to reap the benefits of a record convention year.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-gears-up-for-its-busiest-convention-year-ever

Great article by the Vancouver Sun indicates Vancouver’s ever growing global
awareness.

No doubt it’s events like these that will continue to boost YVR’s numbers both domestically and internationally.

A telling quote from that article:

“Vancouver’s global reputation as a place to do business, to gather, to be inspired and to hold major events and conferences is moving from strength to strength,” said Ty Speer, president and CEO, Tourism Vancouver. “Not only has Vancouver demonstrated that we have the experience, the world-leading venues and infrastructure to execute these large, complex and high-profile events, our city has a diverse business environment and spectacular natural setting which provide a compelling backdrop to any event.”

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Oh that. Yes, KIX being wound back from 7 to 6 weekly next summer. For minor adjustments like that airlines don’t normally issue press releases.
NGO also being wound back by one weekly.
These were to facilitate the increase in DUB from 3 to 5 weekly.
Imagine that!? AC adding flights to Europe at Asia’s expense!
AC’s international expansion next summer out of YVR is mainly to Europe:
LHR second daily
CDG new 4 weekly
ZRH new 3 weekly
DUB increasing from 3 to 5 weekly on rouge
Daily 788 to FRA stays the same

YVR is just so poorly served to Europe... nonstop service to only 11 cities... I thought it was all about China.

And then of course adding the year round MEL service too.

Asia pretty much a wash with PVG going to a daily 77W covers the loss of the two weekly rouge to KIX/NGO.

Excuse me, Johnny but what are the 11 (eleven) cities?
I'm not trying to be contrary, but with The "Big Four" (LHR, AMS, FRA, CDG), plus ZRH, DUB, MUC, KEF, I count eight (8) cities.
Am I mistaken- are you counting frequencies? If not, please tell me what the 11 cities are? Thank you very much.

[Johnny Aussie]

The 11 are:

KEF, DUB, GLA, MAN, LHR, LGW, AMS, CDG, FRA, MUC, ZRH

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The 11 are:

KEF, DUB, GLA, MAN, LHR, LGW, AMS, CDG, FRA, MUC, ZRH

Thanks, Johnny !!

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Oh that. Yes, KIX being wound back from 7 to 6 weekly next summer. For minor adjustments like that airlines don’t normally issue press releases.
NGO also being wound back by one weekly.
These were to facilitate the increase in DUB from 3 to 5 weekly.
Imagine that!? AC adding flights to Europe at Asia’s expense!
AC’s international expansion next summer out of YVR is mainly to Europe:

Anecdotally I've found fares to europe nearly double the cost per mile to that of Asia so I'm not too surprised AC is shifting it's attention that way, at least for the time being.

I expect the Asian carriers to try and pick up AC's slack on the TPAC routes as they have lower cost structures to deal with that low fare/high load environment.

I really do think AC will launch a S. American route sometime soon. The fares traveling south are quite high year round. YVR-LIM on Rouge seems like a good bet.

[Johnny Aussie]

As it stands now getting oh so close to 100 daily departures...

96 daily of which about 55 are on mainline aircraft (including rouge for “size” comparisons)

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

As it stands now getting oh so close to 100 daily departures...

96 daily of which about 55 are on mainline aircraft (including rouge for “size” comparisons)

Out of curiosity, how does this compare with the rest of the big 4 Canadian airports? I’d guess YYZ is in a league of its own, with YUL and YVR probably quite close?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Hourglass

Out of curiosity, how does this compare with the rest of the big 4 Canadian airports? I’d guess YYZ is in a league of its own, with YUL and YVR probably quite close?

I follow Western Canada only (mainly) but I would imagine AC at YYZ alone would be a larger transborder operation than all of YVR transborder. YUL has a very significant transborder operation as well, but leans more to regional aircraft (ie its sees only 1-2 mainline flights a day on US carriers moreso on AC of course though).

YYC has been fairly stagnant on the transborder front and has been hovering around 50 departures daily of which about 25 are mainline aircraft. The increases at Westjet have basically offset the wind back of AC and US based carriers as of late. YYC has definitely been able to garner more of the prairie market share as other cities in the region have seen declines in transborder offerings.

YEG has been on a gradual decline. They will be at about 12 departures per day of which 4 are mainline.

YVR Transborder O&D has just grown incredibly between 2013 and 2016.

In 2013 YVR was ahead of YYC by about 500,000 pax and ahead of YUL by only about 340,000.... in 2016 that's grown to about 1.6 million over YYC and just shy of 1 million over YUL.

In 2013 YVR was only 44.9% of YYZ's total... in 2016 that was 51.4% so YYZ is not even 2x YVR's total Transborder market despite being such a bigger city and more importantly a much larger business centre.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I follow Western Canada only (mainly) but I would imagine AC at YYZ alone would be a larger transborder operation than all of YVR transborder. YUL has a very significant transborder operation as well, but leans more to regional aircraft (ie its sees only 1-2 mainline flights a day on US carriers moreso on AC of course though).

YYC has been fairly stagnant on the transborder front and has been hovering around 50 departures daily of which about 25 are mainline aircraft. The increases at Westjet have basically offset the wind back of AC and US based carriers as of late. YYC has definitely been able to garner more of the prairie market share as other cities in the region have seen declines in transborder offerings.

YEG has been on a gradual decline. They will be at about 12 departures per day of which 4 are mainline.

YVR Transborder O&D has just grown incredibly between 2013 and 2016.

In 2013 YVR was ahead of YYC by about 500,000 pax and ahead of YUL by only about 340,000.... in 2016 that's grown to about 1.6 million over YYC and just shy of 1 million over YUL.

In 2013 YVR was only 44.9% of YYZ's total... in 2016 that was 51.4% so YYZ is not even 2x YVR's total Transborder market despite being such a bigger city and more importantly a much larger business centre.

Thanks Johnny! Yes, YVR’s growth over the past few years has been remarkable. That expansion is definitely needed!

[trofirhen]

Can anyone tell me how many takeoffs per hour at YVR. I arbitrarily divided 96^ by 18h (assuming the curfew etc etc) and got 5.3 which makes - according to my rough estimates-
one transborder flight every 11.3 minutes. If domestic and international are included, what is the average takeoff frequency at YVR, please? Are the intervals between takeoffs constant, more or less, or do they vary at certain times of day? Thank you, anyone, who is willing to answer this question.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Can anyone tell me how many takeoffs per hour at YVR. I arbitrarily divided 96^ by 18h (assuming the curfew etc etc) and got 5.3 which makes - according to my rough estimates-
one transborder flight every 11.3 minutes. If domestic and international are included, what is the average takeoff frequency at YVR, please? Are the intervals between takeoffs constant, more or less, or do they vary at certain times of day? Thank you, anyone, who is willing to answer this question.

Go to flightradar24.com, click on the YVR airport icon, a window will open from the left side of your screen. Click on "departures" and count the number of departures/hour.

My guess. 35-40 departures during peak hours, 10-15 during non peak.

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I thought it was all about China.

.....and the U.S

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Go to flightradar24.com, click on the YVR airport icon, a window will open from the left side of your screen. Click on "departures" and count the number of departures/hour.

My guess. 35-40 departures during peak hours, 10-15 during non peak.



.....and the U.S

I did that, and saw the frequencies; works out to often two or three minutes +/- Sometimes, for a given reason, flight times are listed at the same time on three different destinations.
Airports A,B and C to destinations X,Y and Z. Then I had a look at Atlanta ... wow !! they're often lined up nose-to-tail, it would seem.

[nname]

Seems like the preliminary schedule is out according to a post in a Chinese forum... Arrival on Friday near noon... that gonna be fun

Maybe YVR still need remote stand in the summer...

Shenzhen - Tianjin - Vancouver

Eff. May 25, 2018

HU7959 SZX 0725 - 1025 TSN 1325 - 0930 YVR 330 15
HU7960 YVR 1130 - 1415+1 TSN 1645+1 - 1945+1 SZX 330 15

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Seems like the preliminary schedule is out according to a post in a Chinese forum... Arrival on Friday near noon... that gonna be fun

Maybe YVR still need remote stand in the summer...

Shenzhen - Tianjin - Vancouver

Eff. May 25, 2018

HU7959 SZX 0725 - 1025 TSN 1325 - 0930 YVR 330 15
HU7960 YVR 1130 - 1415+1 TSN 1645+1 - 1945+1 SZX 330 15

I was wondering when the start date and schedule was going to be announced.
On Fridays YVR will have Hainan, Hong Kong Airlines and Beijing Capital on the ground at the same time... similar liveries.

Hainan will be YVR’s 24th foreign overseas carrier, 7th Mainland Chinese carrier and 11th Chinese carrier (incl HK and ROC).

And with that goes the last two remaining allotments for mainland Chinese carriers to Canada.

That’s all folks! For now at least.

YVR's press release ---> http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2018/yvr-to-welcome-hainan-airlines-in-spring-2018

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR's press release ---> http://www.yvr.ca/en/media/news-releases/2018/yvr-to-welcome-hainan-airlines-in-spring-2018

Interesting... I did not see it on Hainan's PR or website, but only a forum post and a third party news website posted 11 hours ago. I thought that was leaked news

[LeftCoaster]

Happy to see that one finally firmed up, was years of rumours in the making.

Also, looks like they will be running it with A330-300s according to the YVR release, a 32% capacity increase over the 330-200 they were rumoured to be starting with.

Good news all around!

[zahav]

I posted about this in the Canada Airport thread. We all know how much the rest of Canada likes to celebrate YVR's gains (heavily sarcastic for those who don't visit that thread!):

I know some of you (thenoflyzone) will love this news haha, Hainan Airlines announced today new service to Shenzhen via Tianjin from YVR. 13 cities served direct from YVR to mainland China: Beijing, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Kunming, Nanjing, Qindao, Shanghai, Shenyang, Shenzhen, Tianjin, Xiamen, and Zhengzhou. Total of 7 mainland carriers (Air China, Beijing Capital, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan, Sichuan, and Xiamen) plus Air Canada. If you add in Hong Kong and Taipei (controversially "Greater China") then total destinations is 15 and carriers up to 11 total (Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, EVA Air, and Hong Kong Airlines).

Reading that cities list is really crazy. Hard to believe they are all served from YVR. I started working at the airport in 2003 and quickly developed a big interest in anything airport/airline related. I think back to those days (which was a low point for YVR post 9/11 and very anemic growth) and then to now, and just how many more carriers and destinations we have. Now that the allocations are filled, thinking about what other cities we might see if there were open skies (not that I want that, just out of curiosity). Looking at Sydney as a "western" city with major ties, they have the following cities we don't have: Changsha, Haikou (begins 31 January 2018), Xi'an, and Fuzhou. LAX has Chongqing and Jinan. You can bet some of these would come to YVR if the cap was lifted. This whole thing has been a major geography lesson for me, I had no idea the amount of "secondary" cities of major size there were.

Now let's hope for a South American link and that announcement from Turkish. Chinese, Middle Eastern, and Latin American new routes altogether would be nice a well rounded. I think the SA isn't imment, but Turkish is definitely on the horizon unless circumstances change

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by zahav

Reading that cities list is really crazy. Hard to believe they are all served from YVR. I started working at the airport in 2003 and quickly developed a big interest in anything airport/airline related. I think back to those days (which was a low point for YVR post 9/11 and very anemic growth) and then to now, and just how many more carriers and destinations we have. Now that the allocations are filled, thinking about what other cities we might see if there were open skies (not that I want that, just out of curiosity). Looking at Sydney as a "western" city with major ties, they have the following cities we don't have: Changsha, Haikou (begins 31 January 2018), Xi'an, and Fuzhou. LAX has Chongqing and Jinan. You can bet some of these would come to YVR if the cap was lifted. This whole thing has been a major geography lesson for me, I had no idea the amount of "secondary" cities of major size there were.

Now let's hope for a South American link and that announcement from Turkish. Chinese, Middle Eastern, and Latin American new routes altogether would be nice a well rounded. I think the SA isn't imment, but Turkish is definitely on the horizon unless circumstances change

MEL is also another "western" city with huge Chinese ties. MEL is served by 9 mainland Chinese carriers: all the mainland Chinese carriers serving YVR does PLUS Shanghai Airlines (operates one of the daily MEL-PVG flights on behalf of MU) and Tianjin Airlines. MEL also has Changsha, Xi'an and Chongqing. However MEL doesn't have Tianjin, Kunming or Nanjing. Although I hear Kunming, Nanjing and possibly Wuhan aren't far away. Zengzhou is the only secondary Chinese destination served by an Aussie airline, Jetstar.

So I'd have to say outside of Asia, Vancouver, Sydney and Melbourne are by far the most connected to China.

[osirisboy]

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/...nger-count-that-hit-24-1-million-in-2017

Article mentions 29 million passengers for 2020 also I like how Craig richmond acknowledges how it's "it's just weird" that there are no connections to South America. Hopefully we see some growth there