Confederation Line (Stage 1) | In Service 1.0

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Interesting, yet nationally the number of people taking transit (and cycling) to work has increased over the past two decades and the number of people driving has decreased.

Census 2016: Spike in number of Canadians cycling, taking public transit to work

I don't like it when they group cyclists and pedestrians together. Those are two completely different modes of transport with completely different interests. It is obviously being done to inflate cycling numbers.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I don't like it when they group cyclists and pedestrians together. Those are two completely different modes of transport with completely different interests. It is obviously being done to inflate cycling numbers.

Quite the opposite, grouping the two together hides the fact that %walking is falling as a modal share. If you look at the % total growth from 1996-2016, walking has increased the least (+3.2%) while cycling has increased the most (+61.6%) of all modes.

*Edit - I do agree that grouping the two modes doesn't really make a ton of sense.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Quite the opposite, grouping the two together hides the fact that %walking is falling as a modal share. If you look at the % total growth from 1996-2016, walking has increased the least (+3.2%) while cycling has increased the most (+61.6%) of all modes.

It is easier to get a higher growth rate when starting from a smaller number.

In 2011 when they were separated walking had a 7.1% share and cycling had a 2.4% share.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Interesting, yet nationally the number of people taking transit (and cycling) to work has increased over the past two decades and the number of people driving has decreased.

Census 2016: Spike in number of Canadians cycling, taking public transit to work

What's interesting is that the percentage of people driving has barely dropped over the past 20 years. A big chunk of the gains in transit and cycling have been canceled out by the drop in walking.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

What's interesting is that the percentage of people driving has barely dropped over the past 20 years. A big chunk of the gains in transit and cycling have been canceled out by the drop in walking.

The shift from walking to cycling makes sense. Cycling is faster and other than the up front cost of buying the bike, the cost and effort level is similar.

The shift from walking to transit doesn't make as much sense, unless fewer people (as a percentage) live within walking distance of work, so they have to take the bus instead. Either that or something has changed to make what was walk-able, no longer is (be it age, fitness levels, or infrastructure).

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The shift from walking to cycling makes sense. Cycling is faster and other than the up front cost of buying the bike, the cost and effort level is similar.

The shift from walking to transit doesn't make as much sense, unless fewer people (as a percentage) live within walking distance of work, so they have to take the bus instead. Either that or something has changed to make what was walk-able, no longer is (be it age, fitness levels, or infrastructure).

I would guess that part of the drop in walking is a consequence of higher sprawl. 20 years ago the share of the population that lives in close-in urban neighbourhoods (the only areas where walking mode share would be expected to be high) would probably be higher.

The highest walking mode share is actually found in smaller cities. Cities like Victoria, Kingston, Guelph, Sherbrooke, etc. dominate that list. This makes sense; cities that are geographically small will naturally have a higher percentage of people living in short proximity to employment centres.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day...

One for the record to take note of.....
Maclean's on one public art(ist) and his work elsewhere

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-artis...sco-has-a-200000-piece-coming-to-ottawa/

Like... !WOW! ...this is our money ? going going gone....for ?what?

The City of Ottawa has a terrible track record with art commissions. They have this 1% rule but accept pretty much any piece of 🞵🞵🞵🞵. I doubt they make any sort of vetting or research before signing the cheque (as displayed with this fiasco and the Jack Purcell Park tennis rackets honouring the wrong Jack Purcell). They're just meeting a quota, not providing meaningful art displays.

Now what they are doing with traffic light boxes around the city, that is worth the investment.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/history-kiosk-lansdowne-park-ottawa-1.4121820

[J.OT13]

Lots of progress along the line. Glass has gone up around the vertical circulation cuboid at the east end of the station. Cladding is going up on the outer walls of uOttawa (black panels as opposed to limestone looking finishes of the original renderings) and plaza in front of the PdV Podium subway entrance is largely complete.

Sorry, no pics. I need to open myself a Flckr account.

[Allandale25]

Sorry to ask but can someone remind me what the Provincial and Federal governments committed in terms of capital dollars to Phase 1 and Phase 2 ($ and % of budget). Was it 33% for both phases?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Sorry to ask but can someone remind me what the Provincial and Federal governments committed in terms of capital dollars to Phase 1 and Phase 2 ($ and % of budget). Was it 33% for both phases?

Phase 1 was 600M each (about 30%).

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Sorry to ask but can someone remind me what the Provincial and Federal governments committed in terms of capital dollars to Phase 1 and Phase 2 ($ and % of budget). Was it 33% for both phases?

Phase 1 is $600M federal, $600M provincial, and $900M city. So around 29% each for senior governments.

With Phase 2, it's a one-third, one-third, one-third split for most of the project. However, the section of the Orleans line between Place D'Orleans and Trim, and the Airport branch of the Trillium Line, are split half-half between the feds and the province with no city contribution.

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Phase 1 was 600M each (about 30%).

Thanks! For some reason I thought it was closer to 33/33/33

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Phase 1 is $600M federal, $600M provincial, and $900M city. So around 29% each for senior governments.

With Phase 2, it's a one-third, one-third, one-third split for most of the project. However, the section of the Orleans line between Place D'Orleans and Trim, and the Airport branch of the Trillium Line, are split half-half between the feds and the province with no city contribution.

Thank you!

[Allandale25]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Phase 1 is $600M federal, $600M provincial, and $900M city. So around 29% each for senior governments.

With Phase 2, it's a one-third, one-third, one-third split for most of the project. However, the section of the Orleans line between Place D'Orleans and Trim, and the Airport branch of the Trillium Line, are split half-half between the feds and the province with no city contribution.

Sorry, one more question as an out of towner. Approximately how long in KMs is that stretch where it's 100% prov/fed funding?

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Sorry, one more question as an out of towner. Approximately how long in KMs is that stretch where it's 100% prov/fed funding?

About 6 kilometres of track combined between the two segments, and 3 stations.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Allandale25

Sorry, one more question as an out of towner. Approximately how long in KMs is that stretch where it's 100% prov/fed funding?

I haven't seen exact numbers. Place D'orleans to Trim Road is about 3.2 km and the airport is about 2 km from the existing rail line (although it will not take a direct route, so will be longer).

[PHrenetic]

Good Day...

Some background, merely speculative on the part of many, but generally accepted, is that when Jimmy was in provincial circles and trying to hamstring the rail, he was one of those who neglected to mention inflation and 'other' costs in arranging financing for the C-Line, given the state of design at the point of asking for funding. When the funding was announced, it was therefore at the 1/3,1/3,1/3 of $1.8 Billion, therefore $600 Million each. Then the finer costing/design came in at $2.1 billion, and the city was stuck with finding the extra $300 Million. QED, he thought that would kill it. Then he dropped from the prov to the municipal, and was stuck with both of - the funding as is, and - the commitment of Ottawans to get it done - or pay a heavy political price. So.... all of a turnabout, he became a rail fan, and - had to - get it done. Hence one reason for the new, more efficient, easier, - cheaper -, Queen St. tunnel route to keep the costs within the $2.1 Billion.... or die.
Subsequently, in developing Phase 2, he and the rail office learned the hard lesson about costing and financing from Prov and Fed, and played both ends of the numbers to get it right. And, in a move to make up for his earlier folly, he behind-the-curtain convinced both Prov and Fed to 'make up' for the Phase 1 shortfall, and basically have the Prov fund the Trim (174 - provincial highway) extension, and the Feds the Airport (Federal) extension, each at (close enough to, +/-) $155 Million. Also recall that the MCIAA is funding the Airport station.
Such are the machinations and manoueverings of politics and arm-twisting that will never have me running for mayor despite my opinion of the current incumbent. I just can't see myself doing those yoga moves. <blech>

[Allandale25]

^ Thanks!

[lrt's friend]

There was also the punishment aspect for cancelling the North-South route, which was to serve Premier Dalton Maguinty's riding. We should not kid ourselves to not believe this was a factor in why the province underfunded Phase 1.

[Kitchissippi]

I was riding my bike past Cyrville late this afternoon and noticed the light strips turned on in the west side headhouse. Is this going to be a feature on other stations?



lights off at the east headhouse: