Downtown Vancouver Updates

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yes the dogs should be leashed but if the owners are going to not follow the rules (because I know everyone on here follows all rules all the time) and the dog falls off, we should just say "oh well it's your fault"?

Yes. Like, duh.

How many unleashed dogs (and unsupervised children) run onto streets and get hit by cars? Lots. Should society build 6-foot high barriers along every sidewalk in the city? That's the absurd (and unaffordable) world your logic leads to.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

The fencing there now is obviously temporary. They could just put a railing on top and will solve the problem

so temporary to you is a fence that has been in place from 2014-2018 hmmmm. 4 years doesn't seem very temporary to me. but i guess 4 years isn't 5 years.

i like how this wasn't an issue from 1985 until 2008 when the first stupid dog owner decided he didn't care enough about his dog to keep it safe. when stupid people started getting older and being able to make decisions.

and then in 2014 when another stupid dog owner decided that it should be someone else's responsibility to make sure his dog stays safe instead of him. and then on-top of that, he says "i saw the warning sign about the drop, but then didn't realize what it meant because I'm an idiot" i am paraphrasing of course.

but good argument about the temporary fence that is now 4 years old. that is just so temporary, yup. i am sure they are working on a permanent fix and it is just taking awhile to consult all the dog owners.

[osirisboy]

You guys sound like a bunch of stupid crotchety busy bodies!! Your arguments make Absolutely no sense

And that fence has not been up for 5 years but good job! I just noticed it the past few months. And yeah putting a railing along the top is really "absurdly unaffordable" give me a break.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Yes. Like, duh.

How many unleashed dogs (and unsupervised children) run onto streets and get hit by cars? Lots. Should society build 6-foot high barriers along every sidewalk in the city? That's the absurd (and unaffordable) world your logic leads to.

Yup. Wow.

Well let's stop spending millions on bike lanes then. That's just idiot proofing because the stupid cyclists demanded it and don't feel like following the rules of the roaD

[jollyburger]

Must be a suicide fence for canines.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

You guys sound like a bunch of stupid crotchety busy bodies!! Your arguments make Absolutely no sense.

You cannot logically take your position without also taking the position that we should build high fences along every sidewalk in the city, since unleashed dogs and unsupervised children running onto streets and getting injured or killed by cars is a far more common occurence than dogs jumping over the balcony of BC Place. Indeed, according to your argument there are no limitations on the amount of resources society should exhaust to prevent every possibly kind of accident, even ones which are easily avoidable by following common sense and a few simple safety rules, which only a handful of individual are refusing to do.

Your argument is absurd because it leads to absurd results.

[osirisboy]

What the hell are you talking about?! Spending next to nothing to fix a hidden hazard versus spending billions putting up walls on every street? Umm Yeah that's totally the same thing?!



Sure am glad you aren't the one in charge. Jesus. Seems like a gross lack of compassion on your part

[s211]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Yes. Like, duh.

How many unleashed dogs (and unsupervised children) run onto streets and get hit by cars? Lots. Should society build 6-foot high barriers along every sidewalk in the city? That's the absurd (and unaffordable) world your logic leads to.

Case in point: see how lightspeed-fast the City installed fencing along the Stanley Park Causeway after a cycling incident?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

What the hell are you talking about?! Spending next to nothing to fix a hidden hazard versus spending billions putting up walls on every street? Umm Yeah that's totally the same thing?!



Sure am glad you aren't the one in charge. Jesus. Seems like a gross lack of compassion on your part

There's no such a thing as "spending next to nothing". $100,000 - $200,000 isn't "nothing". If you pacify these dumb people, there would be limitless number of other places that they can cry foul about when their dogs or kids get hurt due to their own stupidity.

Society ask dog owners to leash their dogs for a reason. Think leashing them is too harsh? Work hard to buy a huge ranch to let them run free. Can't afford it? Obey the rules, or don't own at all.

Originally Posted by s211

Case in point: see how lightspeed-fast the City installed fencing along the Stanley Park Causeway after a cycling incident?

The City needed to. They were the ones who allowed mixed cycling and pedestrian use on the narrow sidewalks in the first place, ie. they created the unsafe corridor. Hence after a human life was lost, they had to remedy the situation. The stupidity lay on the City in this example.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

The City needed to. They were the ones who allowed mixed cycling and pedestrian use on the narrow sidewalks in the first place, ie. they created the unsafe corridor. Hence after a human life was lost, they had to remedy the situation. The stupidity lay on the City in this example.

Not sure why you're both jumping to the conclusion that the City were involved, but they weren't. the Stanley Park Causeway fencing was installed by the B C Government, as the road is a Provincial responsibility.

Similarly the BC Place Stadium would require provincial spending to add a more dog-proof barrier than the temporary fencing, although it would be the arms length agency of PAVCO who would carry out the work, as they control those government buildings. As there's a submitted application for a residential tower on the east side of the stadium, it seems reasonable to assume that there will be a lot of changes around the concourse, and any permanent changes might happen after, or as part of that construction.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Not sure why you're both jumping to the conclusion that the City were involved, but they weren't. the Stanley Park Causeway fencing was installed by the B C Government, as the road is a Provincial responsibility.

Similarly the BC Place Stadium would require provincial spending to add a more dog-proof barrier than the temporary fencing, although it would be the arms length agency of PAVCO who would carry out the work, as they control those government buildings. As there's a submitted application for a residential tower on the east side of the stadium, it seems reasonable to assume that there will be a lot of changes around the concourse, and any permanent changes might happen after, or as part of that construction.

OK my bad, it was the stupidity of the provincial government for not making the cycling/pedestrian path safer in the first place.

[vancouvercitizen]

Heard jack hammering in the Empire Landmark parkade today. Any idea if they plan to knock it down with explosives or take it apart piece by piece?

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by vancouvercitizen

Heard jack hammering in the Empire Landmark parkade today. Any idea if they plan to knock it down with explosives or take it apart piece by piece?

Piece by piece. Worksafe bc doesn't all implosions

[vancouvercitizen]

No explosive show? Well, that makes me kind of sad. Can only imagine how much asbestos would be in the dust cloud anyways.

[Vantage]

Can anyone explain how they take down a tower of that size "piece by piece"

[slurrey]

Very slowly

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

and very boringly.

[officedweller]

A lot of jackhammering from the demolition of the Vancouver Centre parkade, too.

[Vin]

Sometimes they put a backhoe with a jackhammer on the roof top and lower it floor by floor.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Vin

Sometimes they put a backhoe with a jackhammer on the roof top and lower it floor by floor.

This.

Top down, jackhammer, bobcat, small machines that can be supported by weight of floor plate.

Wont be seeing any big equipment.