ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by SteveD

Of course not, and that's not what I said (I can't speak for others). Bank of America Plaza was constructed 25 years ago...an entire generation. All I'm saying is it would be nice to have another tower over 1,000 FT. But, as I said, perhaps it's not in the cards for Atlanta. This is a skyscraper forum, after all.

No, I get what you and others saying. Don't get me wrong.

But sometimes, you just have to appreciate what you got. It can be much worse.

[SteveD]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

No, I get what you and others saying. Don't get me wrong.

But sometimes, you just have to appreciate what you got. It can be much worse.

I agree. I've continually been impressed with our current development cycle. Much to appreciate.

[daharris80]

A couple of quick thoughts on the Gulch site plan.

Pros:
- The pedestrian way semi-circle that connects Centennial to MBS and the Georgia International Plaza Park.
- Lot sizes and the creation of a grid. Because this is the intersection of three railroads (that ran at different angles), and historically this created three different grid directions, this is a very difficult area to integrate the street system.
- the massing of the buildings, increase in height as you get to the city core.
- it leaves open the possibility of MMPT.

Cons:
- Private roads.
- A few opportunities to line up the street grid were missed. (Fairlie St. at NE corner, Alabama St. at SE corner, and Andrew Young Int. at NW corner)

Unknowns:
- How will these private roads be controlled and used? [Will this be another Buckhead]
- What is the 3D integration between ground level and street level? [Will this be another Atlantic Station]

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

It depends on the floor plate. Which we don't have here. The footprint of the building is plenty large to put the ~50 hotel rooms per floor to make 1,500 rooms in ~30 floors work.

I'm also disappointed about heights. All these 20-30 floor buildings Atlanta has gotten make the city look much more like a real city. But it's time for a damn trophy.

We don't know the floor plate dimensions, but using this tool I estimated the lot (Parcel I) is approximately 1.21 acres. Which is rather tight for a 1500 room hotel.

[jayden]

Atlanta needs continued infill. The midrises that have sprout up between Midtown and BOA have made a world of difference in the skyline. Atlanta has more buildings over 700 ft than the majority of any other city in the country outside NYC and Chicago. We'll certainly get a new tallest one day, but right now that shouldn't be the priority.

[MdtwnATL]

Originally Posted by daharris80

Unknowns:
- How will these private roads be controlled and used? [Will this be another Buckhead]
- What is the 3D integration between ground level and street level? [Will this be another Atlantic Station]

UGGGH GOD I hope not. This needs to be an expansion of Downtown - not a fake-looking attraction like Atlantic Station.

[jsvh]

The best downtowns are not and should not be all sky scrapers. Midrises mixed in are important too. Especially on the edges like the gulch development has planned.

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by daharris80

A couple of quick thoughts on the Gulch site plan.

Cons:
- Private roads.
- A few opportunities to line up the street grid were missed. (Fairlie St. at NE corner, Alabama St. at SE corner, and Andrew Young Int. at NW corner)

Unknowns:
- How will these private roads be controlled and used? [Will this be another Buckhead]
- What is the 3D integration between ground level and street level? [Will this be another Atlantic Station]

The City of Atlanta regulations do not allow for new public streets unless it's a single-family subdivision or a city-sponsored project. This is a MAJOR flaw in the code, as currently written. Look at Chapter 15 of the Code of Ordinances and you will see that it only applies to single-family subdvisions.

Theoretically, if the City built the streets, they could be public, but the City has traditionally had zero interest in maintaining the streets.

Sad but true.

[skyscraperpage17]

This doesn't include the potential Turner Field development, of course.

How a series of projects are transforming South Downtown

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2017/12/08/transforming-south-downtown-slideshow.html

The area, with roots dating back to the commercial beginnings of the city, has more than $1.5 billion worth of new projects in the works, including:

*The proposed $400 million development of “The Gulch,” a collection of railroad lines and vacant parking lots that once formed an important railway hub for the Southeast.

*Newport U.S. RE’s sweeping plans for several dozen buildings and parking lots along Peachtree, Mitchell and Broad streets.

*The $300 redevelopment of Underground Atlanta at Alabama and Pryor streets, which for decades has struggled for viability.

*A nearly $193 million renovation to Philips Arena, home of the Atlanta Hawks, which would be complemented by the new entertainment district just outside its doors in the Gulch.

[robertjhajek]

Sorry for gigantic post, but here's the gulch map overlaid on Google Maps, enjoy!

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Terminus

The City of Atlanta regulations do not allow for new public streets unless it's a single-family subdivision or a city-sponsored project. This is a MAJOR flaw in the code, as currently written. Look at Chapter 15 of the Code of Ordinances and you will see that it only applies to single-family subdvisions.

Theoretically, if the City built the streets, they could be public, but the City has traditionally had zero interest in maintaining the streets.

Sad but true.

Not quite sure what point you're trying to make; are you saying commercial developers are having a hard time creating new public streets through their projects? Usually, it's been the developer's interest to control the streets for numerous reasons. Now whether this has merit or not is still up for debate as some developers have had more questionable tactics for privatizing currently public streets.

Regarding the Gulch redevelopment the city's always been a party to the redevelopment efforts; whether in today's iteration as well as the MMPT iterations they've been supportive of the new grid being created since it's always been a public-private effort to make something happen down there.

[Libertarian]

Any info when the 15th Street extension is due to start?

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Any info when the 15th Street extension is due to start?

According to GDOT it looks like 2020 at the earliest before it's finished. They just bid for engineering services in July of this year so hopefully it's already under environmental review (the longest phase of these types of projects).





http://www.dot.ga.gov/applications/geopi/Pages/Dashboard.aspx?ProjectID=0015019

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

Not quite sure what point you're trying to make; are you saying commercial developers are having a hard time creating new public streets through their projects? Usually, it's been the developer's interest to control the streets for numerous reasons. Now whether this has merit or not is still up for debate as some developers have had more questionable tactics for privatizing currently public streets.

Regarding the Gulch redevelopment the city's always been a party to the redevelopment efforts; whether in today's iteration as well as the MMPT iterations they've been supportive of the new grid being created since it's always been a public-private effort to make something happen down there.

I’m just saying that they could not make the streets punlock, even if they wanted to. I have been through this with many clients and, unless the city is actually directly paying for and building the streets (which would not be the case in this project) they have to be private under city code. It is an idiotic rule that should be changed.

[Atlanta3000]

AGENDA
Atlanta BeltLine Design Review Committee

Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 5:00 PM
100 Peachtree Street, Equitable Building, 23rd Floor, Peachtree Conference Room
For specific directions visit http://beltline.org/contact/

**NOTE: Published agenda times are provided for planning purposes only and are mere approximations.**

5:00PM Welcome/DRC Meeting Overview

5:05pm OLD Business: 1300 Mayson Turner Road, NW – DWELL DESIGN STUDIO
The property is zoned RG-3. The proposed development includes 47 new affordable family apartment units, of which 24 are two bedroom units and 23 are three bedrooms units, in two 3-story structures. There will be an administrative and common space amenity space and 43 parking spaces on this 1.6 acre site.
Applicant(s): Meredith Bowen [email protected] Jay Silverman [email protected]

5:25PM NEW BUSINESS: 525 Park Drive – METRO ATLANTA PERMITS
The property is zoned R-4. The project involves the construction of a three story- single family home on a 11,043SF site.
Applicant(s): Susan Johnson - [email protected] Julie Sellers - [email protected]

5:45 PM NEW BUSINESS: 790 West Marietta Street GOODE VAN SLYKE ARCHITECTURE
The property is zoned C-3-C. The property involves the construction of a multi-family residential development with approximately 225 housing units with 410 parking spaces, and 8,110SF of non-residential uses with 67 non-residential parking spaces on a 1.76 acre site.
Applicant(s): Steven Denton - [email protected]

6:05PM NEW BUSINESS: 1192 Foster Street –FREE SPACE ARCHITECTURE
The property is zoned O-I. The project involves the new construction of a 37,000SF high school building, and an 11,070SF cafeteria on the existing campus of the Howard School Campus, along with 71 new surface parking spaces. The total site is 17 acres.
Applicant(s): Brian Dempsey - [email protected]
6:25PM NEWBUSINESS: 525ParkwayDrive&522Boulevard–PIMSLERHOSSARCHITECTS
The property is zoned RG-4. The project involves the new construction of a multi-family residential development with 96 units with 71 parking spaces on a 0.685 acre site.
Applicant(s): Randy Pimsler - [email protected]

6:45PM NEW BUSINESS: 1218 and 1236 Menlo Drive – KRONGBERGWALL
The property is zoned I-2. The project involves the renovation of two existing one-story warehouse buildings into a mix of use. The buildings have a combined square footage of 77,530.
Applicant(s): Elizabeth Ward - [email protected]

7:05PM NEW BUSINESS: 788 Bonaventure Avenue – BH DESIGN
The property is zoned RG-2. The new proposed structure is a two story, 10 unit housing development with 12 surface parking spaces on a 0.367 acre site.
Applicant(s): Bonnie Henry - [email protected]

[Street Advocate]

I’m curious about 788 bonaventure. Also curious if the surface parking is necessary with the street parking avialble in the neighborhood.

To note- the GA power O4W redevelopment proposal is being unveiled on the 14th at the fourth ward alliance meeting.

[Atlanta3000]

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To note- the GA power O4W redevelopment proposal is being unveiled on the 14th at the fourth ward alliance meeting.[/QUOTE]

This is going to be a biggy. If I was not going to be in NYC, I would be there.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

This is going to be a biggy. If I was not going to be in NYC, I would be there.

Hopefully anyone going to that meeting takes some photos for the forum. I can't make it either.

[ATLmangum]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

This is going to be a biggy. If I was not going to be in NYC, I would be there.

Another 6 story apartment probably.

[West Peachtree]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Any info when the 15th Street extension is due to start?

Anyone seen the agenda for the Midtown DRC meeting for this Tuesday, Dec 12th?

Given the snow Friday, perhaps that's why Midtown Alliance didn't post it on
their home page. I wish they'd post a couple days in advance even with "subject to change" with same day final update.

Thanks, good people of Atlanta