YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 619

thenoflyzone · #**12361** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Another A350 coming to Vancouver:

Some of those LH A333s had first class. Not sure if MUC-YVR had F class, but now that the route is going A359, there is definitely no more F class on the route.

YVR Bruce · #**12362** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 8:17 PM**

From J Aussie:
[Now we
wait and see what they do with YVR-FRA.]

Given his past record, JA would have a better view, but I'll pose this guess:

With LH's unhappiness re FRA airport management, they'll continue bolstering MUC by moving YVR-FRA to A359 and running a longer season or year-round MUC link to maintain overall capacity. The latter is a pretty attractive and growing hub.

No doubt LH's 744 fleet decision will govern the timing of this.
If this were to happen, it might open space for AC's YVR-FRA link

trofirhen · #**12363** Posted **Jan 10, 2018, 11:47 PM**

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Johnny Aussie;8042415]For what is considered some of the slowest months of the year for Air traffic some of those LFs are amazing!

Regardless what happens that’s good that TK was granted access. Now whether they use it or not?

Would they not be idiots (Turkish) to refuse it?

If they want more frequencies, can the Vancouver market provide enough yield? (Though EK seems to be doing very well out of SEA, attracting a number of BC pax, it seems)

mezzanine · #**12364** Posted **Jan 11, 2018, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

No it wasn’t open. I was just referring to at least there were some decent cooked food options late at night. In the past when it was just SYD departing it was abysmal.

I'm just happy to have open access to the beer! I think it's Canadian charter right

Johnny Aussie · #**12365** Posted **Jan 11, 2018, 2:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

I'm just happy to have open access to the beer! I think it's Canadian charter right

I’m pretty sure last year they only had Canadian on tap. Now there were 6 options including Guinness... what a treat. Even had instructions for a proper pour of it.

nname · #**12366** Posted **Jan 11, 2018, 10:02 AM**

Seems like AC is increasing the length of some of the seasonal services...

YVR-BOS now runs from May 18 to Sept 23 (I remember it was just a bit over 2 months last year?)

YVR-YZF now starts Sept 5 for this winter (compared to December last year)

By the way, when did AC start having 4 dailies to YXY!? I remember the last time I checked there were only 2....

Johnny Aussie · #**12367** Posted **Jan 11, 2018, 11:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Seems like AC is increasing the length of some of the seasonal services...

YVR-BOS now runs from May 18 to Sept 23 (I remember it was just a bit over 2 months last year?)

YVR-YZF now starts Sept 5 for this winter (compared to December last year)

By the way, when did AC start having 4 dailies to YXY!? I remember the last time I checked there were only 2....

More good news... these baby steps are also what’s needed to keep growth up.
Perhaps YZF will be added year round. And you’re right YVR-YXY has been 3 daily summer twice daily winter. The boost to 4 daily during peak summer is new this year.
EWR also bumping up to a 787-9. This flight used to rotate through with the BNE flight which remains a 787-8. Based on updated schedules looks like the BNE flight will now rotate through with a domestic leg to/from YUL.

Also for this summer:
*YQR (all DH4) and YXE (all CRA) are bumping up to 3 daily each. Capacity on YVR-YQR will equal that of YYC-YQR and YYC-YXE will have only 50 seats more per day than YVR-YXE... In my lifetime that’s the first time I’ve ever seen YVR-Saskatchewan almost the same capacity as YYC-Saskatchewan. Different story ar WestJet of course but indicates AC’s further building prominence at YVR is coming, among other places, at YYC’s expense. Looks like there will be more DH4 and CRAs based at YVR next summer... shifting from the prairies perhaps.
*YWG will be all mainline (3 x 320)
*YUL bumping up to 7 daily.

red-paladin · #**12368** Posted **Jan 12, 2018, 4:38 AM**

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...t-of-feminine-hygiene-products-1.4483914

YVR gets vendor to reduce cost of feminine hygiene products

A passenger said she had to pay three times the usual price for pads during a recent trip

thenoflyzone · #**12369** Posted **Jan 14, 2018, 8:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by red-paladin

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...t-of-feminine-hygiene-products-1.4483914

YVR gets vendor to reduce cost of feminine hygiene products

A passenger said she had to pay three times the usual price for pads during a recent trip

They should rescind all 8 of YVR's skytrax awards ! This is unacceptable.

Johnny Aussie · #**12370** Posted **Jan 14, 2018, 8:32 PM**

UA has finally loaded the Sat only flights to IAD for the summer so summer 2018 is basically the same as 2017. As we all know UA is notorious for numerous changes but as it stands now. 15 daily - 13 mainline and 2 Express with 16 flights on Saturday with the extra IAD on 739s. DEN appears to be the only route scaling back with only 2 daily (1 mainline and 1 Express) - perhaps due to AC increasing to 3 daily.

YVR is the only city in Canada, served by UA, predominantly served by UA mainline. Even YYZ most UA Flights served by Express.
Actually same for AA as well 6 out of 7 daily flights next summer are mainline.
YVR is also the only Canadian city to be served by 4 mainline US carriers AS, AA, DL and UA. And as of this winter all 4 year round as DL to MSP is now daily year round mainline.
And one of the two daily SLC in DL bumping up to a 320 instead of a 319.

Is YVR the most US-mainline-served airport in Canada?

For summer 2018 at least:

YVR 25 higher on weekends closer to 28
YYZ 20
YYC 8
YEG 2
YUL 1

Sorry for the numerous edits... just keep finding more tidbits!
Changed the title as well.

excel · #**12371** Posted **Jan 14, 2018, 10:06 PM**

Thanks for the updates.

Johnny Aussie · #**12372** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 12:10 AM**

Anybody going?

This year should be one the most exciting ones.

https://www.boardoftrade.com/events/individual-events/1185-6215

nname · #**12373** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 1:48 AM**

Is that a hint that the game-changer is finally going to be announced?

Lancaster · #**12374** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Is YVR the most US-mainline-served airport in Canada?

For summer 2018 at least:

YVR 25 higher on weekends closer to 28
YYZ 20
YYC 8
YEG 2
YUL 1

Surely this must be because of cruise ship traffic, right? That, or AC/WS really don't swing nearly as big a stick at YVR as they should.

Johnny Aussie · #**12375** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 2:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lancaster

Surely this must be because of cruise ship traffic, right? That, or AC/WS really don't swing nearly as big a stick at YVR as they should.

The cruise ship industry is definitely a huge contributor in the summer of course.
AC a big stick at YVR? Next summer they will be one daily flight shy of 40. Yes that’s right 39 daily flights. However they are not as mainline heavy as some of its US counterparts.
13 mainline
3 rouge
23 Express
That’s a very big transborder operation.
In 2015 AC had only 24 daily transborder flights.
WestJet will have 11 daily. About 3 less than YYC but that’s 8-9 more than YEG. YYC will have 12 daily AC transborder flights (3 mainline, 1 rouge and 8 Express) and YEG 1 Daily AC Express.

Johnny Aussie · #**12376** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

Is that a hint that the game-changer is finally going to be announced?

I don’t think the BOT luncheons are the proper venue for new route announcements. I don’t recall there ever being one. He may drop some hints.

I’m thinking more along the lines of more details to the upcoming expansions.

Lancaster · #**12377** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 7:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

AC a big stick at YVR? Next summer they will be one daily flight shy of 40. Yes that’s right 39 daily flights. However they are not as mainline heavy as some of its US counterparts.
13 mainline
3 rouge
23 Express
That’s a very big transborder operation.
In 2015 AC had only 24 daily transborder flights.

Thanks for this. With all the recent announcements it's sometimes hard to appreciate just how much has changed in such a short period of time. How it has grown!

Will be interesting to see if AC starts bringing the CS300s in on a lot of these Express routes as they mature.

Johnny Aussie · #**12378** Posted **Jan 16, 2018, 7:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lancaster

Thanks for this. With all the recent announcements it's sometimes hard to appreciate just how much has changed in such a short period of time. How it has grown!

Will be interesting to see if AC starts bringing the CS300s in on a lot of these Express routes as they mature.

And perhaps start new routes like Washington and Miami.

thenoflyzone · #**12379** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lancaster

Surely this must be because of cruise ship traffic, right?

Cruise ship traffic helps for sure.

Stage length is also a reason why YVR sees more mainline flights compared to other Canadian airports. (ex. YVR-JFK or YVR-ATL is not doable on a feeder, whereas JFK-YUL/YYZ are)

Another thing to consider is scope clauses for US regionals.

All US majors have imposed restrictions towards their feeder airlines, known as scope clauses, The main restrictions are towards the number of planes (varies according to airline), max seating (76 seats) and max takeoff weight (86,000 lb MTOW). However, less known are the restrictions on certain airport pairs, stage lengths, block times, that the feeders cannot operate or exceed.

Some of these restrictions play in YVR's favor in having mainline operate (or continue to operate) the route instead of the feeders.

Ex. Delta feeders are restricted in the number of routes they can operate over 900 miles (less than 10%).

At UA for example, no new UA feeder flying is allowed on UA mainline routes flown in last 24 months, unless UA could not earn an adequate return on the route.

A good read, for those of you wanting to learn more about scope clauses.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

For summer 2018 at least:

YVR 25 higher on weekends closer to 28
YYZ 20
YYC 8
YEG 2
YUL 1

Sorry for the numerous edits... just keep finding more tidbits!
Changed the title as well.

Oddly enough, YUL sees more mainline in winter than in summer. DL has winter seasonal mainline service to ATL.

Lancaster · #**12380** Posted **Jan 17, 2018, 4:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Another thing to consider is scope clauses for US regionals.
However, less known are the restrictions on certain airport pairs, stage lengths, block times, that the feeders cannot operate or exceed.

Ex. Delta feeders are restricted in the number of routes they can operate over 900 miles (less than 10%).

At UA for example, no new UA feeder flying is allowed on UA mainline routes flown in last 24 months, unless UA could not earn an adequate return on the route.

I didn't realize scope clauses got that scientific! Thank you for the link, I will make sure and do some research!