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Old Posted Dec 4, 2017, 8:30 PM
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I don't think there's a need to worry about proximity affecting price either. At least not until more rush hour and hourly RER service comes (whenever that will be), since the supply of GO service is still limited to a few trains in and out book-ending the business day and the express buses. The downtown residential market overall would be the prime factor in pricing, for now.

Even when better GO train service arrives, I doubt there will be that much of a spike close to the station vs. sites several blocks away -- all are a relatively short walk.

And let's remember that "transit oriented development" is supposed to be a good thing.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2017, 10:02 AM
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Hey, I’m new here. What’s going on at King & Hughson. It’s “Another project by Liuna!”
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Hey, I’m new here. What’s going on at King & Hughson. It’s “Another project by Liuna!”
You'll want to check out this thread here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=209242

Page 1 is quite old, so soft through the new pages to see renders of what's planned and catch up on recent discussion.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2017, 2:40 PM
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You'll want to check out this thread here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=209242

Page 1 is quite old, so soft through the new pages to see renders of what's planned and catch up on recent discussion.
TYVM. I went through it and am quite pleased with what I see. Right across from the Royal Cannaught too, downtown is really starting to pickup recently.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2017, 6:16 PM
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Dude...nice catch. That looks to be the parking lot. Someone posted in another thread about this lot being sold. Maybe that's it.
I just saw on Twitter that the city has approved the sale of the parking lot.
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I just saw on Twitter that the city has approved the sale of the parking lot.
now if only they'd sell the old robinsons lot beside the pigott building..

actually I think I recall someone is sitting on it and asking an exorbitant amt of money for it.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2017, 10:11 PM
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I sometimes wonder what goes through the mind of an owner of a parking lot. In this case, I am sure they were thinking, lower my holding cost now that I took down the building, then as the years roll by, thoughts roll to I am going to make a killing when I sell or develop. And as successive waves of development happen all around them, they must really feel super optimistic that one day they will pull the trigger and make a small fortune.... but then they don't - waiting for the next big wave, and ultimately don't really contribute anything to the community except for a place to park cars.
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Old Posted Dec 8, 2017, 10:27 PM
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I don't think it's that complicated. To some people, land is value, not the possibility of what that land can hold. Owning land and occupying it with parking = success to some.
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If you owned a parking lot in Brampton and you were making a profit on it, would you ever give it a second thought?

Some of these jerks don't live in Hamilton. Some, I bet, have never even seen their own parking lot.

It's an investment. It's better than putting millions in the bank or investing in the stock market.

And to these types, it's better than actually building something. That's complicated and expensive and involves sh*tloads of red tape...
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2017, 1:42 AM
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What I don't get is that for a couple decades at least, the downtown was dead - yet there were all these parking lots around.
So how are these parking lot owners making any money when there's a dearth of people and an abundance of parking lots to choose from?
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A parking lot is probably the cheapest business you can run. Set up a machine, and boom. No costs except property tax and small fee to security which checks all the lots. A few times a month, plus cars parked there everyday, especially for events when you can backup the price and you've got yourself a moderately profitable business.
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2017, 2:48 AM
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And historically the City has incentivised the razing of buildings in favour of parking lots - i.e. much lower tax rates. Thus the current situation downtown.

I believe those dummies on Main St have finally started to change their tune however...
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2017, 3:13 AM
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I don't think it's that complicated. To some people, land is value, not the possibility of what that land can hold. Owning land and occupying it with parking = success to some.
So whats the point of the old robinsons property that's basically owning land but doing LITERALLY nothing with it in the core of the city?

Only thing I can picture is he is waiting for this new boom to = an eager developer to shell out the big bucks, and with that location, he may very well get it- or forever price himself out of anybodys interest.

Too bad the city can't repossess it. It looks terrible - it's just a slightly grassy area with giant cinder blocks around it. It's not even being used for parking, it's literally a negative value space that's not performing any function whatsoever.

I say put a building there - connect it to the side of the bank, and hide parking in the back like with the pigott building and have that parking shared with the bank. Restore that missing tooth.
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And historically the City has incentivised the razing of buildings in favour of parking lots - i.e. much lower tax rates. Thus the current situation downtown.

I believe those dummies on Main St have finally started to change their tune however...
Taxes on vacant parking lots should be through the roof. The economic potential of the land versus the economic output is massive. There should be a tax on percentage of land covered in surface parking. Property taxes should be 4times the residential rate if 100% is surface parking 3times the rate if 75% is surface parking, and 2times the rate if 50% is surface level, and no lower than 2times the residential rate.

Or something along those lines. I would be curious what the commercial property tax rate is compared to the residential rate, in Hamilton. I know it is normally higher.
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You do eventually get a bit of an issue that if you take away all of the parking lots then nobody is going to come downtown, because there will be nowhere to park, or when there are concerts and whatnot people won't come.

I do worry about that a little. We need parking lots that are camoflauged amongst existing buildings but that are still available as public parking.

I say start parking on the roofs of buildings - it wouldn't be the first time it happened in hamilton - think of all of that unused roof space that could house cars
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Guess I would have to see the math - the economics of the value of the land vs yield from a parking lot operation seems to fall quickly away as prices move upward. There is a tipping point where low value on grade parking lots revenues cant carry the cost (either real cost or opportunity cost).
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2017, 12:28 AM
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So whats the point of the old robinsons property that's basically owning land but doing LITERALLY nothing with it in the core of the city?
You mean the lot next to the Pigott? That's not Robinson's, that's RBC. You can thank your pal Wilson-Blanchard for that one.

They're the reason you can't demo a building and put a parking lot in its place anymore. The lot across the road is also his - that was his last raze-n-pave before that law came into effect, I believe.

When someone like that starts fiddling around with the historic properties that bound Gore Park, you get nervous. Very nervous.

The guy's a dinosaur.
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Condo boom in downtown core
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/8027682-condo-boom-in-downtown-core/

A downtown highrise condominium project placed in receivership this summer was close to finding a new buyer but the deal fell through.

Plans for The Connolly, located at the site of the former James Street Baptist Church, looked like they would move ahead after the receiver entered into a conditional agreement of purchase and sale this fall.

But the receiver, Spergel Inc., learned the transaction won't go through and is restarting its marketing efforts, according to a Dec. 20 notice to people who had purchased units.

While recent plans for The Connolly have fallen through, this is just one condominium project among many that have popped up in Hamilton in recent years as the city seems to be experiencing an influx of condominiums.

At The Connolly, Spergel said it confirmed deposits paid by those who purchased units are held in trust with the law firm Schneider Ruggiero LLP.

"We appreciate the difficulty that this uncertainty may cause you and we will keep you updated with further information as it arises," the notice reads.

The James Street South project has been envisioned as a 30-storey, $80-million undertaking. Former owner Louie Santaguida previously said the 259 units were between 70 and 75 per cent sold and ranged in price from $250,000 to $500,000.

The project attracted a number of bidders, according to Michael St. Jean of St. Jean Realty, which was the selling agency for the project.

"There was quite a bit of interest," he said earlier this month.

The Connolly is one of several developments that have popped up in recent years — with many centred on the core.

Between 2013 and 2016, 1,391 condominium units were built in downtown Hamilton, according to the city's director of economic development, Glen Norton.

Currently, 2,221 units are in progress and another 2,488 units are "under discussion," meaning they are proposals at this stage and nothing has been approved, he said.

Compare that to 2010, when Hamilton reported 10 housing starts of any kind in the downtown that year, Norton said in an interview last month.

"That's pretty significant," he said. "We've come a long way."

But it's not just downtown that is seeing these developments.

Norton said he's recently learned of projects on Rymal Road, a couple in Stoney Creek and at least one in Ancaster, which he called a "positive" step.

A four-storey condo building on the west Mountain — part of the Scenic Trails Community — will be home to 144 units at its 1 Redfern Ave. location.

"The whole urban area needs to have more urban density," he said, noting people need to have choice around building style no matter where in the city they choose to live.

Outside the Downtown Hamilton Community Improvement Project Area (CIPA), 11,265 residential dwelling units have been completed or almost completed between 2012 and 2017. There are another 9,128 units in the planning or formal consultation stages.

Those numbers include apartment as well as condominium units.

Height also plays a role in development.

While some of the city's buildings, both proposed and existing, are condo projects — think Television City on the CHCH TV site and the Royal Connaught — not all condominiums will tower over the city.

A project on Locke Street that incorporates condos with commercial space is expected to be six storeys when complete.

And another six-storey condominium development at James Street North and Cannon Street West is working its way through the approval process.

Norton attributes part of the condo growth to changed perceptions around condominiums — from the "poor cousin" to a desirable choice.

"I'd say prior to eight or nine years ago, a condo is something that most people in Hamilton thought of as where you went if you didn't have enough money to buy a single-family home," he said.

"Since then, a lot of people have realized that condo living is a whole different lifestyle and can be quite appealing."

George O'Neill, CEO of the Realtors Association of Hamilton-Burlington, thinks buyers' interest in condos likely has something to do with their cost.

The median condo price in Hamilton at the end of October 2017 was $345,000, compared to the median price for freehold properties at $470,000.

"As the market moves up generally, it makes condos continuously more attractive," he said. "I think that's what's playing into this."

Asked if there's a looming tipping point when the local condo market will be oversaturated, O'Neill said he doesn't see that happening any time soon.

He pointed to Hamilton's affordability compared to other cities in the GTA and its access to GO service as key factors.

"As long as the economy stays healthy, interest rates stay reasonable, Toronto remains more expensive than here, which I think is fair to say it will, and the economy in Hamilton continues to grow, which I think all indicators are that it will, I think that speaks to further demand for condos," O'Neill said.
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"Between 2013 and 2016, 1,391 condominium units were built in downtown Hamilton, according to the city's director of economic development, Glen Norton.

Currently, 2,221 units are in progress and another 2,488 units are "under discussion," meaning they are proposals at this stage and nothing has been approved, he said.

Compare that to 2010, when Hamilton reported 10 housing starts of any kind in the downtown that year, Norton said in an interview last month."

Wow 2010 isn't that long ago. What's a good assumption for inhabitants per condo? 1.5 people? Assuming that, that's another 9,150 people downtown total in a few years. That's a pretty big change, considering ward 2 is what around 24,000?
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"Between 2013 and 2016, 1,391 condominium units were built in downtown Hamilton, according to the city's director of economic development, Glen Norton.

Currently, 2,221 units are in progress and another 2,488 units are "under discussion," meaning they are proposals at this stage and nothing has been approved, he said.

Compare that to 2010, when Hamilton reported 10 housing starts of any kind in the downtown that year, Norton said in an interview last month."

Wow 2010 isn't that long ago. What's a good assumption for inhabitants per condo? 1.5 people? Assuming that, that's another 9,150 people downtown total in a few years. That's a pretty big change, considering ward 2 is what around 24,000?

This is a great sign. I've long said that with all our surface lots, we could double the population of downtown no problem.
No reason we can't build a vibrant, dynamite urban core....
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