Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

Says the person that’s never been to these places.

I love the confidence with which you've said this. How very well timed of you, too. I spent my thanksgiving climbing in a remote campground on US-91 (i want to say it was 91? i don't remember) near hanksville but I also drove down to bears ears on the Saturday following turkey day in anticipation of it's impending destruction. I am a lifelong outdoors enthusiast and Utah native. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, bitch. I don't even know why you would try to make such a bizzarre and baseless accusation.

[Jiffy]

Jubguy3, though some things others say may be false, the way you present yourself and argue sometimes sound immature.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I love the confidence with which you've said this. How very well timed of you, too. I spent my thanksgiving climbing in a remote campground on US-91 (i want to say it was 91? i don't remember) near hanksville but I also drove down to bears ears on the Saturday following turkey day in anticipation of it's impending destruction. I am a lifelong outdoors enthusiast and Utah native. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, bitch. I don't even know why you would try to make such a bizzarre and baseless accusation.

After your check yourself comment, I completely believe you are a Utah native.

[Wasatch Wasteland]

I think anyone who has a half baked opinion on the matter should actually visit these places. I grew up in the area, and Grand Staircase is still one of my favorite stomping grounds. I fundamentally believe that most people’s opinons would be changed, or at least swayed, if they took the time to experience the place. Unfortunately 99% of the people in this country who have an opinion on the matter have never even been.

Grand Staircase really got the shaft in my opinion. A lot of the most beautiful parts got axed, but places that have no aesthetic, geological, or archealogical significance are still protected. Same with Bears Ears.

The proposed “Escalante Canyons” national monument would be a great candidate for National Park Status in my opinion.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Wasatch Wasteland

I think anyone who has a half baked opinion on the matter should actually visit these places. I grew up in the area, and Grand Staircase is still one of my favorite stomping grounds. I fundamentally believe that most people’s opinons would be changed, or at least swayed, if they took the time to experience the place. Unfortunately 99% of the people in this country who have an opinion on the matter have never even been.

Grand Staircase really got the shaft in my opinion. A lot of the most beautiful parts got axed, but places that have no aesthetic, geological, or archealogical significance are still protected. Same with Bears Ears.

The proposed “Escalante Canyons” national monument would be a great candidate for National Park Status in my opinion.

This is why I was offended by the previous accusations made that I for some reason "haven't been there". I have spent countless weeks camping in GSE and Bears Ears both before and after their designations as national monuments. These protected areas are some of the most beautiful in what I consider to be the most naturally stunning area of North America. And they are currently well-protected, pristine, and peaceful. We should take pride in where we live and not make the mistakes of past generations. We are stuck dealing with mining tailings in countless areas across the West. Why are we going to create more? Why are we going to do the exact same thing we've been doing to our public lands for decades? I don't want this to be one of the environmental mistakes that Trump and his sycophants are remembered for so gladly pulling off.

I'm going to point out another aspect many people seem to conveniently forget... Bears Ears is sacred to Native tribes of Southeastern Utah. They have lived here for 12,000 years. We are simply foreign visitors to what is rightly Native land, and these decisions should not be ours to make. Shrinking Bears Ears is an attack on Native American culture and values, and supporting the shrinking is in essence the same thing. This is coming from the same president who called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" while standing in front of a portrait of Andrew Jackson.

What a joke. These lands should be completely free from human activity beyond native tribes who already use it. Yet we are continuing to build roads, build infrastructure, and now apparently get access to coal seams in the middle of GSE National Monument.

Where else on Earth can you see landscapes like this? This archaeology is unique to Utah, and it is uniquely Utahn. Millions of people come here to see this stuff. Tourism is infinitely less harmful and more profitable than coal and other general mining, but Trump has friends in Big Coal that fund these escapades of archeological destruction.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

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[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

I wrote some things that had to much emotion in it and needed to delete them. But I will say I would only trust about 100 people’s opinion on Bears Ears and Grand Stairecase and I’m pretty sure none of them are on this board.

On preserving this Bears Ears: it will be preserved just at a smaller rate. Cedar Mesa is not part of Bears Ears.

On the federal government actually taking care of these lands ... Dumb and Dumberer was funnier then that sentence.

Grand staircase does surprise me at what they will be doing.

But in all honesty we might end up with one or more new national parks out of this. I also know from people that know that the whole Native American argument is bull and some one might want to check a few bank accounts. I will never tell you how I know that because the persons job would be at stake.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

spent my thanksgiving climbing in a remote campground on US-91 (i want to say it was 91? i don't remember) near hanksville

Know the area better that’s state hwy 95, Built in the 90s. US 91 goes to Preston Idaho. US 191 doesn’t go into that place but gets you close.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

but I also drove down to bears ears on the Saturday following turkey day in anticipation of it's impending destruction.

Embellishment and not true.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I am a lifelong outdoors enthusiast and Utah native. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, bitch. I don't even know why you would try to make such a bizzarre and baseless accusation.

So your lifestyle is better then the people that live Down there?

Ill make a statement like that because visiting the place or lack of visiting ( barely) does not constitute you to know anything about the area. Name the mineral or minerals that you can harvest there?

I never take a stance on grand staircase do to the fact I’ve only been there twice. But I sure know I’ve been to San Juan county infinitely more then you will ever be.

At least you’ve been down there, I’ll give you that.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

I wrote some things that had to much emotion in it and needed to delete them. But I will say I would only trust about 100 people’s opinion on Bears Ears and Grand Stairecase and I’m pretty sure none of them are on this board.

On preserving this Bears Ears: it will be preserved just at a smaller rate. Cedar Mesa is not part of Bears Ears.

On the federal government actually taking care of these lands ... Dumb and Dumberer was funnier then that sentence.

Grand staircase does surprise me at what they will be doing.

But in all honesty we might end up with one or more new national parks out of this. I also know from people that know that the whole Native American argument is bull and some one might want to check a few bank accounts. I will never tell you how I know that because the persons job would be at stake.

National Parks have NOTHING to do with this. Its not an "upgrade" or anything. As it stands, the NPS is overwhelmed having ITS budget slashed by Tiny Hands and his henchman Zinke. Nobody is focusing on increasing tourism and the NM status works perfectly fine as it is.

These lands are now open to ATV and 4x4's. I'm sure everybody will appreciate loud hicks trashing the sandstone and covering everything with rubbermarks. DISGUSTING.

Are you implying that Dine Bikeyah has some sort of ulterior motive or hidden funding? Laughable. Thank you for the nebulous statements that suggest that something fishy is going on but "oh I can't tell you because they will get fired". I don't believe it for a second. What are they going to do? Is soros going to set up a lair in Bears Ears but he can't do that because the feds are onto him now?

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

Know the area better that’s state hwy 95, Built in the 90s. US 91 goes to Preston Idaho. US 191 doesn’t go into that place but gets you close.



Embellishment and not true.



So your lifestyle is better then the people that live Down there?

Ill make a statement like that because visiting the place or lack of visiting ( barely) does not constitute you to know anything about the area. Name the mineral or minerals that you can harvest there?

I never take a stance on grand staircase do to the fact I’ve only been there twice. But I sure know I’ve been to San Juan county infinitely more then you will ever be.

At least you’ve been down there, I’ll give you that.

I'm still confused as to why you're accusing me of not going down there. What could you possibly gain out of that? Why are you making so many unprovable accusations? Do you want me to make a similar accusation? You don't live in Utah. You're an outsider. Prove to me that you do! Ha!

If you want more proof that federal protections should be expanded for a later date when we have a functioning administration to help preserve our landscape:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...onal-monuments

Not surprisingly, Obama’s order was a compromise. There’s a large region, called Red Canyon, that was dropped from the final monument boundary—it, too, contains a trove of Triassic fossils, Gay says. But mining companies are interested in its uranium deposits, and pushed successfully to exclude the canyon in the monument. Red Canyon has an existing mine, the Daneros Uranium Mine, which produces a concentrated form of uranium (known as yellow cake) to make fuel rods for power plants. The national monument designation would prohibit new mining operations, and the mine’s owner, Energy Fuels, is seeking to expand the mine from its current 2 hectares to about 19 hectares.

This is a highly informative map linked from reddit that shows the current and future boundaries of these monuments, and the oil, coal, and uranium interests in these areas. I would suggest that everyone looks at this, it helped me get a spatial sense of what the new monuments will look like including the obvious erasures placed over areas with known coal seams.

There are also resources beyond mineral and oil resources. These areas, especially Bears Ears, are home to thousands of undisturbed Native American artifacts that were at the behest of looting before the national monument designation in 2016. No doubt that hicks will come back to steal what little we have left of Native American culture now that Trump is enabling the destruction of public lands as a middle finger to the Clinton and Obama administrations that enacted these monuments.

[bob rulz]

It's absolutely laughable to suggest that the people who are interested in preserving it somehow are being funneled more questionable money than those who want to develop it.

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

I'm still confused as to why you're accusing me of not going down there. What could you possibly gain out of that? Why are you making so many unprovable accusations? Do you want me to make a similar accusation? You don't live in Utah. You're an outsider. Prove to me that you do! Ha!

If you want more proof that federal protections should be expanded for a later date when we have a functioning administration to help preserve our landscape:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...onal-monuments




This is a highly informative map linked from reddit that shows the current and future boundaries of these monuments, and the oil, coal, and uranium interests in these areas. I would suggest that everyone looks at this, it helped me get a spatial sense of what the new monuments will look like including the obvious erasures placed over areas with known coal seams.

There are also resources beyond mineral and oil resources. These areas, especially Bears Ears, are home to thousands of undisturbed Native American artifacts that were at the behest of looting before the national monument designation in 2016. No doubt that hicks will come back to steal what little we have left of Native American culture now that Trump is enabling the destruction of public lands as a middle finger to the Clinton and Obama administrations that enacted these monuments.

That’s right uranium is the only mineral worth harvesting from the area. Guess why they had to open up that mine again? Uranium One deal. Go Obama on saving our lands. Thanks for calling 22,000 people hicks though. Better then a slicker. You carry the same ignorance as anyone that does not live there, you look down on them and think little of their lives and knowledge.

I can’t think of anything more damaging to the area then making outsiders know about it.

But then again we are back to home plate. I suck and you suck so we will never really solve anything in the end.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Wasatch Wasteland

I think anyone who has a half baked opinion on the matter should actually visit these places. I grew up in the area, and Grand Staircase is still one of my favorite stomping grounds. I fundamentally believe that most people’s opinons would be changed, or at least swayed, if they took the time to experience the place. Unfortunately 99% of the people in this country who have an opinion on the matter have never even been.

Grand Staircase really got the shaft in my opinion. A lot of the most beautiful parts got axed, but places that have no aesthetic, geological, or archealogical significance are still protected. Same with Bears Ears.

The proposed “Escalante Canyons” national monument would be a great candidate for National Park Status in my opinion.

There is no more efficient way to destroy a landscape than to designate it a "National Parking Area". No national parks here. Please.

[airhero]

Does anyone know what's going on with the Life on State project? We were supposed to have the "action plan" by now, but we've been stuck on step 4 for a while now:


https://www.lifeonstate.com/the-process-timeline/

Any info on when we can expect some kind of plan to be presented?

[Marvland]

My mere utterance begets a National Parking Area!

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46211347&ni...case-escalante

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by AllOutOfBubbleGum

That’s right uranium is the only mineral worth harvesting from the area. Guess why they had to open up that mine again? Uranium One deal. Go Obama on saving our lands. Thanks for calling 22,000 people hicks though. Better then a slicker. You carry the same ignorance as anyone that does not live there, you look down on them and think little of their lives and knowledge.

I can’t think of anything more damaging to the area then making outsiders know about it.

But then again we are back to home plate. I suck and you suck so we will never really solve anything in the end.

'da fuck? Daneros was opened up by WC for all of 2 years because uranium was at $120/lb in 2007 before divebombing in 2009 and then plunging into the fifth circle of hell post Fukushima. It was monthballed and might open again in the mid-2020's should the price of uranium triple from the low-$20's following a decade and a half of a saturated supply side market. Uranium One had nothing to do with it.

I'm sure some of the local Shumway's (doesn't that family compose something like 6,000 of those 22,00 people down there )would love for it to reopen sooner and get some contract work on the mine, because raking in $60M after Denison overpaid for the project wasn't enough money, but it ain't happening.

[Wasatch Wasteland]

Alrighty y’all, pics or the trip didn’t happen

[Wasatch Wasteland]

Originally Posted by Marvland

There is no more efficient way to destroy a landscape than to designate it a "National Parking Area". No national parks here. Please.

Still, much less likely to be stripped of protection if given that status.

[msbutah]

Photo from Reddit of the city yesterday.

[jubguy3]

My phone got stolen 3 weeks ago so I took pictures with other's peoples phones and still haven't gotten them back from them. And I'm really picky about the quality of my photos and ended up with a 4 year old android burner phone for the time being. But I did take a picture on the way back, you can check the EXIF data if you have an EXIF data tool. It should show that it was taken on Nov. 26th, somewhere after Hanksville on the way back to SLC, I want to say between Hanksville and the I-70 junction.

Here is the link.

I don't even know if I'm answering what you asked Wasatch Wasteland. I can't tell who you were talking to lol