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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 1:19 AM
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Re: Amazon HQ2

I read past articles in 2017 that referenced the coming of the 2nd or Next Silicon Valley in North America including Toronto, Austin, and Atlanta. Some other US cities, but they didn't make the Amazon cut announced today. So, just wondering if Amazon will be bias in their selection based on how other businesses have set up shop in these cities to be honored with that moniker. If Amazon is looking for like company (e.g., other tech companies in the same city), does that put us at a disadvantage on the next cut, say the next 10 cities to reach the winning city bid. Thoughts?
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:21 AM
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Re: Amazon HQ2

I read past articles in 2017 that referenced the coming of the 2nd or Next Silicon Valley in North America including Toronto, Austin, and Atlanta. Some other US cities, but they didn't make the Amazon cut announced today. So, just wondering if Amazon will be bias in their selection based on how other businesses have set up shop in these cities to be honored with that moniker. If Amazon is looking for like company (e.g., other tech companies in the same city), does that put us at a disadvantage on the next cut, say the next 10 cities to reach the winning city bid. Thoughts?
This conversation is so exhausting.

The only cities left that meet Amazon's own requirements are Chicago, DC, NY, Philly, and Boston.

If they strike out and slot HQ2 in a place like Dallas or Nashville, then it was never a genuine search in the first place.

I will say this. Jeff Bezos is a hard core liberal who spent a significant amount of time in his life in New Jersey and owns the Washington Post. He's not putting HQ2 in a deep red state, the only exceptions potentially being Atlanta or Austin.

He's never cared about what "other" people thought. It's one of the reasons why he eschewed suburban Silicon Valley for urban Seattle.

Let's stop caring about what a bunch of media nobody's and site selection "experts" say. We all know what they think. They're the same people who just wrote an article about the final 20 which proclaimed Nashville has "great universities" (it has one with nary a presence in anything technological), didn't mention a single university in Philadelphia's description even though we're home to the best business school in the world and have 6 schools in the top 50 in our city limits or nearby. I mean. It's exhausting. Do you believe when an article proclaims Nashville has "great education" just because it says so? Any objective observer knows the talent pool at the university level and beyond is FAR deeper and wider in Philadelphia than it is in Nashville. For god's sake.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:31 AM
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Re: Amazon HQ2

I read past articles in 2017 that referenced the coming of the 2nd or Next Silicon Valley in North America including Toronto, Austin, and Atlanta. Some other US cities, but they didn't make the Amazon cut announced today. So, just wondering if Amazon will be bias in their selection based on how other businesses have set up shop in these cities to be honored with that moniker. If Amazon is looking for like company (e.g., other tech companies in the same city), does that put us at a disadvantage on the next cut, say the next 10 cities to reach the winning city bid. Thoughts?

Its not apples to apples, but Comcast is no small fish.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:42 AM
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I will say this. Jeff Bezos is a hard core liberal who spent a significant amount of time in his life in New Jersey and owns the Washington Post. He's not putting HQ2 in a deep red state, the only exceptions potentially being Atlanta or Austin.
Overall I agree about the exhausting and largely nonsensical nature of the media coverage. However, on this point, keep in mind, there is largely no such thing as red states and blue states. Even the bluest of blue states is largely red outside of the big metros and even the reddest of red states, largely have blue cities.

Amazon in announcing their finalists they wiped out all bids that weren't inside a major metropolitan area. No matter which of the 20 bids they pick, they'll be somewhere blue. I don't know if a place like Austin which is very blue but is located in a red state with appealing tax incentives is necessarily a negative.

Also as Texas gets younger and more hispanic it's also trending more democratic. Adding 50,000 jobs held by largely liberal people, many of whom would likely be transplanting to Texas, may even start to speed up that process.

The only way I think being in a red state actively hampers a bid, would likely be if the state has passed some sort of restrictive social laws that affects minorities such as gays or transgenders, such as bills passed in Indiana and North Carolina in recent years. Even then, you'd have to think states would remove such laws if it meant landing Amazon, so who knows, perhaps Bezos would see as a positive that he's positively affecting the lives of people in minority communities.

Bottom line, I don't really think personal politics from Bezos will factor in as much as you think it will, and even if does, I don't think it necessarily makes as much of a difference as you imply as you could look at it a number of different ways.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:46 AM
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 6:08 AM
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Amazon HQ2

My opinion is that the list is strategic and focused because of the cluster in our immediate area like a couple posters have already observed. I really think that the company’s goal is to be on the east coast and to be able to define a major American city. That’s how history is made, by taking a city like Philadelphia, America’s largest poor city and propelling it,and it’s citizens into the future and into the history books.
Why I think we will be on the short list is because they put Pittsburgh on the list. I have nothing against Pittsburgh as a matter of fact I actually enjoy going there a couple of times yearly. But they really don’t have what the Rfp is asking, so I think they are making a play on a state level to get the terms they consider ideal for them. And it’s a smart play. I also think the same is going on in the metro to the south Bal-wash.

P.S the Bloomberg article is a farce and the bias is glaring yellow journalism and poorly researched and not reliable.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 1:34 PM
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However, on this point, keep in mind, there is largely no such thing as red states and blue states. Even the bluest of blue states is largely red outside of the big metros and even the reddest of red states, largely have blue cities.
The second sentence here is certainly true, but a republican in Texas is not the same as Republican in the North East. More importantly, I think you're overlooking the affect state politics has on cities. This is no small thing.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 2:26 PM
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Now Apple is going to build an HQ2 somewhere in the US

Philadelphia absolutely has to make a play for this, along with the Amazon HQ2. Now, Apple is a PERFECT fit for the Navy Yard. Just like Amazon is PERFECT fit for Schuylkill Yards.

LET'S MAKE THEM BOTH HAPPEN!!!!

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https://www.curbed.com/2018/1/17/16902190/apple-new-campus-headquarters-jobs
Apple is not coming to the Navy Yard. If they chose Philadelphia, they'd build an isolated office in Malvern or something like that. As "hip" as Apple's reputation is, there's nothing to suggest that they embrace urbanism at all. Apple's HQ in Cupertino is truly awful. They also have a large presence (6,000 employees) in Austin located in a nondescript office park well off the beaten path. True, they have space in Pittsburgh's Strip District but it's only 50 people or so. At this moment, they are looking to build a campus, and wherever they land, it's just going to add to that region's sprawl. Apple really sucks in that regard.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 2:40 PM
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Apple is not coming to the Navy Yard. If they chose Philadelphia, they'd build an isolated office in Malvern or something like that. As "hip" as Apple's reputation is, there's nothing to suggest that they embrace urbanism at all. Apple's HQ in Cupertino is truly awful. They also have a large presence (6,000 employees) in Austin located in a nondescript office park well off the beaten path. True, they have space in Pittsburgh's Strip District but it's only 50 people or so. At this moment, they are looking to build a campus, and wherever they land, it's just going to add to that region's sprawl. Apple really sucks in that regard.
I give them slightly more credit than that. I think their commitment to Cupertino stems back decades and is more a Jobsian legacy than it is a shunning of urbanism. But yeah, the new building is the opposite of urbanism. They are also incredibly frugal with their $$ - off-shoring, saving billions and not investing it anywhere (yet). As the reports state, this is a starting off as tech support center, even if they add more interesting programming and design talent later, it only makes sense given the low-tech needs and lower cost point that they would go to some cheaper SEC/Big 12 area (Charlotte, Atlanta, Florida, Texas etc) where they can build a few big barns to house the endless rows of cubicles that tech call centers require at a decent price and then trumpet their "commitment" to the USA in a media blitz.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:01 PM
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This conversation is so exhausting.

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I will say this. Jeff Bezos is a hard core liberal who spent a significant amount of time in his life in New Jersey and owns the Washington Post. He's not putting HQ2 in a deep red state, the only exceptions potentially being Atlanta or Austin.
I totally agree with this. I'm a staunch east-coast-raised democrat and I would NEVER locate or start a business in Texas or any other deep red state. I'm not completely familiar with JB's politics but if you're looking at everything, this might play into it. The cluster does seem to show an east coast bias and that might not be coincidence.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:21 PM
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I totally agree with this. I'm a staunch east-coast-raised democrat and I would NEVER locate or start a business in Texas or any other deep red state. I'm not completely familiar with JB's politics but if you're looking at everything, this might play into it. The cluster does seem to show an east coast bias and that might not be coincidence.
He's not necessarily a fan of POTUS. So, so-called Blue States may have somewhat of better odds of getting selected.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:36 PM
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He's not necessarily a fan of POTUS. ....
Now there's an understatement.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 3:51 PM
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If politics are part of this and Mr. Bezos is as liberal as everyone says, then Amazon should pick PA and tip it blue with their 50k mostly-liberal voters.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 4:11 PM
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Updated Odds

Here are the latest odds after the cut:

Via PaddyPower-- http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_...20build%20their%20Second%20Headquarters?

Bets will be settled on the City Amazon announce in 2018 will be the location for their second headquarters:

Boston 3/1
Austin 7/2
Atlanta 7/2
Montgomery County 8/1
Pittsburgh 8/1
Washington D.C. 10/1
Philadelphia 14/1
New York 14/1
Toronto 14/1
Chicago 16/1
Denver 16/1
Newark 16/1
Indianapolis 20/1
Raleigh 20/1
Nashville 20/1
Dallas 20/1
Northern Virginia 20/1
Columbus 20/1
Miami 20/1
Los Angeles 20/1


As they say money talks and BS walks...will have to see how the line moves over the next couple of months. Line movement from here out should divine insider leaks.

No surprises at the top but somewhat surprised on Chicago and Denver current odds...Raleigh and Dallas also underperforming
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 4:12 PM
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Exactly. Translation: we couldn't think of a single con, so we'll dredge up an outdated stereotype.
It was never in date. Whatever Philadelphia may have lacked along the way, cultural amenities were never among them.
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Here are the latest odds after the cut:
As I think has been stated before, oddsmakers do not have a crystal ball (I almost said that they don't have crystal balls, but while grammatically correct, conjures up images best unconjured). They set their odds based on what people are betting on - bettors that don't know any more than any of us on this board know. Leaks, etc, are more likely to be rumors than fact. So just because Vegas gives better odds on one city does not mean that that city is necessarily more likely to win.
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It was never in date. Whatever Philadelphia may have lacked along the way, cultural amenities were never among them.
You are correct, except that I think that by "cultural amenities", they were also referring to restaurants and general night life, which for a time was lacking here. That's all I was referring to.
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It was never in date. Whatever Philadelphia may have lacked along the way, cultural amenities were never among them.
I'm pretty sure the same New Yorkers* would argue that London lacks cultural amenities too.


*Usually these people are actually transplants from the mid-west who try to obscure their identity so they can get their rocks off telling people they are from the greatest city on earth.
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I'm pretty sure the same New Yorkers* would argue that London lacks cultural amenities too.


*Usually these people are actually transplants from the mid-west who try to obscure their identity so they can get their rocks off telling people they are from the greatest city on earth.
Trying to find a born and raised New Yorker in Manhattan is damn near impossible at this point.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2018, 4:46 PM
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You are correct, except that I think that by "cultural amenities", they were also referring to restaurants and general night life, which for a time was lacking here. That's all I was referring to.
Whatever it means, DC certainly doesn't rank higher than Philadelphia.

In DC. Subway makes a sandwich that people like to eat.

And Rosa Mexicana is considered a "nice" restaurant.

There might be 3-5 restaurants total in DC that would garner mid-level respect here.

If by culture, they mean food, alcohol, music, night life, etc, then Philly outranks DC on a scale of like 80:1.
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